Cleveland Browns 2024 Edition

Daniel Jones sucks no matter where he was taken. It's a wasted pick no matter where it happened. We don't need to take a QB just to take a QB. Wasting resources on QBs, whether draft picks or the Watson debacle, has held this franchise back as much as anything else. Chasing the next Payton Manning when it's been proven you can win with Trent Dilfer.

Instead of Brandon Weedon we could've had a foundational piece. Instead of Johnny Manzeil we could've had a foundational piece. Instead of Brady Quinn we could've had a foundational piece. And of course the disaster of robbing the team of 3 first round foundational pieces along with the salary cap hell of the Watson deal.

Why negate the advantage of this terrible season? Take the best player available at 5 or 6 whether it's o line or wherever and do the same thing in the 2nd round and build from there. Stop chasing the white whale of HOF QB.
I agree. This franchise has way too many holes to ensure a stable environment for a franchise QB anytime in the next 5 years. That amazing o-line and running game has aged out and there are no pieces in place to bring it back up to snuff (maybe Jones). The WR room is a group of cast offs that, surprise, aren't that great in Cleveland either. Jeudy has come on a bit as of late in the #1 role, but still struggles with drops. The best offensive player is a Njoku at TE. Somehow this defense went from being historically good right back to being bad in one offseason. Ward can't stay on the field and JOK is on IR with a neck injury. I feel like he could be done for his career. I like Myles Garrett, but outside of flashy pass rush plays, he disappears at times. He is especially bad in the run game and his hustle on plays away from him is enough to make me turn off my TV at times. Still, he likely holds a ton of value. Really, he's the only player with any real value on this team. The Browns might as well trade him for the opportunity to have more foundational pieces to build on for the future.
 
The Browns currently have the 8th pick in the draft. #1 LV, #2 NYG, #6 Ten & #7 NYJ could all take a QB. Only Colorado QB Sanders & Hurricanes QB Ward will get over drafted and go in the Top 10.

The Colorado CB/WR Hunter, Arizona wr McMillan, UM DT Graham & Boise State rb Jeanty are consensus top players. This draft is a bit light at the top, not too much difference between the #7 guy and the #30 guy. The Browns just need to find young, cheap football players to build towards the future. Just don't screw them up once you bring them into the building - that will be Cleveland's challenge. Yes it would be great to trade down & get more picks or a #1 or #2 for next year but that is everyone’s thought. The Browns need a trade partner to make that happen and it’s probably unlikely to happen.

2025 will be more difficult that 2024 for Cleveland fans. 2024, 2025 & 2026 season are the Browns front office ‘Time to pay the piper’ moment for the horrific trade & contract of Deshaun Watson. No getting around it, it is time to pay up.
 
They should pay him just so the fans have some semblance of normalcy in a player that people can feel good about rooting for.
I’m getting tired of people saying Chubb will never be the same, there’s something drastically wrong, blah blah blah.

The guy is still playing his way back from a devastating injury.

Next year will be the true test for him.
 
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I’m getting tired of people saying Chubb will never be the same, there’s something drastically wrong, blah blah blah.

The guy is still playing his way back from a devastating injury.

Next year will be the true test for him.
Nowhere in my comment does it say he won't get back to performing on a high level.

If anyone can return from that devasting injury to be a top 10 back in the league again, it's a guy like Chubb who has an outstanding work ethic.

My point was that teams, at large, are not paying backs big money. The idea of a team betting on a back returning from a devastating knee injury like that would seem crazy. But no matter what, they should pay Chubb because not only was/is he a great back, but he's a great teammate and someone who is easy to root for as a stand up human being and teammate. It's almost impossible to hate on Nick Chubb. With the amount of dislikable characters the Browns have brought in the last few years, paying Chubb for that sole purpose would be worth it.
 
No where in my comment does it say he won't get back to performing on a high level.

If anyone can return from that devasting injury to be a top 10 back in the league again, it's a guy like Chubb who has an outstanding work ethic.

My point was that teams, at large, are not paying backs big money. The idea of a team betting on a back returning from a devastating knee injury like that would seem crazy. But no matter what, they should pay Chubb because not only was/is he a great back, but he's a great teammate and someone who is easy to root for as a stand up human being and teammate. It's almost impossible to hate on Nick Chubb. With the amount of dislikable characters the Browns have brought in the last few years, paying Chubb for that sole purpose would be worth it.

Chubb will be 30 next year heading into his 8 season. He made $6.275 mil this year. At best Chubb might be able to find someone willing to pay him similar to Ten Pollard or Min Jones who each make around $7 mil a year. Reality is, that is unlikely for. 30 year old with 2 serious knee injuries and the amount of wear & tear Chubb has endured. I would guess a 1 year $4 mil deal is more likely.

Cleveland’s oline is no where near what it has been and based on age will probably be no better next year than what it has been this year. If Chubb does entertain offers from other teams or wishes to go to a contender…..a team about 2 hours SE of Cleveland will have a free agent rb at the end of the year and could be looking for a back to share the workload with Jaylen Warren.
 
Chubb will be 30 next year heading into his 8 season. He made $6.275 mil this year. At best Chubb might be able to find someone willing to pay him similar to Ten Pollard or Min Jones who each make around $7 mil a year. Reality is, that is unlikely for. 30 year old with 2 serious knee injuries and the amount of wear & tear Chubb has endured. I would guess a 1 year $4 mil deal is more likely.

Cleveland’s oline is no where near what it has been and based on age will probably be no better next year than what it has been this year. If Chubb does entertain offers from other teams or wishes to go to a contender…..a team about 2 hours SE of Cleveland will have a free agent rb at the end of the year and could be looking for a back to share the workload with Jaylen Warren.
You shut your dirty wh--e mouth suggesting something so dastardly. 🤣

Kidding with the name calling, but I sure hope that never happens. If he ends up out of Cleveland, I do hope he finds a legit contender and can give them valuable reps. Of course, I hope he stays and brings a championship to Cleveland but... well... you know.
 
You shut your dirty wh--e mouth suggesting something so dastardly. 🤣

Kidding with the name calling, but I sure hope that never happens. If he ends up out of Cleveland, I do hope he finds a legit contender and can give them valuable reps. Of course, I hope he stays and brings a championship to Cleveland but... well... you know.

I get it and for Chubbs sake I hope he stays with Cleveland if that is what he truly wants. However if Chubb does look elsewhere, his interest will be from teams that think he can be a piece to the puzzle (KC or Pit), I just think his days of being the bell cow are past him. Chubbs character & respect he has from others around the league, he is a type of person I could definitely see the Steelers/Tomlin would be interested in for the right price.
 
I get it and for Chubbs sake I hope he stays with Cleveland if that is what he truly wants. However if Chubb does look elsewhere, his interest will be from teams that think he can be a piece to the puzzle (KC or Pit), I just think his days of being the bell cow are past him. Chubbs character & respect he has from others around the league, he is a type of person I could definitely see the Steelers/Tomlin would be interested in for the right price.
Sadly, I agree.
 
Nowhere in my comment does it say he won't get back to performing on a high level.

If anyone can return from that devasting injury to be a top 10 back in the league again, it's a guy like Chubb who has an outstanding work ethic.

My point was that teams, at large, are not paying backs big money. The idea of a team betting on a back returning from a devastating knee injury like that would seem crazy. But no matter what, they should pay Chubb because not only was/is he a great back, but he's a great teammate and someone who is easy to root for as a stand up human being and teammate. It's almost impossible to hate on Nick Chubb. With the amount of dislikable characters the Browns have brought in the last few years, paying Chubb for that sole purpose would be worth it.
Not criticizing you, just saying there are people out there that are clueless.
 
Not criticizing you, just saying there are people out there that are clueless.
I mean, father time is undefeated as is all too often pointed out. I do believe at 28 years old that Chubb can come back and have a strong finish to his career. I too am tired of hearing about how he's done and they need to move on. Give the man who has been so loyal to the franchise a shot.
 
Psssst…c’mere…yeah, you…

Chiefs are only giving 4 and a half on Sunday…they been just getting by lots of weeks, and don’t even need this game…take the Brownies and da points…

Yer welcome…
 
When dealing with the nfl one year can make a heck of a difference. Just ask the 49ers this year

Agreed, My point, regardless of the exact amount of years, was that two teams that were so close at that point in time have gone in completely different directions with one having 3 Super Bowl appearances and two Super Bowl wins while the other returned to the perennial toilet.
 
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BWAAAAH. Sure.

But the Browns are willing to allow Watson to at least compete for the job for more reasons than just the fact they’re paying him a boatload of money.

The Browns believe that Watson can still play at a high level, and that the first seven games of this season were not a true reflection of his ability.


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BWAAAAH. Sure.

But the Browns are willing to allow Watson to at least compete for the job for more reasons than just the fact they’re paying him a boatload of money.

The Browns believe that Watson can still play at a high level, and that the first seven games of this season were not a true reflection of his ability.


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The deviant is now 4 years past his prime. Most players are long retired by the time they get there, but lets keep trying to justify the investment by trying a guy who hasn't been worth a damn since he quit on his former team nearly half a decade ago. It's like they're afraid to hurt his feelings.
 
BWAAAAH. Sure.

But the Browns are willing to allow Watson to at least compete for the job for more reasons than just the fact they’re paying him a boatload of money.

The Browns believe that Watson can still play at a high level, and that the first seven games of this season were not a true reflection of his ability.


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I couldnt read the article because of the paywall. However, what do you expect the organization to say? "He sucks, but we gotta roll the dice and see if theres anything left"? He is there for the duration of the contract, plain & simple. No statement, press release or anything else will change that. The only shot the Browns have is getting a Sam Darnold or Russell Wilson. Somebody on the relatively cheap end who can produce and make Watson an expensive backup. Either that or Watson actually plays like a competent starting QB
 
I couldnt read the article because of the paywall. However, what do you expect the organization to say? "He sucks, but we gotta roll the dice and see if theres anything left"? He is there for the duration of the contract, plain & simple. No statement, press release or anything else will change that. The only shot the Browns have is getting a Sam Darnold or Russell Wilson. Somebody on the relatively cheap end who can produce and make Watson an expensive backup. Either that or Watson actually plays like a competent starting QB
The Browns are giving Deshaun Watson a chance to come back and compete for the starting job in 2025, and it’s not just about the money.

The money is certainly a big part of it, given that the Browns would trigger a $119 million cap charge in 2025 if they designate him a post-June 1 cut or trade. That’s nearly half of the 2024 cap of $255.4 million, and would be untenable.

As it stands, Watson has cap charges of nearly $73 million in each of the next two seasons, and nearly $27 million in 2027. The Browns will likely restructure that deal again in the offseason, pushing more of the money forward and bringing the cap hit down to a much more manageable level. But the Browns are willing to allow Watson to at least compete for the job for more reasons than just the fact they’re paying him a boatload of money.

The Browns believe that Watson can still play at a high level, and that the first seven games of this season were not a true reflection of his ability. Granted, he was not without plenty of blame for the 1-6 record. He missed the open man a lot, and ran himself into too many sacks.

But the Browns also recognize that there were many extenuating circumstances in those first seven games that would’ve made it difficult for any quarterback to succeed. The Browns overhauled the offensive coaching staff and scheme, and it flopped miserably from the start for a number of reasons. The offensive tackles weren’t healthy in the early going coming off their knee surgeries, and either weren’t on the field or struggled. It includes two-time All-Pro right Jack Conklin, who missed the first five games, and left tackle Jedrick Wills Jr., who missed three of the first four. In addition, right guard Wyatt Teller missed Weeks 4-7 with his knee injury.

Starting running back Nick Chubb missed the first six games, and No. 1 receiver Amari Cooper played poorly in the first seven games, leading the NFL in drops in that span — including several sure TDs — and catching only 45.3% of his passes. The presence of Cooper, despite his struggles, delayed the emergence of Jerry Jeudy as the No. 1 receiver.

The new spread-oriented offense installed largely by offensive coordinator Ken Dorsey, was called by Kevin Stefanski, and Dorsey assumed the chore when Jameis Winston took over in Week 8 vs. the Ravens. By then, the Browns had Chubb back and most of their offensive line back healthy, and Winston had time to get the ball downfield.

This is not to say that Watson can come back from surgery to repair his ruptured Achilles and be their starter from Day 1. A lot of his game depends on mobility, and no one knows where he’ll be come September. He also hasn’t started a full season since 2020 in Houston, when he led the NFL with 4,823 yards and threw 33 touchdowns against only seven interceptions.

He’ll also be 30 next season coming off back-to-back season-ending surgeries, including his shoulder surgery in 2023. But he should be ready to practice at least on a limited basis at the start of training camp, and will have a chance to show he can still play winning ball.

The Browns are also realistic enough to know that it might not happen, and will have at least one other bona fide starter in camp who will either come in as the starter, or with a chance to compete for the starting job. That could be Winston or someone else. They’ll look for their potential next QB1 in the draft, free agency or a trade.

But Watson, who’s currently in a walking boot and right on schedule in his recovery, will be part of the mix one way or the other.
 
I couldnt read the article because of the paywall. However, what do you expect the organization to say? "He sucks, but we gotta roll the dice and see if theres anything left"? He is there for the duration of the contract, plain & simple. No statement, press release or anything else will change that. The only shot the Browns have is getting a Sam Darnold or Russell Wilson. Somebody on the relatively cheap end who can produce and make Watson an expensive backup. Either that or Watson actually plays like a competent starting QB
They will not be able to afford Wilson or Darnold … both have played their way out of consideration … they will have to get really lucky on someone with no perceived value like Fields, Minshew, Ridder, Mac Jones, or Danial Jones … of those I will take Fields or bring back Winston.

Edit: more FA QB for 25 … Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Flacco, Brissett, Heinicke, Mariota, Garoppolo, Rudolph, DeVito … fairly unimpressive
 
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The Browns are giving Deshaun Watson a chance to come back and compete for the starting job in 2025, and it’s not just about the money.

The money is certainly a big part of it, given that the Browns would trigger a $119 million cap charge in 2025 if they designate him a post-June 1 cut or trade. That’s nearly half of the 2024 cap of $255.4 million, and would be untenable.

As it stands, Watson has cap charges of nearly $73 million in each of the next two seasons, and nearly $27 million in 2027. The Browns will likely restructure that deal again in the offseason, pushing more of the money forward and bringing the cap hit down to a much more manageable level. But the Browns are willing to allow Watson to at least compete for the job for more reasons than just the fact they’re paying him a boatload of money.

The Browns believe that Watson can still play at a high level, and that the first seven games of this season were not a true reflection of his ability. Granted, he was not without plenty of blame for the 1-6 record. He missed the open man a lot, and ran himself into too many sacks.

But the Browns also recognize that there were many extenuating circumstances in those first seven games that would’ve made it difficult for any quarterback to succeed. The Browns overhauled the offensive coaching staff and scheme, and it flopped miserably from the start for a number of reasons. The offensive tackles weren’t healthy in the early going coming off their knee surgeries, and either weren’t on the field or struggled. It includes two-time All-Pro right Jack Conklin, who missed the first five games, and left tackle Jedrick Wills Jr., who missed three of the first four. In addition, right guard Wyatt Teller missed Weeks 4-7 with his knee injury.

Starting running back Nick Chubb missed the first six games, and No. 1 receiver Amari Cooper played poorly in the first seven games, leading the NFL in drops in that span — including several sure TDs — and catching only 45.3% of his passes. The presence of Cooper, despite his struggles, delayed the emergence of Jerry Jeudy as the No. 1 receiver.

The new spread-oriented offense installed largely by offensive coordinator Ken Dorsey, was called by Kevin Stefanski, and Dorsey assumed the chore when Jameis Winston took over in Week 8 vs. the Ravens. By then, the Browns had Chubb back and most of their offensive line back healthy, and Winston had time to get the ball downfield.

This is not to say that Watson can come back from surgery to repair his ruptured Achilles and be their starter from Day 1. A lot of his game depends on mobility, and no one knows where he’ll be come September. He also hasn’t started a full season since 2020 in Houston, when he led the NFL with 4,823 yards and threw 33 touchdowns against only seven interceptions.

He’ll also be 30 next season coming off back-to-back season-ending surgeries, including his shoulder surgery in 2023. But he should be ready to practice at least on a limited basis at the start of training camp, and will have a chance to show he can still play winning ball.

The Browns are also realistic enough to know that it might not happen, and will have at least one other bona fide starter in camp who will either come in as the starter, or with a chance to compete for the starting job. That could be Winston or someone else. They’ll look for their potential next QB1 in the draft, free agency or a trade.

But Watson, who’s currently in a walking boot and right on schedule in his recovery, will be part of the mix one way or the other.

The Browns have restructured Watson’s deal at least once and possibly twice, pushing $$$ cap hit into future years. A $27 mil dead cap hit in 2027 isn’t too bad but another restructure will increase the 2026 & 2027 cap hits, at what point in time does one just take their medicine? The Browns thought they had a chance at being relevant in 2024, does anyone truly think they can bounce back in 2025 with or without Watson at the helm?
 
The Browns have restructured Watson’s deal at least once and possibly twice, pushing $$$ cap hit into future years. A $27 mil dead cap hit in 2027 isn’t too bad but another restructure will increase the 2026 & 2027 cap hits, at what point in time does one just take their medicine? The Browns thought they had a chance at being relevant in 2024, does anyone truly think they can bounce back in 2025 with or without Watson at the helm?
Yes … did anyone think the Steelers were going to win the division this year … not many … but they made a couple moves that has really worked out … and they are well coached … they play to their strengths … I actually think that Stefanski is a decent coach … they will need to make a few good moves and get lucky with the QB situation … their roster is not devoid of talent.
 
Of course, the difference between the Browns and Steelers is very evident - The Steelers are an organization with a philosophy that has proven successful for them. The Browns are a conglomeration of individuals ( despite their protestations) who have been searching for a formula since their return. Their history has been one of infighting for power and influence on the upper level with changing philosophies, as the frequent regime changes won't allow anything to be established. The Steelers bring in players who fit into their system; the Browns bring in players and force them into whatever system they decide to try. It is a group built on analytics with lower regard for character. Can you imagine any team using their first round pick on someone who refused to work out at kick returner at the scouting combine? Or having a GM too lazy to go to combines to meet prospective draft choices, but, instead relying totally on film? Do the Steelers have a meddling owner whose need to sell player jerseys supersedes the advice of those he hired? No, the results will never change until and organization is built.
 
Yes … did anyone think the Steelers were going to win the division this year … not many … but they made a couple moves that has really worked out … and they are well coached … they play to their strengths … I actually think that Stefanski is a decent coach … they will need to make a few good moves and get lucky with the QB situation … their roster is not devoid of talent.

Stefanski is a good coach and I believe he still has the team as evidence by 3 guys reaching their season MPH max on the Winston int in the Denver game. They are still playing hard and it wouldn’t surprise me if they beat KC today.

One big difference: Steelers organization > Browns Organization. The Steelers were picked 3rd-4th in AFC North simply because of QB situation, the roster had talent and has young guys whose careers are on the upswing. The Steelers last two draft classes have been superb. The Browns oline….its ran its course. The solid vet guys can’t stay healthy and the two young guys - OT Jones did not take a step forward this season before getting hurt and rookie OG Zinter is the 2nd worse rated guard in the NFL per PPF. Chubb is knocking 30 hitting FA and Ford is a piece, not a 3 down back. WR Jentry has been a pleasant surprise since Winston came in. Now let’s see if Jentry can maintain it into next year when there will be expectations; can he handle the success of 2024. The D, just does not look the same as last year and your kicker…..some wish York was still there.

The Steelers roster was trending up heading into 2024 with questions/concerns at QB. In 2025 the Browns roster will continue to be trending down with a QB situation far worse than what Pittsburgh had heading into 2024.
 
Of course, the difference between the Browns and Steelers is very evident - The Steelers are an organization with a philosophy that has proven successful for them. The Browns are a conglomeration of individuals ( despite their protestations) who have been searching for a formula since their return. Their history has been one of infighting for power and influence on the upper level with changing philosophies, as the frequent regime changes won't allow anything to be established. The Steelers bring in players who fit into their system; the Browns bring in players and force them into whatever system they decide to try. It is a group built on analytics with lower regard for character. Can you imagine any team using their first round pick on someone who refused to work out at kick returner at the scouting combine? Or having a GM too lazy to go to combines to meet prospective draft choices, but, instead relying totally on film? Do the Steelers have a meddling owner whose need to sell player jerseys supersedes the advice of those he hired? No, the results will never change until and organization is built.
Browns fans hate hearing it, but the Steelers have arguably been the NFL’s best run franchise since the AFL/NFL merger in 1970 created the modern NFL as we know it. They have a set philosophy, culture and a stability that’s paid off hugely. And the Ravens, since they day they left Cleveland, have been the same reliable model as the Steelers. Both organizations have dominated the division and the only time the Browns and Bengals ever break through is in short player-driven windows. Until the Browns and Bengals ever pick a direction and stick with it they’ll be eating the Steelers and Ravens crumbs.

If you say that’s Steelers football, or that’s Ravens football, everyone knows what you mean. Ground and pound offense and hard hitting very physical defense. The Browns and Bengals identity at any given time is based on who are the coach and players. Neither has an organizational identity.
 
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Lock of the day
Browns over Chiefs. Place ur first communion money on th browns straight up.


Guaranteed

I'm hesitant to bet the $2.00 I got for my first communion, but I will bet that huge sum that the Browns will do something stupid ( turnover or untimely penalty) that will ultimately lose the game. I feel it's a safer bet.
 
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