D-1 Region 4

ElDuderino said:
Relative to Oak Hills, Mason has a much better football program, capable of doing things that other teams respect, like beating a 1 seed and reaching the 3rd week of the playoffs. I've already acknowledged they are having a down year for them, that didn't stop them from beating Oak Hills by multiple scores. People respect Mason's football program, even if they aren't regional final contenders.

Ask anyone else, they'll tell you the same thing.

We all understand the mental gymnastics and revisionist history you are going thru to continue your ridiculous lines of discussion about Elder, which include outright lies about what you previously posted mixed with some laughably ignorant opinions. Literally no one has entered this thread to tell us the same thing, and in fact, several other people have said the opposite and told you what an incredibly weak and tired troll attempt this is.
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Amen
 
NEOfan said:
Normal daily diversions are playing video games, golfing, going to the bar for a drink, going on walks with your significant other, etc.....what you do on here is not normal for any adult lmao
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Thanks, I'll take that as a compliment. Most adults suck.
 
ElDuderino said:
Relative to Oak Hills, Mason has a much better football program, capable of doing things that other teams respect, like beating a 1 seed and reaching the 3rd week of the playoffs. I've already acknowledged they are having a down year for them, that didn't stop them from beating Oak Hills by multiple scores. People respect Mason's football program, even if they aren't regional final contenders.

Ask anyone else, they'll tell you the same thing.

We all understand the mental gymnastics and revisionist history you are going thru to continue your ridiculous lines of discussion about Elder, which include outright lies about what you previously posted mixed with some laughably ignorant opinions. Literally no one has entered this thread to tell us the same thing, and in fact, several other people have said the opposite and told you what an incredibly weak and tired troll attempt this is.
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Are you a little slow?

Talk about mental gymnastics. I said "OH and Mason are in the same tier", and I spelled that out as teams that don't have a shot to win the region. Whether that's the 10th team in the region or the 15th, who cares, they're irrelevant, then and now. Facts!

I beat my older brother in basketball once too, big deal. You're really riding that once a decade upset Mason pulls off, aren't you. Trust me, no one paid attention when you beat Lebanon and Milford (lol) last year. Talk about a sand-bagging "run" in the playoffs. We all saw what we knew would happen when you played a real team (Moe). Stop acting like that was something special, because that's a complete joke.

And yes, the kids that end up at Elder are no different than the kids that end up at Oak Hills. Neither school is pulling in these elite athletes from across the city. Elder has all the resources, great facilities, great coaches, and a decent feeder league that prepares them for success. They do all of that better than Oak Hills and it's obvious they've built a significantly better football program. But it's not from some elite talent pool. Facts!

You can say obvious information is made up, whatever, I don't care, I speak the truth, and always have. But you're also the guys that no one agrees with in every single thread you post in. Again, self awareness is not your strong suit...

There's literally nothing here to disagree with, yet here we are....again...
 
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ElDuderino said:
Ask anyone else, they'll tell you the same thing.
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I've lived in Cincinnati for over 20 years. I have been to a very diverse collection of sporting events, and continue to do so. People LOVE their sports in this town, and I have NEVER talked to ANYONE that mentioned Mason football in any capacity. Not once.

They are not a threat.
 
Doublehelix said:
I've lived in Cincinnati for over 20 years. I have been to a very diverse collection of sporting events, and continue to do so. People LOVE their sports in this town, and I have NEVER talked to ANYONE that mentioned Mason football in any capacity. Not once.

They are not a threat.
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You must live on the West side
 
Termite2 said:
You must live on the West side
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I do, but I go to a ton of games locally. I'm not saying they're bad, they're just an afterthought when it comes to football.

Decent program, but not a threat to the big boys. You could argue they under-achieve, honestly.
 
By far the game of the week is Moeller at St. Xavier. This game could determine #1 seed for the playoffs.

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Preview: #1 Moeller at #4 St. Xavier

The GCL South begins play and it starts with a great one as top-ranked Moeller travels to #4 St. Xavier in the Blitz 5 Game of the Week. Big Moe has won four straight in the series. The home team B…
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ElderHSfan02 said:
By far the game of the week is Moeller at St. Xavier. This game could determine #1 seed for the playoffs.

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Preview: #1 Moeller at #4 St. Xavier

The GCL South begins play and it starts with a great one as top-ranked Moeller travels to #4 St. Xavier in the Blitz 5 Game of the Week. Big Moe has won four straight in the series. The home team B…
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Assuming WW beats Anderson, which is far from a given and a very interesting game, the only teams capable of potentially catching WW for the 1 seed would be Moeller or Elder, each of them not only needing to win out, but there would be a dependency on number of wins from their victims as well.

If WW loses that game, then it will definitely be one of the 3 GCL teams, because of how stupid the Harbin computer is, the GMC crushes itself with potential scores by having a 10-team league and not being able to schedule OOC teams who may end up having more wins than the avg 5-5/4-6 GMC team.

EDIT - To be fair, if Moe, StX, and Elder all lost 2 more games from here, then a GMC team might get it.
 
ElDuderino said:
Assuming WW beats Anderson, which is far from a given and a very interesting game, the only teams capable of potentially catching WW for the 1 seed would be Moeller or Elder, each of them not only needing to win out, but there would be a dependency on number of wins from their victims as well.

If WW loses that game, then it will definitely be one of the 3 GCL teams, because of how stupid the Harbin computer is, the GMC crushes itself with potential scores by having a 10-team league and not being able to schedule OOC teams who may end up having more wins than the avg 5-5/4-6 GMC team.

EDIT - To be fair, if Moe, StX, and Elder all lost 2 more games from here, then a GMC team might get it.
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GMC is not bound to playing all 9 other schools, they could change that easily- it’s their own conference to decide what to do
 
Woodward/North College Hill was ended at halftime after a Woodward player was shot outside the stadium. This was a game that had big implications for the R4 16 seed, and now it's probably not going to even get played. Unreal.
 
mrorcadood said:
Woodward/North College Hill was ended at halftime after a Woodward player was shot outside the stadium. This was a game that had big implications for the R4 16 seed, and now it's probably not going to even get played. Unreal.
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Is that the second North College Hill game this year affected by shots fired?
 
ElDuderino said:
Relative to Oak Hills, Mason has a much better football program, capable of doing things that other teams respect, like beating a 1 seed and reaching the 3rd week of the playoffs. I've already acknowledged they are having a down year for them, that didn't stop them from beating Oak Hills by multiple scores. People respect Mason's football program, even if they aren't regional final contenders.
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Mason Football program is the biggest underachieving program in the State of Ohio. Quite frankly the program hasn't accomplished a dam thing or beaten anyone worth a dam in the playoffs. We all know the seedings at times are not truly reflective of who is actually the 1 seed or 8 seed. I live in Mason and with the facilities they have there is no reason the program shouldn't be one of the tops in SWOH. It all comes down to coaching and the Mason Head Coach is a joke. Quite frankly he couldn't coach his way out of a wet paper bag. And don't tell me Mason loses too many players to Moeller and StX. I got news for you, so does Lakota West, Kings, Winton Woods, Anderson, Loveland, etc. Mason won't win the GMC or make any significant playoff run until they hire a Head Coach that knows how to build and run a successful high school program.
 
Doublehelix said:
I've lived in Cincinnati for over 20 years. I have been to a very diverse collection of sporting events, and continue to do so. People LOVE their sports in this town, and I have NEVER talked to ANYONE that mentioned Mason football in any capacity. Not once.

They are not a threat.
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I once remember someone telling Mason's 8th grade Green Team was loaded and would carry the torch for high school. Well, that never happened.
 
mrorcadood said:
Woodward/North College Hill was ended at halftime after a Woodward player was shot outside the stadium. This was a game that had big implications for the R4 16 seed, and now it's probably not going to even get played. Unreal.
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OHSSA needs to step in and end North College Hill season. Nobody wants to play them at home or away. You have to drop the hammer and make an example of them.
 
boothmark77 said:
Is that the second North College Hill game this year affected by shots fired?
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Three games really. CCD game was stopped in the 3rd quarter because of shots fired nearby. MVCA canceled their game at NCH the next week. Now this. Read last night the NCH AD said no more games at the stadium this year.
 
FourthAndOne said:
Mason Football program is the biggest underachieving program in the State of Ohio. Quite frankly the program hasn't accomplished a dam thing or beaten anyone worth a dam in the playoffs. We all know the seedings at times are not truly reflective of who is actually the 1 seed or 8 seed. I live in Mason and with the facilities they have there is no reason the program shouldn't be one of the tops in SWOH. It all comes down to coaching and the Mason Head Coach is a joke. Quite frankly he couldn't coach his way out of a wet paper bag. And don't tell me Mason loses too many players to Moeller and StX. I got news for you, so does Lakota West, Kings, Winton Woods, Anderson, Loveland, etc. Mason won't win the GMC or make any significant playoff run until they hire a Head Coach that knows how to build and run a successful high school program.
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While much of this is debatable, you've completely missed the original point, which is whether or not it is appropriate to call Oak Hills and Mason comparable programs.

High School football has tons more nuance than being such neckless rockheads that everything has to be dumbed down to two tiers of schools, teams that can win a regional championship (which there are usually only 3 or 4 every year) and everyone else. If that's the level you guys want to discuss things at, I'll just log off and go talk to my 5yr old nephew, because it will be a more interesting conversation.

Mason's roster last year (and certainly now) isn't anything near what LW, Princeton, Moe, StX, Elder are fielding in terms of potential D1 athletes. For you to be in the district and not appreciate what that coaching staff did last year getting a relatively undermanned team to week 3 of the playoffs is really sad.

Pretty predictable week in R4 overall, only semi-surprise was the extent to which WC handled Milford. StX is going to be a very dangerous team at playoff time, regardless of their record.
 
FourthAndOne said:
Mason Football program is the biggest underachieving program in the State of Ohio. Quite frankly the program hasn't accomplished a dam thing or beaten anyone worth a dam in the playoffs. We all know the seedings at times are not truly reflective of who is actually the 1 seed or 8 seed. I live in Mason and with the facilities they have there is no reason the program shouldn't be one of the tops in SWOH. It all comes down to coaching and the Mason Head Coach is a joke. Quite frankly he couldn't coach his way out of a wet paper bag. And don't tell me Mason loses too many players to Moeller and StX. I got news for you, so does Lakota West, Kings, Winton Woods, Anderson, Loveland, etc. Mason won't win the GMC or make any significant playoff run until they hire a Head Coach that knows how to build and run a successful high school program.
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Amen.
 
ElDuderino said:
While much of this is debatable, you've completely missed the original point, which is whether or not it is appropriate to call Oak Hills and Mason comparable programs.

High School football has tons more nuance than being such neckless rockheads that everything has to be dumbed down to two tiers of schools, teams that can win a regional championship (which there are usually only 3 or 4 every year) and everyone else. If that's the level you guys want to discuss things at, I'll just log off and go talk to my 5yr old nephew, because it will be a more interesting conversation.

Mason's roster last year (and certainly now) isn't anything near what LW, Princeton, Moe, StX, Elder are fielding in terms of potential D1 athletes. For you to be in the district and not appreciate what that coaching staff did last year getting a relatively undermanned team to week 3 of the playoffs is really sad.
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Undermanned LOL? It's literally the largest high school in Ohio.

Just take your L and move on.
 
ElDuderino said:
While much of this is debatable, you've completely missed the original point, which is whether or not it is appropriate to call Oak Hills and Mason comparable programs.

High School football has tons more nuance than being such neckless rockheads that everything has to be dumbed down to two tiers of schools, teams that can win a regional championship (which there are usually only 3 or 4 every year) and everyone else. If that's the level you guys want to discuss things at, I'll just log off and go talk to my 5yr old nephew, because it will be a more interesting conversation.
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Who cares about the difference between the 11th team and the 13th team besides you?

Both = irrelevant

And you think Elder gets more talent than Mason? Think again. The in's and out's of Elder's program are just better.
 
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At the halfway point, here is where I would rank the top 10 - rankings 2-6 are very close and you could argue the order all day. Is LE good enough to pull a big upset in the playoffs?

1. Moe (Ponatoski for President)
2. LW (I know they lost to Princeton, but they are playing very well right now)
3. WW (Anderson game will be interesting, otherwise, they're going to crush everyone else)
4. Princeton (hard to gauge - I was expecting more)
5. St X (could be a scary team come playoffs)
6. Elder (defense will keep them in every game, offense continues to improve)
7. LE (upset special)
8. Hamilton (capable on best day)
9. WC (wow, what the hell? 49-21 over Milford)
10. Milford (wow, what the hell? Blown out by WC?)

Surprises: WC, LE
Disappointments: Milford, Mason, OH
 
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ElDuderino said:
While much of this is debatable, you've completely missed the original point, which is whether or not it is appropriate to call Oak Hills and Mason comparable programs.

High School football has tons more nuance than being such neckless rockheads that everything has to be dumbed down to two tiers of schools, teams that can win a regional championship (which there are usually only 3 or 4 every year) and everyone else. If that's the level you guys want to discuss things at, I'll just log off and go talk to my 5yr old nephew, because it will be a more interesting conversation.

Mason's roster last year (and certainly now) isn't anything near what LW, Princeton, Moe, StX, Elder are fielding in terms of potential D1 athletes. For you to be in the district and not appreciate what that coaching staff did last year getting a relatively undermanned team to week 3 of the playoffs is really sad.

Pretty predictable week in R4 overall, only semi-surprise was the extent to which WC handled Milford. StX is going to be a very dangerous team at playoff time, regardless of their record.
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What is sad is how bad the coaching is at Mason. Brian Castner is a complete and the dude doesn't know what the heck he is doing. Speaking of last year Kings would of run Mason off the field and I am sure they would do it again this season. It is not about D1 college prospects, it is about developing the talent you have. Elder isn't exactly spitting out a ton of D1 prospects every season and they would flatten Mason in a heartbeat because their Coach is top notch.

There are plenty of great athletes at Mason which is why their baseball and lacrosse teams are always in the mix. Nobody at Mason that is worth a dam wants to play for Castner because he is a royal Ahole and he doesn't know how to develop talent.

If Mason would hire a good Head Coach they could turn into legit Football program, but that will never happen as long as they keep guys like Castner running the program.
 
There is a realistic chance West Clermont and Lakota East finish top 8 and get home games to start the playoffs. That's kind of crazy.
 
Doublehelix said:
There is a realistic chance West Clermont and Lakota East finish top 8 and get home games to start the playoffs. That's kind of crazy.
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West Clermont is getting mass computer points from their win over Mt.Healthy.
WC still has Winton left on their schedule, but their other four games appear to be very winnable. 7-3 oughta' get them a first round home game, especially if Milford goes 3-2 down the stretch. Don't know much about WC, but it looks like they create turnovers on D, and can run a little bit on Offense. I'm sure the boys out on Clough Pike would prefer a first round home game against an 9 or 10 seed, as opposed to their annual roadie to Big Moe, Lakota West, or Princeton.
 
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