Cleveland Browns 2024 Edition

brian1227 said:
Stefanski has lost the team should be fired tonight.
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I disagree. In the telecast or a pregame show today they mentioned that 3 different Browns reached their fastest mph surges franchise year in the last Winston interception on MNF vs the Broncos. That tells me they are still playing hard. I no Stefanski fan but the Browns have had far worse coaches.

Keep Stefanski, take you medicine next year and begin to see the light at the end of the Watson tunnel in 2026.
 
Sure, fire the coach. That always works. They've had 12 coaches since they came back in '99. Firing them never helped much. The guy in the job now has the highest winning percentage of all of them with the exception of 8 game Greg Williams.

Send out Depo. Send out Berry. Hire a real football guy to fix the mess and let him make the call as to the head coach.
 
clarkgriswold said:
Sure, fire the coach. That always works. They've had 12 coaches since they came back in '99. Firing them never helped much. The guy in the job now has the highest winning percentage of all of them with the exception of 8 game Greg Williams.

Send out Depo. Send out Berry. Hire a real football guy to fix the mess and let him make the call as to the head coach.
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I might agree, but the last time they hired a real football guy he took Baker Mayfield with the first pick of the draft.
 
Baker did need to "grow up" but this ownership was part if not the primary reason he couldn't do it here. I can only laugh about the "we need an adult" comment and then they go and sign Watson to what is now the worst trade in NFL history.

Where would we be with Baker right now? I think a middle of the road team, could go 8-9, could go 10-7. There's only so much we can talk about in the what ifs. I'm glad Baker is playing well somewhere else and I do find myself rooting for him. But yes, could have had Allen, could have had Mahomes in '17 too.

I think the only way this gets better is if the Haslams admit they don't know what they're doing and bring someone in like clark said who is accomplished and make sure the Haslams don't meddle at all.

There's no need to fire Stefanski. It's just not worth the risk. It's unlikely you're going to get a guy that's as good as him and the risk is you get yet another dud that is gone in 2 years while you watch Stefanski succeed with a better roster.

This is all on the front office. Depo should've never gotten a job in the NFL. We've already fired Berry once and it looks like it's going to be twice (I wonder what he has on Jimmuh). This teams roster SUCKS. Everyone is replaceable, even aging Garrett.
 
eaglesfan216 said:
Baker did need to "grow up" but this ownership was part if not the primary reason he couldn't do it here. I can only laugh about the "we need an adult" comment and then they go and sign Watson to what is now the worst trade in NFL history.

Where would we be with Baker right now? I think a middle of the road team, could go 8-9, could go 10-7. There's only so much we can talk about in the what ifs. I'm glad Baker is playing well somewhere else and I do find myself rooting for him. But yes, could have had Allen, could have had Mahomes in '17 too.

I think the only way this gets better is if the Haslams admit they don't know what they're doing and bring someone in like clark said who is accomplished and make sure the Haslams don't meddle at all.

There's no need to fire Stefanski. It's just not worth the risk. It's unlikely you're going to get a guy that's as good as him and the risk is you get yet another dud that is gone in 2 years while you watch Stefanski succeed with a better roster.

This is all on the front office. Depo should've never gotten a job in the NFL. We've already fired Berry once and it looks like it's going to be twice (I wonder what he has on Jimmuh). This teams roster SUCKS. Everyone is replaceable, even aging Garrett.
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Pretty much. I know the Baker Bros will come on here at some point claiming the Browns would be in better shape if they kept Baker. But Baker had to go. He was not well liked or trusted by his teammates and he was never a clutch performer. Getting tossed aside by a few teams seems to have gotten his mind right, but he’s still just a game manager.

The mistake, of course, turned out to be the pursuit of Watson. I was on board with it because Dorsey blew the chance to draft a franchise QB and the chance to get one in Watson seemed worthwhile. The contract was going to be bad if things didn’t go well, and they haven’t, but at the time it was the Browns cost to get a Pro Bowl QB. I sometimes wonder if it would’ve gotten to this point had Goodell not succumbed to outside pressure and abided by the female judge’s decision for a short suspension for Watson. That turned out to be a lost year and then Watson got hurt early the next year and on and on. We are near the end of it and I do not trust this group to draft the next franchise QB.
 
clarkgriswold said:
Sure, fire the coach. That always works. They've had 12 coaches since they came back in '99. Firing them never helped much. The guy in the job now has the highest winning percentage of all of them with the exception of 8 game Greg Williams.

Send out Depo. Send out Berry. Hire a real football guy to fix the mess and let him make the call as to the head coach.
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A real football guy...like Holmgren?
 
eaglesfan216 said:
Baker did need to "grow up" but this ownership was part if not the primary reason he couldn't do it here. I can only laugh about the "we need an adult" comment and then they go and sign Watson to what is now the worst trade in NFL history.

Where would we be with Baker right now? I think a middle of the road team, could go 8-9, could go 10-7. There's only so much we can talk about in the what ifs. I'm glad Baker is playing well somewhere else and I do find myself rooting for him. But yes, could have had Allen, could have had Mahomes in '17 too.

I think the only way this gets better is if the Haslams admit they don't know what they're doing and bring someone in like clark said who is accomplished and make sure the Haslams don't meddle at all.

There's no need to fire Stefanski. It's just not worth the risk. It's unlikely you're going to get a guy that's as good as him and the risk is you get yet another dud that is gone in 2 years while you watch Stefanski succeed with a better roster.

This is all on the front office. Depo should've never gotten a job in the NFL. We've already fired Berry once and it looks like it's going to be twice (I wonder what he has on Jimmuh). This teams roster SUCKS. Everyone is replaceable, even aging Garrett.
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So you want to go back to 1-31.
 
cjb5656 said:
Pretty much. I know the Baker Bros will come on here at some point claiming the Browns would be in better shape if they kept Baker. But Baker had to go. He was not well liked or trusted by his teammates and he was never a clutch performer. Getting tossed aside by a few teams seems to have gotten his mind right, but he’s still just a game manager.

The mistake, of course, turned out to be the pursuit of Watson. I was on board with it because Dorsey blew the chance to draft a franchise QB and the chance to get one in Watson seemed worthwhile. The contract was going to be bad if things didn’t go well, and they haven’t, but at the time it was the Browns cost to get a Pro Bowl QB. I sometimes wonder if it would’ve gotten to this point had Goodell not succumbed to outside pressure and abided by the female judge’s decision for a short suspension for Watson. That turned out to be a lost year and then Watson got hurt early the next year and on and on. We are near the end of it and I do not trust this group to draft the next franchise QB.
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Consistent playoff team with Baker. All this team needs is a game manager as we've seen with their ability to just plug guys in and win. Pissing away resources chasing the whale of a potential HOF QB has held the team back as much as anything.
 
y2h said:
Consistent playoff team with Baker. All this team needs is a game manager as we've seen with their ability to just plug guys in and win. Pissing away resources chasing the whale of a potential HOF QB has held the team back as much as anything.
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Agree with the last sentence for sure. I agree with the first sentence if the Browns now had the more mature Tampa Bay Baker. Not entirely sure I agree with the second sentence, though. It depends upon your goals. If just being a playoff team every year, like Tampa Bay, you could be right. If the goal is to be a Super Bowl contender you probably need more than a game manager.
 
cjb5656 said:
I might agree, but the last time they hired a real football guy he took Baker Mayfield with the first pick of the draft.
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That is where the problems started … take a 6’ average athlete over one of the biggest studs to ever play QB … just flat out dumb!
 
y2h said:
So you want to go back to 1-31.
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No, but I don't want to be stuck in a perennial 8-9 purgatory either. Would we be making the playoffs with Mayfield? Maybe. It's the toughest division in football so we would likely be trying to sneak in as a wild card every year.
y2h said:
Consistent playoff team with Baker. All this team needs is a game manager as we've seen with their ability to just plug guys in and win. Pissing away resources chasing the whale of a potential HOF QB has held the team back as much as anything.
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This is the problem of playing what if. I don't think this is the case. This teams roster isn't good enough for a game manager. A big driver of that was the Watson trade and signing. Maybe the playoff run window would've been open a little longer without the Watson trade, but I can argue that we just got lucky last year with Flacco as he caught lightning in a bottle.

This team needs a prototype old school QB. Big, tall, and able to make every throw. Unfortunately there isn't one in the draft next year. I don't trust the guys in the FO or the ownership to make the right call anyway.
 
BHS83 said:
Cheap shot. What did Ozzie do to deserve this?
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Too bad this one isn't as good as the other..............
 
I was hoping that York would kick the winning field goal, but the Cowboys, the most over-hyped team in sports, humiliated themselves at the end.
 
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