FourthAndOne
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I heard it was very lop sided game. While Elder might not have a bunch of flashy D1 kids on their roster they have a lot of D2 and D3 kids which makes a heck of a HS team
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Doublehelix
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Told y'all. Kid is different.
Doublehelix
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Withrow has two guys with elite athleticism. As a team, they're not very good.
Elder has a good defense, but not on the same plane as Moe, LW and St X. And they play Eds, LSX, and Chatard too, and don't sleep on the team they play next week from Michigan, I think they will give Elder a game. I'm seeing 5-5 for the Panthers. The only remaining layups they have are Springboro and Riverdale Baptist. They should beat LaSalle but it will be a competitive game.
After last night, perhaps they take out St X at home as well.
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Doublehelix
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On another note, I want to point out how people always tell me how wrong I am, yet I always seem to be pretty accurate with my analysis.
Carry on...
Carry on...
I think he’s a top 10 QB in the country in 2026 without a doubt. I watched the guy Notre Dame has committed last week, who is ranked #11, and Ponatoski is way better than him. Frankly, he looked as good as CJ Carr looked in high school last year. Ponatoski also happens to be the #14 ranked baseball prospect in 2026, so we may not even get to see him play college football. I’m legit trying to remember the last time a QB from the Cincinnati area was this good, but I can’t. Sean Clifford is the only name that comes to mind since he’s currently in the NFL, but he was more athlete than QB in high school and even got benched during his senior season (granted, he did get off the bench and lead X to the state title).
FourthAndOne
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StX is in trouble. After a spring and summer of training and we all know Herbstreit was getting high level training. How can he be the best QB on that roster? Specht is going to have to make a tough decision and go with a different QB because they have much better teams on their schedule
TraditionNeverGraduates
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Sounds like a broken record from X fan all over again from 2023.
ElDuderino
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Lakota East with a sneaky good game last night in a loss to a very tough Centerville team. Will find out in the coming weeks how improved they are or if coaching limitations prevent more wins. Expect they will win more than 1 game this year.
Doublehelix
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Also spread the ball around to 8 different receivers with 7 of them having 2 or more catches. Both big plays and short routes. They are going to be very tough to stop. The passing game has all of the weapons. It will only make the running game more dangerous. Huge potential for Big Moe this year.
Doublehelix
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All of this nonsense for Mason as this is the result?
Seems pretty clear that Mason and OH are pretty similar, and you could argue OH is the better team. Good call.
ElDuderino
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LMAO this ankle bite troll doesn't deserve a response, but it made me laugh so I will honor you with one.
It's not non-sense, Oak Hills has never been in Mason's zip code, and continues to not be. We are talking about a team who played in week 3 of the playoffs last year and beat the undefeated 1 seed. Mason has played 2 tough teams and lost both games, they may be a bit down this year. Despite that, computers that know how to evaluate schedule strength into rankings have Mason more than 60 teams ahead of OH in Ohio.
Given they play this Friday, how bout we make an agreement that if Mason wins, you will leave this thread for the rest of the season (and take your laughably ignorant takes with you), and if Oak Hills wins, I will leave. Deal?
Doublehelix
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Well wait a minute, this entire time your point has been that OH is nowhere even close to the same stratosphere as Mason. Again, you just said "OH has never been in Mason's zip code", which is also hilarious. You're talking about two programs that are relative lightweights on the football field, and acting like Mason is some past powerhouse lol.
If the gap, as you describe it, is so wide, then wouldn't simply a competitive game, regardless of who wins, pretty simply prove that the two teams are pretty similar, which has been my point the entire time?
You, yourself, have said NUMEROUS times that Mason is lightyears ahead, yet OH has to win the game, which in your mind would almost an impossibility by what you've posted, to prove something? How you can make a bet with someone that looks at this situation like that. Sounds like OH should be getting some points, no?
This all stemmed from me posting simple tiers, putting both schools in the tier of "no shot at winning the region", which is 100% true. For whatever reason that is unclear to anyone reading this thread, that triggered you. Weird. Very weird. But leave it to the same person to say that is ankle biting trolling compared to actually believing Mason football has relevance lol.
ElDuderino
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I can see you are nothing but a bad-faith poster, you've done several other things in this thread, including raking Oak Hills ahead of Mason in a stack ranking, but now are making up completely false strawmen in an attempt to save face.
Calling a program that made week 3 of the playoffs both last year and the year before a "relative light-weight" is just laughably dumb stuff. But I see you have no confidence in your statements, since you have to hide behind made-up lies and attempt to make the challenge about things I said instead of what you said (and a team ahead of Mason in stack rankings certainly doesnt need points to win).
Doublehelix
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This was my initial ranking. I rated them literally ONE SPOT AWAY from each other in a list of R4 teams, both at the BOTTOM of the list. You act like I put OH 3rd and Mason 10th. Is there really THAT much difference between teams at the lower end of the top 10? Who on earth in Cincinnati R4 would you put ahead of either at this point?
West Hi? No
Sycamore? No
West Clermont? No
Colerain? No
Little Miami? No
Walnut Hills? No
Lakota East? Well yes, they should jump Mason right?
What on earth is your point? Literally, there are no teams left to rank - how on earth can you continue to say the things you are saying, and then continue to tell me that I am the one that's off track?
Where on earth should Mason be rated right now in this list being 0-2 and losing to a VERY mediocre LE team? Again, please help us all understand your actual point here, because I NEVER said OH was significantly better than anyone, I simply ranked 10 teams, and had OH ONE SPOT ahead of Mason - man, that's crazy disrespect.
You are completely on tilt.
Doublehelix
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@Omar @1965 Panther and @PURPLE REIGN are going to freak out when they do their research on Riverdale Baptist, Elder's week 8 opponent.
RB has 15+ D1 transfers in, with several high level D1 players (Bama, ND, Maryland, Mich St, Oregon). They've destroyed their first two opponents and are getting comparisons to Good Counsel and St Frances. Apparently a neighboring program folded (Rock Creek Christian) and most of the players transferred to RB. Should be interesting...
Omar is going to lose it.
He's already whining about St Eds and that's still a week away.
RB has 15+ D1 transfers in, with several high level D1 players (Bama, ND, Maryland, Mich St, Oregon). They've destroyed their first two opponents and are getting comparisons to Good Counsel and St Frances. Apparently a neighboring program folded (Rock Creek Christian) and most of the players transferred to RB. Should be interesting...
Omar is going to lose it.
He's already whining about St Eds and that's still a week away.
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FourthAndOne
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Mcaughey for StX in 2020 (junior season) was an absolute stud. He is 1st team all state and lead the Bombers to the State Title.
Rush Limbaugh
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I love how Elder lives rent free in Trey’s head… no one has responded to him in a while and now he’s tagging Elder posters to try and get them to fight with him.
What a clown
What a clown
Doublehelix
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It's an interesting D1R4 development. The Elder posters thought they were getting a Homecoming game, and now they're up against a top 5 team in MD.I love how Elder lives rent free in Trey’s head… no one has responded to him in a while and now he’s tagging Elder posters to try and get them to fight with him.
What a clown
Get over yourself, Elder doesn't live rent free in anyone's head. They used to, but not anymore.
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Chase Wolf was elite at X- one of the best I ever saw in high school. I remember seeing him play for the first time vs Moeller and he was cool, made fast reads and zipped that ball through traffic.
How do you explain his being a flop in college when it comes to playing time? Not a criticism just an observation. GBM
Doublehelix
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The Big 10 is a pretty tough place to land the #1 starting QB job with likely 4 stars coming in every year. It doesn't mean he wasn't good, but outside of Clifford, what other GCL QB led a power conference team at QB? It just doesn't happen often.How do you explain his being a flop in college when it comes to playing time? Not a criticism just an observation. GBM
I mean Joe Burrow was a “flop” at OSU- it happens, doesn’t mean they weren’t elite. Sadly that game was when McBride went down- now he could have been one of the all time Cincy area QBs!How do you explain his being a flop in college when it comes to playing time? Not a criticism just an observation. GBM
I believe Hendrix may have started a game for Notre Dame once, but he was mostly a change-of-pace runner, and Massa never got off the bench there. Ragland had a very good career in the MAC at Miami-Ohio and is now pretty well-regarded as a college assistant. Oltorik went to Arizona, but then switched to baseball. I believe that Iacavone did the same at Marshall. Wolf definitely went to Wisconsin for a reason, but he wasn’t super athletic and didn’t have the arm talent of Graham Mertz, who they started over him. Clifford was a tremendous athlete, and he got developed well at Penn State and is in the NFL as a backup because he can go in the game and scramble well-enough to not get killed. Peyton Ramsey started a lot of games for Indiana and Northwestern, throwing for over 8,000 yards and rushing for over 1,000. There have certainly been some good GCL QBs over these last 15-20 years, but I think Ponatoski is better than all of them.
boothmark77
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We will find out when Moeller visits St. X in two weeks. I’m curious if St X qb1 has improved enough to exploit an unproven Moe secondary.
ElDuderino
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Did everyone enjoy the games last night?
A very interesting conversation can start brewing depending on the outcome of Walnut Hills vs. Little Miami.
If Walnut beats Little Miami we could see 3 possible teams at 0-10 fighting for the 16th seed:
Little Miami
Western Hills
Sycamore/Colerain loser
Assuming it would be the GMC 0-10 based on strength of schedule but how is it actually settled? I mean it’s a week 11 date with Mighty Moe so do you really wanna do it if you’re any of those schools?
If Walnut beats Little Miami we could see 3 possible teams at 0-10 fighting for the 16th seed:
Little Miami
Western Hills
Sycamore/Colerain loser
Assuming it would be the GMC 0-10 based on strength of schedule but how is it actually settled? I mean it’s a week 11 date with Mighty Moe so do you really wanna do it if you’re any of those schools?
ElDuderino
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Because of the incredible stupidity of the 60yr old computer model that is used for playoff seedings, there is no strength of schedule evaluation unless you win the game. The relative strength of teams you lost to is not measured in this horribly outdated, insulting model. Every computer model the last 50 years from Sagarin to Massey to SP+ to FPI to even some of the in-state hobbyists like Drew50 all evaluate SOS based on teams you lost to as well. Harbin does not.
So these 3 0-10 teams will all have zero points and be tied.
I don't know how they break these ties, but it would have to be something like a coinflip
oxat622
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Blame the need to put 90% of the region in the postseason. Top eight seeds have no problem winning at least a couple games so the strength of schedule math can actually math.
This is a tournament to determine who wins the state championship. You win the state championship by winning games. Prove you belong by winning games.
Western Hills is playing one D1 opponent this year. Colerain and Sycamore each are playing nine. Little Miami has a mix of D1 and D2. If the loser of the GMC matchup goes winless and Western Hills and LM also go winless, there's nothing to prove that any team is better than the others. Saying Colerain could pick up a couple wins against Woodward and Aiken, etc. is an assumption at best. And that's the fault of insisting that 16 teams in a region get in. I realize huge upsets happen and love it when they do, but that does not justify that a 16 team region is correct.
That's not to say that a computer system that evaluates SOS of teams you lost to are bad. College basketball uses the NET rankings which does this and while I have some issues with it, by nature of there being 360+ teams and 30+ regular season and conference tournament games, it produces far more sophisticated data than the Harbin system can.