I have mixed feelings about breaking up the Core Four before we see what a new, hopefully better, coach can do with the group. On the other hand, decisions need to be made regarding player contracts and we probably don't have the luxury of automatically keeping the group together another year with new leadership. That's why they pay Altman the big bucks. I think the first thing that must happen is to get the new coach in place and make sure it's a coach Mitchell is comfortable with and vice versa. Then you have a better idea of what to do with the rest.
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wolves82
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Agreed - need more size.
As long as it is not Allen - if all the news is true he refused to "take one for the team" and no team needs that type of guy on the roster.
nwwarrior09
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They have a lot of redundancy between Mitchell/Garland and Mobley/Allen. Not all of it is bad, i.e. defensive flexibility having two long/athletic big guys.
Offensive efficiency should improve if two of them are downsized and replaced by one 6-7+ guy that can score. Unclogs the lane (1 PNR screener instead of 2), and gives higher usage and better flow to the one guard.
A competent coach would improve the offense a lot by subtracting 1 guard and 1 big while adding a wing scorer.
Offensive efficiency should improve if two of them are downsized and replaced by one 6-7+ guy that can score. Unclogs the lane (1 PNR screener instead of 2), and gives higher usage and better flow to the one guard.
A competent coach would improve the offense a lot by subtracting 1 guard and 1 big while adding a wing scorer.
The Pelicans apparently do, and if it brings Ingram to CLE…good riddance to Allen.
They can find a space eating big. The Knicks found about eight of them - haha. They can be had, especially when you don’t need them to score.
Both of them?
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OldSoulon
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His only excuse for not playing is if the ribs were actually broken
Cedar_Point
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It’s the same argument that I tell people that want to fire Ryan Day. Who do replace them with that is better?
Wildcat97
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There is not a perfect candidate. But, if the leaks are true, and the ownership chooses him to the potential detriment of keeping Mitchell, then Gilbert might be hitting some drugs to make such a decision
There are several candidates more accomplished than JB, IMO. Scott Brooks, Brett Brown, Frank Vogel, Terry Stotts and Mark Jackson would all be improvements, IMO.
Cedar_Point
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Maybe, maybe not. There’s no way of knowing. Like you said, that’s an opinion.
Obviously a lot has to do with who Mitchell feels comfortable with and if their system best fits him and Mobley, since everyone else is replaceable.
Cedar_Point
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Agreed. Kinda makes me think Quinn Snyder is in play
nwwarrior09
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J.B. just won his first playoff series and has 7 full years under his belt.
Everything he's done has been a rebuilding project. Until now. Per the comments that have leaked out, it would seem he was unaware/under aware that there needed to be a pivot towards higher expectations. Guys that have actually made playoff runs are available to be hired.
I like him, but isn’t he coaching ATL?
Cedar_Point
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He is
I saw a rumor online where he goes back to the Hawks and reunites with Snyder and pairs with Dejaunte Murray. Trae Young would come to the Cavs.
Tre Young? No thanks..you might as well keep Garland…he weighs 20 pounds and plays less defense than Darius. Not sure I have a problem with JB…unless these were the expectations but I think that trickles down from upstairs. Get rid of Mobley…keep Thompson as the back up 5… need a 4 that can actually score…we also need a bigger guard or wing…you just can’t play a 6 foot backcourt like you can’t play 2 bigs unless one can shoot like a Horford or Turner. Not sure how much of that is on JB or pressure from upstairs to make draft pics work? Without some changes we end up same as this year…Mitchell needs to set a tone on what he wants/expects…then maybe he stays
I do not think the Cavs would want Trae Young for Mitchell. That just some Hawks writer dreaming about reuniting Mitchell with Quin Snyder.
Mobley isn’t going anywhere, so get used to it. I’m sure a new coach, or even JB, will be told to flow some offense through Mobley. I wouldn’t worry much about Mobley and Allen together. I’ll be shocked if Allen isn’t traded. Darius probably gets traded the second Mitchell signs his extension.
JB coming back is probably 50/50 or lower.
An interesting offseason.
nwwarrior09
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J.B. has been fired.
He was the right guy to help a young team learn the ropes of being an NBA pro, but I never felt he had the chops to lead them beyond that phase. So he accomplished most of his mission and I wish him luck. His family is basically NBA royalty, so he won't be unemployed for long. His role, like his dad's was, will probably be to coach teams that are in youth movements.
cabezadecaballo
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JB is out.
Now, they need to package DG's crap contract and JA's favorable contract and trade them to someone, somehow. We can't start two finesse bigs that can't stretch with threat of a 3. We can't start two short guards, ESPECIALLY when one won't/can't EVEN TRY to defend.
Then we need to dump Koby Altman, who made this "can't reach the top" mess, because he has no idea how to assemble an NBA team that can win in the playoffs.
Now, they need to package DG's crap contract and JA's favorable contract and trade them to someone, somehow. We can't start two finesse bigs that can't stretch with threat of a 3. We can't start two short guards, ESPECIALLY when one won't/can't EVEN TRY to defend.
Then we need to dump Koby Altman, who made this "can't reach the top" mess, because he has no idea how to assemble an NBA team that can win in the playoffs.
I hope they have a good idea of who they're going to hire.
I'm assuming Altman is keeping his job, otherwise he would've been the first domino to fall. It doesn't seem right that he's the guy who built the inflexible roster, yet JB pays the price. This offseason certainly won't be boring.
cabezadecaballo
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Why does Koby see such "grace"?
I'm not sure how to answer that. I feel like he's done a good job of acquiring individual talent, but it hasn't necessarily meshed at times. Gilbert's decision at the end of the day.
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cabezadecaballo
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I don't think that he actually sees a comprehensive team unit forming in his mind when he examines players. He seems too stat-driven, and unable to see the "HOW" a player built his own personal stats within the function of a different previous team dynamic, but I arrive there in my opinion BY his "mismatched parts" chosen to date. I like player personnel people that played long enough at a high enough level to develop a "feel" for such things to have the final authority in selecting players.
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ESPN’s Brian Windhorst joined ESPN Cleveland to discuss the news. “I’m not sure that Koby really wanted to fire (Bickerstaff). I think he just realized kind of as he’s saying there (in his statement), he just kind of felt like he had to because he felt like he wasn’t sure the team could get to the next level under the current situation,” Windhorst said.
“Still not sure why Koby Altman is definitively safe,” Ben Axelrod of Awful Announcing posted.
“Cleveland could do far worse than hiring Kenny Atkinson. Often seen as the best assistant in the #NBA, did a fine job as head coach of the #Nets (where he developed current #Cavs Jarrett Allen and Caris LeVert) and will absolutely not be out worked by anybody. #gsw #cavaliers,” Brian Lewis of the New York Post posted.
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ESPN’s Brian Windhorst joined ESPN Cleveland to discuss the news. “I’m not sure that Koby really wanted to fire (Bickerstaff). I think he just realized kind of as he’s saying there (in his statement), he just kind of felt like he had to because he felt like he wasn’t sure the team could get to the next level under the current situation,” Windhorst said.
“Still not sure why Koby Altman is definitively safe,” Ben Axelrod of Awful Announcing posted.
“Cleveland could do far worse than hiring Kenny Atkinson. Often seen as the best assistant in the #NBA, did a fine job as head coach of the #Nets (where he developed current #Cavs Jarrett Allen and Caris LeVert) and will absolutely not be out worked by anybody. #gsw #cavaliers,” Brian Lewis of the New York Post posted.
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