eastisbest
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Question came up about how high school handles a conversion safety. NCAA and NFL awards one point. What happens in high school if Defense on a try gets a turn-over in field of play, then gets tackled in the end-zone?
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Mr. Slippery
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Not a ref here, but I am fairly certain the play is dead as soon as the defense gains possession on a point after try under NFHS rules.
It's the same way on any turnovers in OT also.
FIFY.
AllSports12
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Answer the question based on the situation presented. When answers are given that don't pertain the the situation presented, it only tends to snowball out of control.FIFY.
See most Facebook officiating groups for proof of this.
AllSports12
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Correct
AllSports12
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I need to expand on this because I didn't see the question of the 1pt safety addressed. As noted prior, once the ball is possessed by B on a try (or in overtime) the ball becomes dead. Also note..... B can never score on a try.
That said, yes a 1pt safety awarded to Team A is a possibility under NFHS Rules. It occurs only when on a try Team B provides a new force to a live loose football into the end zone and Team A then possesses the football in the end zone. Here's an example....
Case Book - 8.3.3 SITUATION A:
During a try, a fumble by A1 is nearly at rest on the 3-yard line when a muff by B1 is judged by the game official to be a new force causing the ball to go into B's end zone where B2 recovers and: (a) downs the ball in the end zone; or (b) advances to his 10-yardline.
RULING:
The try ends and the ball becomes dead when B2 recovers. In any ordinary down, such a dead ball would be a safety, therefore, one point is scored for A in both (a) and (b)
The kicker here is "judged by the game official to be a new force causing the ball to go into B's end zone"
Sorry for the delay in getting to this.
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Can you help me understand situation (b). What is the relevance of returning the ball to the 10 yard line and why would that also be awarded as a safety if Team B returned the ball out of the end zone?
Maybe I am misunderstanding.
This is an interesting rule that I have never heard of, appreciate the insight.
SPD7171
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Am I correct in assuming that a fumble can't be advanced in the final 2 minutes except by the player who fumbled? The QB on my son's team fumbled with about 45 seconds left in the game and it was picked up by a offensive lineman and he got tackled at the 1. Of course, we all wanted the big man to score but I kept thinking that the ball couldn't be advanced.
The opposing coach never questioned it as it wouldn't have affected the outcome of the game. Our team just let the clock run out on the next play because we were winning.
The opposing coach never questioned it as it wouldn't have affected the outcome of the game. Our team just let the clock run out on the next play because we were winning.
AllSports12
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No, you are not.
Under NFHS Rules, there are no restrictions on advancing fumbles. Should there be a "planned loose ball", no player from Team A may advance that loose ball in the vicinity of the snapper.
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oxat622
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Didn't that happen in the Bengals Steelers game? Burrow got strip sacked and Perine recovered for the offense and ran it forward, but they disallowed the run. NFL-only rule?
NFL and NCAA fumble rules are both different from NFHS (and different from each other), and more restrictive.
As already stated, HS football has no restrictions on advancing a fumble.
AllSports12
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The NFL rule regarding fumbles was discussed in post #2946 in this thread
Yes.
AllSports12
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Does anyone think we will see some of the lower level rules/options that we find in JV/Freshmen applied to Varsity in the near future? For example, in the JV if coaches agree to not have kickoffs, then they do not have to. At the Freshmen level there are no kickoffs and you have the option not to punt at any time during the game. Instead of a punt, the ball exchanges possession 35 yards away from the previous LOS. The "no punt rule" makes it easier for coaches to play field position, but I have talked to some refs that are a little murky on the rule. I also cannot seem to find it in the rule book. So is it just unwritten?
AllSports12
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It's not in the NFHS Rule book, nor is it a modification to the OHSAA Football Regulations. It's a directive from the Director of Officiating and the Director of Development for Football.
The reason why officials are murky on the "rule" is because the initial instructions to the officials were murky. After much consternation, it now boils down to this....
......If both coaches agree that punts will not be executed, they will decide how the ball will be placed. It could vary game to game, week to week. (much like summer baseball.... the flavor of the day) Officials have no say whatsoever in this decision. Pesonally, I have no problem with the last part, as we don't have any say in the rules. However, I wish the directive carried a specific procedure to handle this.
It won't happen at the varsity level unless it becomes an adoption approved by the NFHS.
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devilbuck98
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Since it is all "murky" was there a directive for clock operation on the "punt"? We experienced this for the first time this weekend and it resulted in the refs yelling up to the confused clock operator to run the clock while they marked off the yardage on the fictitious play.
It's quite confusing when you go from a third down incompletion to the refs walking down the field making a winding motion with no explanation.
AllSports12
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Zero.
It's up to the coaches when they decide before the game.
Which is why I noted that personally, I have no problem with a rule/regulation/option regarding punts at the lower levels. I just wish there was a uniform procedure to address it.
Honestly, I don't see a problem with taking 10 seconds off the clock, marking off the yardage, then changing possession. I am also under the assumption that a coach can choose to or not to punt physically at any time during the game. Crazy.
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HSSR091721
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Rules question ... if there is a running clock. When does the clock actually stop? From what I have been told, there are really 4 reasons the clock will still stop. 1- Team charged time out. 2- Injury Timeout 3- Officials Time Out 4- Change of Possession. What is the ruling on these?
AllSports12
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There are 6 instances in which the clock stops under the OHSAA Point Differential Rule ....
- an official's time out for an injured player
- a charged time out is called
- a change of possession occurs at the end of a down
- at the end of a period
- a score occurs
- an extended delay
The game clock will start on the ready for play after each of the above
AllSports12
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If the whistle was blown while the ball was loose, then by rule, team last in possession may choose to take the ball at the spot where the ball was fumbled or replay the down.
danville96
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Team A has the ball, 3 and 5 and team B sacks the QB 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage but in doing so, commits a 5 yard face mask penalty. Mark 5 off from the spot of the foul or from the line of scrimmage?
Since the QB did not throw the ball, for penalty enforcement this is considered a running play.
This penalty is enforced from the end of the run.
Spot fouls are only on the team with the ball.
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AllSports12
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An inadvertent whistle is one of the worst things that can occur with an officiating crew. It's embarrassing, it's humiliating............................ and it's human.
The rule is written to correct this error in the most equitable manner possible. (one team will always think they got jobbed twice)
While the crew committed a big mistake, the handled it properly. The only thing worse than an inadvertent whistle for a crew is to incorrectly apply the rule that applies to it.