CHL Football 2021

I don't see how the example you cited above (with Gorman and Hamilton) in any way supports Irwin20's post-- if anything, it UNDERCUTS his argument.
As for the last sentence-- I TOTALLY agree with that sentiment-- and THAT is the problem that I've had with Wyoming-- for DECADES now-- they've been doing that (TOTALLY UNNECESSARILY) going back to (at least) Bernie Barre's tenure-- it's my biggest pet peeve with Wyoming football-- STOP running up the score on these hapless opponents in the CHL-- it's pathetic and shameful. I assume that Wyoming thinks that running up big stats helps their top offensive players get more (college?) notice-- because it's CERTAINLY NOT necessary to get into the playoffs, and it doesn't win them any games against top teams, when they finally do face those teams in the playoffs.
Not sure how you can't see my point. The team in question was losing by 2 touchdowns with 70 seconds left. All hope seemed lost for them getting a victory. Had he used your way of thinking and taken out all his starters, he could never have come back and won the game. Which they did! Just because YOU believe that they dont have any chance, doesn't mean they don't have any chance. As far as Wyoming running up the score in the past, maybe they did. I simply don't know. What I do know is last week when Wyoming played Finneytown, all of the starters were sitting after the 1st quarter. So the coach obviously didn't run up the score then, and easily could have. Maybe it's time to let the past be in the past. This sounds personal. Maybe it's time for you to let this go. IJS!
 
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I went to a few CHL games when Prater was at Wyoming. It's Wyoming, Indian Hill, then a gap with a combination of: doing the best with what they have, just need more time, to a total joke. (Finneytown) As for all the nonsense about what to do at the end of games. Coaches coach their teams, that's it. Some coaches have different ideas on how to deal with the end of a game that is over. If another coach or a fan is trying to put their rules on another coach it is futile. There could be factors that an opposing coach may have no idea about and it doesn't matter. Coach your team. Parent your children. Have decency and sportsmanship as a fan.
 
Agree, I find it hard to believe that this guy knew it was the coaches wife. Likely a wrong place at the wrong time scenario for her. Exactly, his history is running up the score. And the one comment from pagan on why Wyoming should run up the score on Madeira this year was based on the fact that a couple years ago Madeira tried to slow down the game so Wyoming couldn't run up the score. If a team knows they are outmatched and the opponent has a history of running up the score then it only makes sense that a team may do what it takes to prevent that from happening.
my point was that madeira had the autry kid at qb but ran the ball down 21-3 and did not use their best player, autry, to get back in the game. try and win. and my point about mcnick is that wyo kept their starters in in the 4q and gave themselves a chance. again, try and win.
 
I went to a few CHL games when Prater was at Wyoming. It's Wyoming, Indian Hill, then a gap with a combination of: doing the best with what they have, just need more time, to a total joke. (Finneytown) As for all the nonsense about what to do at the end of games. Coaches coach their teams, that's it. Some coaches have different ideas on how to deal with the end of a game that is over. If another coach or a fan is trying to put their rules on another coach it is futile. There could be factors that an opposing coach may have no idea about and it doesn't matter. Coach your team. Parent your children. Have decency and sportsmanship as a fan.
well said. there are no bright lines. you want seniors to play, you want 1s to get reps, you want players to compete for awards, you want the 2s to play, you want to show sportsmanship, you want to avoid injuries, sometimes you have to consider the playoff points. a lot goes into when to pull you starters, and there is no perfect time.
 
Many times the issue comes with teams that have no JV. For example, if Wyoming or any team that has a big lead against an opponent with low numbers will have their JV/Freshman in versus the opponent's varsity. The opponent does not have the option of subbing because they have no players. So, in that scenario, I see a safety/competitive balance rationale for keeping the varsity players in for a longer period of time than would otherwise be necessary.

Every situation is unique.
 
Agree, I find it hard to believe that this guy knew it was the coaches wife.
This is decidedly NOT the case. The jaggoff in question was talking about her husband directly, not the program. The words 'your husband' were used in his tirade. Also- I find it humorous that the direction of this topic has switched to an indictment on Wyoming's coach versus any real condemnation of a grown man going after a woman. "Likely wrong place at the wrong time for her" WTH? Is there a right place and right time for that?
 
Wow, Reading over Indian Hill! Good for Reading

Mariemont over Taylor - A little surprising based on how Taylor just beat Reading and Mariemont lost to Reading.

Deer Park over Finneytown and Wyoming over Madeira. No surprises there.
 
Reading wins 12-8 at Indian Hill. It was Reading 1st win at Indian Hill since 2003. Tony Pike led Reading to a 3 ot win 38 to 32. The week before Reading had Beaten Wyoming 42 to 12. Reading Played IH and Wyoming back to back in those days.
 
Yea was going to say the same thing!

Taylors Defense has played REALLY well this year (minus the IH game)
Hilvert and Davidson have played lights out!
How would you rank the Defenses in CHL this year? Wyoming clearly #1. Finneytown the cellar. Where do the rest shake out?
 
Wyoming is the clear top as you said!

I would bunch Reading/IH/Taylor in the next tier for sure
Reading gave up 25 to DP minus that they were pretty stingy on D and played great vs IH and Wyoming

IH gave up 30 to Wyoming and 35 to DP

Taylor gave up 42 vs IH after that they were pretty good! held Wyoming to 18pts (lowest total of the year and 1 of Hesters TD was on 4th and 14!)

I would rank the D as follows

1) Wyoming
2) Reading
3) IH
4) Taylor
5) Mariemont
6) madeira
7) DP
8) Finneytown
 
Reading wins 12-8 at Indian Hill. It was Reading 1st win at Indian Hill since 2003. Tony Pike led Reading to a 3 ot win 38 to 32. The week before Reading had Beaten Wyoming 42 to 12. Reading Played IH and Wyoming back to back in those days.
Hats off to Reading!!! Held IH to under 200 yards of total offense! Did Hinton play this game?? I know he was out vs Taylor
 
Yea was going to say the same thing!

Taylors Defense has played REALLY well this year (minus the IH game)
Hilvert and Davidson have played lights out!
and a shame about snowden's arm problems. he is a terrific athlete and the injury a real setback for taylor.
 
Not sure how you can't see my point. The team in question was losing by 2 touchdowns with 70 seconds left. All hope seemed lost for them getting a victory. Had he used your way of thinking and taken out all his starters, he could never have come back and won the game. Which they did! Just because YOU believe that they dont have any chance, doesn't mean they don't have any chance. As far as Wyoming running up the score in the past, maybe they did. I simply don't know. What I do know is last week when Wyoming played Finneytown, all of the starters were sitting after the 1st quarter. So the coach obviously didn't run up the score then, and easily could have. Maybe it's time to let the past be in the past. This sounds personal. Maybe it's time for you to let this go. IJS!
You seem befuddled here, so let me recap this discussion:
1) Irwin20 says that Wyoming should NOT have had its starters still in a game that Wyoming was losing big in the 4th Quarter to McNick-- because he deems that "bad sportsmanship"-- I think that's absurd and ridiculous-- if Wyoming wants to keep its starters in until the game is OVER, trying to either close the gap-- or WIN-- that is COMPLETELY fine-- and I said so... Let McNick's COACH decide if that is a problem-- and, if it EVEN IS, McNick's coach can ALWAYS put his starters back in, to counter Wyoming's decision NOT to concede the game-- it's NOT Wyoming's coach's job to make McNick's coach comfortable with McNIck's decision to take their foot off the gas early.
2) You come in with the story (with which I was ALREADY familiar) about the Gorman/Hamilton game-- in which the Hamilton team managed to come back from a big deficit LATE in a game, to win-- and SOMEHOW, you think that supports Irwin20's point (which was that Wyoming's coach, in Irwin20's opinion, should have pulled his starters and NOT tried his best/hardest to keep trying to win)-- So, I said that your anecdote, if anything UNDERCUTS Irwin20's argument-- it does NOT support it... HOW is that confusing to you?

Bottom line-- I NEVER said "that they (Wyoming) don't have any chance"-- I said "Wyoming, do whatever you want to try to win the game".

As for the (ALSO) nonsensical reference to Wyoming's latest game against Finneytown-- two more things:
1) Wyoming was ALREADY up by ~40 in the first quarter-- so it was hardly some massive concession for Wyoming's coach to pull his starters at that point; and
2) One would HOPE that some of this commentary on this website (about Wyoming CONSTANTLY running up the score needlessly on league [and other] opponents-- which has been seconded by MULTIPLE other posters who follow the CHL here-- has gotten back to Wyoming's coach-- and MAYBE, he's started to feel a little bit sheepish and chastened about the horrific sportsmanship that he (and his predecessor, Bernie Barre) have been displaying for years (decades now). I'd HOPE that he's starting to change his behavior in this area.

I DO know whether Wyoming tends to run up the score on outmatched opponents-- I've been following them for over 30 years now. I'll let it go, when Wyoming stops adding to its victory margin on helpless opponents, once the lead reaches 35-40 points-- there is NO NEED for more than that; take a lesson from the school just up the hill from Wyoming (St. X) and their coach, Steve Specht-- X RARELY ever scores in the second half of games that X leads by 40 points at half time (and which start with a running clock in the second half)-- and NEITHER should Wyoming.
 
This is decidedly NOT the case. The jaggoff in question was talking about her husband directly, not the program. The words 'your husband' were used in his tirade. Also- I find it humorous that the direction of this topic has switched to an indictment on Wyoming's coach versus any real condemnation of a grown man going after a woman. "Likely wrong place at the wrong time for her" WTH? Is there a right place and right time for that?
NO ONE is saying that the treatment of the Wyoming coach's wife was acceptable, regardless of whether the guy who attacked/abused her KNEW who she was or not-- we were just saying that it was quite possible that the guy went after her, because she was dressed in a way that clearly identified her as a Wyoming supporter (not necessarily the coach's wife)-- and the guy was just looking for somebody to vent at/on-- THAT's what was meant by "wrong place at the wrong time"-- maybe you are correct that it was fully informed abuse-- I wasn't there. It's NOT an acceptable way to behave, either way.

Meanwhile, the "indictment" of Wyoming's coach's sportsmanship in games, once his team has established a big (and insurmountable) lead is fully warranted-- he's been doing it for a long time-- just like the guy he learned it from: Bernie Barre.
 
You seem befuddled here, so let me recap this discussion:
1) Irwin20 says that Wyoming should NOT have had its starters still in a game that Wyoming was losing big in the 4th Quarter to McNick-- because he deems that "bad sportsmanship"-- I think that's absurd and ridiculous-- if Wyoming wants to keep its starters in until the game is OVER, trying to either close the gap-- or WIN-- that is COMPLETELY fine-- and I said so... Let McNick's COACH decide if that is a problem-- and, if it EVEN IS, McNick's coach can ALWAYS put his starters back in, to counter Wyoming's decision NOT to concede the game-- it's NOT Wyoming's coach's job to make McNick's coach comfortable with McNIck's decision to take their foot off the gas early.
2) You come in with the story (with which I was ALREADY familiar) about the Gorman/Hamilton game-- in which the Hamilton team managed to come back from a big deficit LATE in a game, to win-- and SOMEHOW, you think that supports Irwin20's point (which was that Wyoming's coach, in Irwin20's opinion, should have pulled his starters and NOT tried his best/hardest to keep trying to win)-- So, I said that your anecdote, if anything UNDERCUTS Irwin20's argument-- it does NOT support it... HOW is that confusing to you?

Bottom line-- I NEVER said "that they (Wyoming) don't have any chance"-- I said "Wyoming, do whatever you want to try to win the game".

As for the (ALSO) nonsensical reference to Wyoming's latest game against Finneytown-- two more things:
1) Wyoming was ALREADY up by ~40 in the first quarter-- so it was hardly some massive concession for Wyoming's coach to pull his starters at that point; and
2) One would HOPE that some of this commentary on this website (about Wyoming CONSTANTLY running up the score needlessly on league [and other] opponents-- which has been seconded by MULTIPLE other posters who follow the CHL here-- has gotten back to Wyoming's coach-- and MAYBE, he's started to feel a little bit sheepish and chastened about the horrific sportsmanship that he (and his predecessor, Bernie Barre) have been displaying for years (decades now). I'd HOPE that he's starting to change his behavior in this area.

I DO know whether Wyoming tends to run up the score on outmatched opponents-- I've been following them for over 30 years now. I'll let it go, when Wyoming stops adding to its victory margin on helpless opponents, once the lead reaches 35-40 points-- there is NO NEED for more than that; take a lesson from the school just up the hill from Wyoming (St. X) and their coach, Steve Specht-- X RARELY ever scores in the second half of games that X leads by 40 points at half time (and which start with a running clock in the second half)-- and NEITHER should Wyoming.
Hmmmmm, it appears I may have been mistaken and we do agree on "some" of these points. Particularly about Wyoming or any other "losing" team should keep their starters in, in an attempt to win. As far as the Finneytown game and it not being a "massive concession" to take the Wyoming starters out doesn't matter and was not the point of discussion. The topic was that Wyoming historically runs up the score on hapless opponents........... PERIOD! I merely gave a counter point that isn't the case. At least not always. BTW all of the starters were out in the Maderia game too by the 4th quarter. So no running up the score there either. 2 games where they could have run up the score and didn't. See a pattern here? You state that you'll let it go when they stop doing it. Well, based on what I'm seeing, that time may be upon you. My guess is that you won't, because bitterness and jealousy are hard to put down. One of the reasons why I've hated the Steelers so much over the years; because they were consistently so damn good. Lol. And let me give you some inside information on St. X and coach Specht, he does run up the score on opponents that he doesn't care for! I know because I've coached for over 20 years and know too many players who went to X who tell me the stories from the inside, so I know better. Your perception is flawed. But of course there is a way to prevent someone from running up the score on you, simply get better! When 2 good teams play, it tends not to happen. BTW I don't see Wyoming winning state this year, so they are going to suffer a loss eventually. Maybe when they lose, you'll feel better and can put that envy and jealousy down. I say this because I always feel better when the Steelers lose. LOL!
 
and a shame about snowden's arm problems. he is a terrific athlete and the injury a real setback for taylor.
Its going to hurt more for Baseball. I heard they are hoping he can DH/hit
but pitching will be out of the question obviously. He was setup to be the ace for sure on what would be a strong junior/senior class Keith , Hall and Kearns are going to have their hands full on the mound for sure!
 
Its going to hurt more for Baseball. I heard they are hoping he can DH/hit
but pitching will be out of the question obviously. He was setup to be the ace for sure on what would be a strong junior/senior class Keith , Hall and Kearns are going to have their hands full on the mound for sure!
i agree. hope it does not hamper snowden if he wants to play baseball in college. and taylor will still be really good in baseball.
 
Disagree on the claim saying Hancock / Wyoming run up score. They put in their subs / jv once their lead is big enough or their starters got adequate playing time. No reason for Wyo subs and jv to monitor their scoring. If you don't like it, get better.
 
Disagree on the claim saying Hancock / Wyoming run up score. They put in their subs / jv once their lead is big enough or their starters got adequate playing time. No reason for Wyo subs and jv to monitor their scoring. If you don't like it, get better.
Agreed. Some people can't seem to get past their obvious jealousy. It's sad really. Either let it go or get better to prevent it from happening
 
What is up with Ty Thornton? Hasn't played in 6 games.
I was wondering the same thing. However, have you noticed that when he was no longer at quarterback that IH has taken off on a nice win streak? No knock on Thorton who is a very good athlete. Just wondering what the difference is now. Did they change anything else?
 
Agreed. Some people can't seem to get past their obvious jealousy. It's sad really. Either let it go or get better to prevent it from happening
So if you accuse Wyoming of running up the score it’s just jealousy? What a simplistic outlook that is. Every time they win big it isn’t because they’ve run up the score, but they do have a history of it. It’s hard juggling getting the first team plenty of playing time, getting jv kids time etc. - nobody denies that but Hancock (and previous coach) both are guilty occasionally. And your hard take of “get better” is ridiculous for small high schools. If your talking pro or power five football, ok, maybe that makes sense. Isn’t it nice that Wyoming is one of the biggest schools in the CHL and clearly gets the most talent year in and year out. So easy to just say get better.
 
So if you accuse Wyoming of running up the score it’s just jealousy? What a simplistic outlook that is. Every time they win big it isn’t because they’ve run up the score, but they do have a history of it. It’s hard juggling getting the first team plenty of playing time, getting jv kids time etc. - nobody denies that but Hancock (and previous coach) both are guilty occasionally. And your hard take of “get better” is ridiculous for small high schools. If your talking pro or power five football, ok, maybe that makes sense. Isn’t it nice that Wyoming is one of the biggest schools in the CHL and clearly gets the most talent year in and year out. So easy to just say get better.
Well, when you accuse someone of doing something, it's just that.....an accusation! And unless you have proof (something someone sitting in the stands could never actually have) then that's all it will ever be. And your belief that you can't just "get better" let's me know that you have never coached sports. Of course you can get better! Instead of watching video games and going on summer vacations, some kids choose to get in the gym. Hence, they "get better". They train all summer to "get better". They eat right to "get better". Coaches go to coaching clinics to "get better". Yes, if you take anything seriously you can "get better". And what are you proposing? To simply give up and never get better? Just keep on losing? If you're not going to play to win, then why play? Football is a dangerous sport, if you're not going to try and be your absolute best, then you probably should pick another sport. And maybe you should do some research before making statements such as "Wyoming is one of the biggest schools in the CHL". Guess what? They're not! Taylor and Finneytown are both bigger. Followed by IH and Wyoming in a virtual tie. Since there are 8 schools in the CHL, I would consider that just about the middle. Schools like IH and Wyoming are not good because they are bigger. They are good because they take it seriously, train, and try to "get better". Maybe your school should too.
 
Hmmmmm, it appears I may have been mistaken and we do agree on "some" of these points. Particularly about Wyoming or any other "losing" team should keep their starters in, in an attempt to win. As far as the Finneytown game and it not being a "massive concession" to take the Wyoming starters out doesn't matter and was not the point of discussion. The topic was that Wyoming historically runs up the score on hapless opponents........... PERIOD! I merely gave a counter point that isn't the case. At least not always. BTW all of the starters were out in the Maderia game too by the 4th quarter. So no running up the score there either. 2 games where they could have run up the score and didn't. See a pattern here? You state that you'll let it go when they stop doing it. Well, based on what I'm seeing, that time may be upon you. My guess is that you won't, because bitterness and jealousy are hard to put down. One of the reasons why I've hated the Steelers so much over the years; because they were consistently so damn good. Lol. And let me give you some inside information on St. X and coach Specht, he does run up the score on opponents that he doesn't care for! I know because I've coached for over 20 years and know too many players who went to X who tell me the stories from the inside, so I know better. Your perception is flawed. But of course there is a way to prevent someone from running up the score on you, simply get better! When 2 good teams play, it tends not to happen. BTW I don't see Wyoming winning state this year, so they are going to suffer a loss eventually. Maybe when they lose, you'll feel better and can put that envy and jealousy down. I say this because I always feel better when the Steelers lose. LOL!
Again, I don't think you have very good information:
1) There is no jealousy on my part of Wyoming-- I am a fan of their team, and I root for them ( and have for ~50 years)-- I'm just embarrassed when they display poor sportsmanship by running up the score on helpless opponents-- it's the only thing I DON'T like about Wyoming's football team.
2) Your sources on St. X's program are either full of it, or somebody's lying (not saying who); I've got TOO MANY sources there, that say the EXACT opposite-- and regardless of what ANYONE says, I can show you the scores of the games this year, last year, and any year that you care to choose from the Specht era at X-- I can show you game after game after game in which, once X established an insurmountable lead, X really just stopped trying to score. I can name you a dozen instances in the last several years (e.g.- Colerain, Olentangy Liberty, Mishiwaka Penn, LaSalle, Eagles Landing, just this year) when X scored ~40+ points in the first half-- and did NOT score in the second half (unless it was a defensive touchdown).
 
Again, I don't think you have very good information:
1) There is no jealousy on my part of Wyoming-- I am a fan of their team, and I root for them ( and have for ~50 years)-- I'm just embarrassed when they display poor sportsmanship by running up the score on helpless opponents-- it's the only thing I DON'T like about Wyoming's football team.
2) Your sources on St. X's program are either full of it, or somebody's lying (not saying who); I've got TOO MANY sources there, that say the EXACT opposite-- and regardless of what ANYONE says, I can show you the scores of the games this year, last year, and any year that you care to choose from the Specht era at X-- I can show you game after game after game in which, once X established an insurmountable lead, X really just stopped trying to score. I can name you a dozen instances in the last several years (e.g.- Colerain, Olentangy Liberty, Mishiwaka Penn, LaSalle, Eagles Landing, just this year) when X scored ~40+ points in the first half-- and did NOT score in the second half (unless it was a defensive touchdown).
Wyoming plays football. Great tradition and great attitude. The "eff you" attitude may make teams hate you but it leads to wins. And I know I'd rather be hated with a bunch of wins.
 
Again, I don't think you have very good information:
1) There is no jealousy on my part of Wyoming-- I am a fan of their team, and I root for them ( and have for ~50 years)-- I'm just embarrassed when they display poor sportsmanship by running up the score on helpless opponents-- it's the only thing I DON'T like about Wyoming's football team.
2) Your sources on St. X's program are either full of it, or somebody's lying (not saying who); I've got TOO MANY sources there, that say the EXACT opposite-- and regardless of what ANYONE says, I can show you the scores of the games this year, last year, and any year that you care to choose from the Specht era at X-- I can show you game after game after game in which, once X established an insurmountable lead, X really just stopped trying to score. I can name you a dozen instances in the last several years (e.g.- Colerain, Olentangy Liberty, Mishiwaka Penn, LaSalle, Eagles Landing, just this year) when X scored ~40+ points in the first half-- and did NOT score in the second half (unless it was a defensive touchdown).
Perhaps, I have misjudged you. So, am I to assume that your insurmountable lead has to be at least 40 points then? If that's your barometer then you may be correct. I would think that maybe 35 or even 30 could be seen by some as being insurmountable. Heck maybe even 20, depending upon the time left in the game. And I stand by what I said about X. I have inside information as well. But let's just look at the St. X and Moeller game this year. St. X was up 42 to 16 in the 3rd quarter. Beating them so bad that they used a running clock. And all the St.X starters were still in! So, I believe your argument would be that, since it wasn't 40 points it was ok that St.X left their starters in, huh? Because a 26 point lead with a running clock is not "insurmountable". Some would see a 26 point lead with a running clock, in the 4th quarter with the starters still in as running up the score. But, of course, it wasn't 40 "insurmountable" points so they get a pass, huh? But be careful, because to my knowledge Wyoming hasn't beaten anyone by 40 points this year ( other than Finneytown in which we agree all the starters were out after the 1st quarter). Therefore, if 40 insurmountable points is your measuring stick, then they haven't run up the score the entire year. IJS.
 
Well, when you accuse someone of doing something, it's just that.....an accusation! And unless you have proof (something someone sitting in the stands could never actually have) then that's all it will ever be. And your belief that you can't just "get better" let's me know that you have never coached sports. Of course you can get better! Instead of watching video games and going on summer vacations, some kids choose to get in the gym. Hence, they "get better". They train all summer to "get better". They eat right to "get better". Coaches go to coaching clinics to "get better". Yes, if you take anything seriously you can "get better". And what are you proposing? To simply give up and never get better? Just keep on losing? If you're not going to play to win, then why play? Football is a dangerous sport, if you're not going to try and be your absolute best, then you probably should pick another sport. And maybe you should do some research before making statements such as "Wyoming is one of the biggest schools in the CHL". Guess what? They're not! Taylor and Finneytown are both bigger. Followed by IH and Wyoming in a virtual tie. Since there are 8 schools in the CHL, I would consider that just about the middle. Schools like IH and Wyoming are not good because they are bigger. They are good because they take it seriously, train, and try to "get better". Maybe your school should too.
Wow, are you way off base! Wyoming is way bigger than Finneytown. Where did you get that fake news?
 
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