2024 Three Rivers conference

Ranking the top 5 TRC and WOAC teams by their Fantastic 50 scores:

Preble Shawnee (WOAC) - 108.6
Northridge (TRC) - 106.3
Ansonia (WOAC) - 103.5
Lehman (TRC) - 102.0
Milton Union (TRC) - 100.2
Miami East (TRC) - 98.7
Tri Village (WOAC) - 93.8
Riverside (TRC) - 83.7
Arcanum (WOAC) - 73.1
TVS (WOAC) - 66.5
 
And putting all 18 teams in there:

Preble Shawnee (WOAC) - 108.6
Northridge (TRC) - 106.3
Ansonia (WOAC) - 103.5
Lehman (TRC) - 102.0
Milton Union (TRC) - 100.2
Miami East (TRC) - 98.7
Tri Village (WOAC) - 93.8
Riverside (TRC) - 83.7
Arcanum (WOAC) - 73.1
Covington (TRC) - 70.2
Bethel (TRC) - 70.2
TVS (WOAC) - 66.5
NT (WOAC) - 62.3
TCN (WOAC) - 43.7
MV (WOAC) - 40.4
TC (TRC) - 33.0
Bradford (WOAC) - 25.6
Dixie (WOAC) - 24.9

Using an objective source (Fantastic 50), I don't know how anyone could make a credible argument that the WOAC is better than the TRC this year.
 
Flevans said:
Ranking the top 5 TRC and WOAC teams by their Fantastic 50 scores:

Preble Shawnee (WOAC) - 108.6
Northridge (TRC) - 106.3
Ansonia (WOAC) - 103.5
Lehman (TRC) - 102.0
Milton Union (TRC) - 100.2
Miami East (TRC) - 98.7
Tri Village (WOAC) - 93.8
Riverside (TRC) - 83.7
Arcanum (WOAC) - 73.1
TVS (WOAC) - 66.5
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Thanks, I was about to look those up , I don't know if my brain averages scores like a computer, but that is very close to where I would put them, in order, should I have made an attempt.
 
So, on paper it looks like Northridge should win the conference, does Lehman have a chance? They have a better record.
 
D4fan said:
So, on paper it looks like Northridge should win the conference, does Lehman have a chance? They have a better record.
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Northridge has some good athletes and the way they run the ball can Lehman stop them enough to have offensive opportunities? How do the Polar Bears handle beating Milton for the first time in forever? I think Northridge comes out and controls the game by running the ball and when Lehman loads the box to stop it they will throw over the top. Polar Bears must limit turnovers. Northridge wins the 3Rivers and they will be celebrating on North Dixie. Bob Smith has done a wonder job this year and I hope he wins because he deserves it for his dedication to Northridge. Northridge 35 Lehman Cath 28
 
OldSchoolDC said:
Northridge has some good athletes and the way they run the ball can Lehman stop them enough to have offensive opportunities? How do the Polar Bears handle beating Milton for the first time in forever? I think Northridge comes out and controls the game by running the ball and when Lehman loads the box to stop it they will throw over the top. Polar Bears must limit turnovers. Northridge wins the 3Rivers and they will be celebrating on North Dixie. Bob Smith has done a wonder job this year and I hope he wins because he deserves it for his dedication to Northridge. Northridge 35 Lehman Cath 28
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Thanks for your insight. I'm actually glad you didn't touch the "they have a better record" comment, as we both know that has absolutely nothing to do with who wins this game. Just thought I would throw it out there as sometimes you will hear people say " Lehman only has one loss, and it was to a MAC school".
 
ghsknightsfan said:
i remember a number of people on here calling for the Northridge coach to go this off-season? some must not realize that running a program and winning at Northridge is tough as it is.
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Bob Smith is a Northridge guy through and through. He has dedicated his life to that area and school. He graduated from Northridge and then came back after college and has been a steady influence for the last 40 years. No one can question is dedication and desire to do what is right for those kids. When normal coaches would have gotten frustrated and quit for greener pastures, Bob has stayed the course. He deserves everyone's respect for that alone. I want Northridge to win the Conference title and I hope they carry Bob off the field on the teams shoulders. It couldn't happen to a better person and coach. Go Polar Bears!
 
Roaderfan said:
So what exactly has the TRC done in the playoffs to say they're much better than the WOAC? Besides MU getting to a Regional final a couple years ago, who else has made it past round 2? Ansonia lost to ML in Regional final last year and to New Bremen by 4 in round 3 in 22. Both were state champs. PS lost in Regional final in 21. TV made round 3 a couple years ago. Ansonia could meet Lehman in round 2 this year. Would like to see that matchup.
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Riverside made it to regional semi finals in 21 and lost to Marion Local.
 
ghsknightsfan said:
i remember a number of people on here calling for the Northridge coach to go this off-season? some must not realize that running a program and winning at Northridge is tough as it is.
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He’s been the head coach since 99’ don’t you think he’s overdue for his 1st conference championship? And he’s had way more talented teams and athletes. So one championship in 25 years in subpar leagues is not saying much and it’s not like the SWBL or the TRC are juggernaut leagues especially in the era where playoffs been expanding since 2000. And the basketball program has had 2 regional runs in 10 years with the same kids. I’d say he’s underachieved. I could go on but that’s enough for now.
 
Zezzo! said:
He’s been the head coach since 99’ don’t you think he’s overdue for his 1st conference championship? And he’s had way more talented teams and athletes. So one championship in 25 years in subpar leagues is not saying much and it’s not like the SWBL or the TRC are juggernaut leagues especially in the era where playoffs been expanding since 2000. And the basketball program has had 2 regional runs in 10 years with the same kids. I’d say he’s underachieved. I could go on but that’s enough for now.
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Definitely wouldnt call the SWBL (99-08) subpar by any stretch of the imagination. MAC level ofc not but very tough games with teams making deep runs in the play-offs.
 
Zezzo! said:
He’s been the head coach since 99’ don’t you think he’s overdue for his 1st conference championship?
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Considering the conference they were in for a vast majority of those 25 years, no. The only way Northridge would ever have a chance at winning the SWBL was if the 2 or 3 perennially decent teams in their division happened to be bad at the same time.

I think Northridge's problem is that it's impossible to keep talented athletes there. They're bordered by several much larger districts with better....everything... so athletes likely just transfer putting them in a perpetual state of "do more with less".

The only way they were ever going to win a league title was to move to a weaker conference. Which is what happened.

This is a pointless argument to make, but I'd wager if you took this current Northridge team and placed them in the ~2004 SWBL they'd probably be the third best team in their side of the division.

2004 SWBL (Buckeye) would've been:
Dixie
Preble
Carlisle
Madison
Ridge
Waynesville

They also would've had a few crossover games from the SW side:
Brookville
Milton
Eaton
Valley View
Oakwood
Bellbrook

Depending on how their non-con/crossover games fell, they could just as easily be 2-8/3-7 if they were still in the SWBL.
 
ghsknightsfan said:
i remember a number of people on here calling for the Northridge coach to go this off-season? some must not realize that running a program and winning at Northridge is tough as it is.
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I said it and I will say it again. He needs to go. I have respect for the man. His dedication to the school is not in question. It is just time to go.
 
Zezzo! said:
He’s been the head coach since 99’ don’t you think he’s overdue for his 1st conference championship? And he’s had way more talented teams and athletes. So one championship in 25 years in subpar leagues is not saying much and it’s not like the SWBL or the TRC are juggernaut leagues especially in the era where playoffs been expanding since 2000. And the basketball program has had 2 regional runs in 10 years with the same kids. I’d say he’s underachieved. I could go on but that’s enough for now.
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I totally agree.
 
The Punisher said:
Considering the conference they were in for a vast majority of those 25 years, no. The only way Northridge would ever have a chance at winning the SWBL was if the 2 or 3 perennially decent teams in their division happened to be bad at the same time.

I think Northridge's problem is that it's impossible to keep talented athletes there. They're bordered by several much larger districts with better....everything... so athletes likely just transfer putting them in a perpetual state of "do more with less".

The only way they were ever going to win a league title was to move to a weaker conference. Which is what happened.

This is a pointless argument to make, but I'd wager if you took this current Northridge team and placed them in the ~2004 SWBL they'd probably be the third best team in their side of the division.

2004 SWBL (Buckeye) would've been:
Dixie
Preble
Carlisle
Madison
Ridge
Waynesville

They also would've had a few crossover games from the SW side:
Brookville
Milton
Eaton
Valley View
Oakwood
Bellbrook

Depending on how their non-con/crossover games fell, they could just as easily be 2-8/3-7 if they were still in the SWBL.
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Athletes at Northridge don’t transfer out most stay there because they don’t have the resources, if anything they get more athletes transferring in than leaving. It’s been open enrollment for at least 15 years. Northridge has always been a”diamond in the rough”, with the right direction. The problem is you have the same people calling the shots since before the great Jim Pollard and they don’t care! that’s why Smiths’ been there since at least 1990 as head or assistant , he’s a great guy that’s been allowed to be comfortable for at least 4 decades and he’s a teacher. It’s never mattered to the administrators or community if he win or loses. They’ve had some of the best athletes in the area throughout the years but the leadership they’ve had has been terrible. It’s a travesty what’s going on over there because they’ve always had talent and always had great facilities.
 
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Zezzo! said:
Athletes at Northridge don’t transfer out most stay there because they don’t have the resources, if anything they get more athletes transferring in than leaving. It’s been open enrollment for at least 15 years. Northridge has always been a”diamond in the rough”, with the right direction. The problem is you have the same people calling the shots since before the great Jim Pollard and they don’t care! that’s why Smiths’ been there since at least 1990 as head or assistant , he’s a great guy that’s been allowed to be comfortable for at least 4 decades and he’s a teacher. It’s never mattered to the administrators or community if he win or loses. They’ve had some of the best athletes in the area throughout the years but the leadership they’ve had has been terrible. It’s a travesty what’s going on over there because they’ve always had talent and always had great facilities.
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Homie said:
I said it and I will say it again. He needs to go. I have respect for the man. His dedication to the school is not in question. It is just time to go.
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You both may be right, but the grass ain't always greener. The deck seems stacked against them if you ask me.
 
Zezzo! said:
Athletes at Northridge don’t transfer out most stay there because they don’t have the resources, if anything they get more athletes transferring in than leaving. It’s been open enrollment for at least 15 years. Northridge has always been a”diamond in the rough”, with the right direction. The problem is you have the same people calling the shots since before the great Jim Pollard and they don’t care! that’s why Smiths’ been there since at least 1990 as head or assistant , he’s a great guy that’s been allowed to be comfortable for at least 4 decades and he’s a teacher. It’s never mattered to the administrators or community if he win or loses. They’ve had some of the best athletes in the area throughout the years but the leadership they’ve had has been terrible. It’s a travesty what’s going on over there because they’ve always had talent and always had great facilities.
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I see your point. You likely have a much better understanding of the situation than most of us on here. The flip side though, is someone may take his spot, have a few struggling years and leave the boys in the community in worse shape than now if they cut and run.

Someone who has given as much to his community as he has, with no real personal accolades from a top performing program, is a winner in my book. That's just my perception, I only met him one time and that was on the field during a game, so we didn't talk. I did observe a charismatic man who was passionate about his kids, and encouraged them to the end.
 
OldSchoolDC said:
Northridge has some good athletes and the way they run the ball can Lehman stop them enough to have offensive opportunities? How do the Polar Bears handle beating Milton for the first time in forever? I think Northridge comes out and controls the game by running the ball and when Lehman loads the box to stop it they will throw over the top. Polar Bears must limit turnovers. Northridge wins the 3Rivers and they will be celebrating on North Dixie. Bob Smith has done a wonder job this year and I hope he wins because he deserves it for his dedication to Northridge. Northridge 35 Lehman Cath 28
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Milton would have made that a completely different game in the first half. They were up 14-8 with the ball on Northridge’s 25 possibly to go up two scores. Dogs turn it over Northridge gets td. Next series another turnover and td before half Northridge up at half 20-14, big change ingame
 
dogsdogsdogs said:
Milton would have made that a completely different game in the first half. They were up 14-8 with the ball on Northridge’s 25 possibly to go up two scores. Dogs turn it over Northridge gets td. Next series another turnover and td before half Northridge up at half 20-14, big change ingame
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So your saying if Northridge didn't make plays and capitalize on those turnovers with points the game would have been different. I agree, but here we are and the 2nd half happened as well. Northridge won the game, it was not given away by Milton.
 
OldSchoolDC said:
So your saying if Northridge didn't make plays and capitalize on those turnovers with points the game would have been different. I agree, but here we are and the 2nd half happened as well. Northridge won the game, it was not given away by Milton.
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Never said that! Sensitive much? Never said Milton gave the game away, I stated it would have been a different game. Northridge easily was the better team.
 
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