The story you have been told about that event is grossly inaccurate. The "fan" and "alum", Max Foley, is an clown. He went to the sideline fence and from a couple feet away berated the offensive players and coaches with profanity. Parents approached him and told him to sit down and when it appeared he was going to cross the fence onto the sideline he was met by coaches/staff looking to protect the players but was restrained and escorted out by parents. Regardless of the team's performance, you are a special kind of idiot to scream and charge at 15-17 year old kids and HS coaches. If Moeller coaches told Matt he was a coward, I couldn't agree more. Other parents in attendance described Matt as "sick", "disgusting", "loser" and "embarrassing." The only action Moeller administration should take is banning Matt Foley from campus and all Moeller functions. Debated on replying to this at all, just not the right forum, but what you were told is wrong. Won't reply any further regarding this issue as not to dignify that one "fan's" behavior.
2020 Football
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TraditionNeverGraduates
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Anyone reading the first account (like me), realized that the story probably was not accurate. About 80% of what you read on these boards is BS anyway. Sounds like the "fan" had attended a cocktail part pre-game.
One thing I would love the AD to do would be to try to fill the remaining available weeks with games from other teams out of the playoffs. How about a Moe vs Princeton game at Moe on a Saturday afternoon. Or Moe vs Eds would be fun. And then there is still Highlands. Looks like Moe could have 4 more games this season.
FourthAndOne
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I will be surprised if Moeller plays anymore games. I don't think the football program is priority #1 at Moeller right now.
I would be surprised if they schedule a game for this week. It would be nice to see Mason, Fairfield, East or Princeton step up and play. Each one of those GMC schools seeded us 16 out of 16 teams in Region 4 at the Seeding Meeting prior to the Playoffs. In regards to my post about the incident Friday night that makes sense....two sides to a story. If what Racer is saying is true it still doesn't sit well with me that Coach Elder is texting/tweeting the fan and calling him a "coward". Again this isn't what Moeller is about. If anyone in their profession would do something like that, and have the performance that Coach Elder has had this year, they would be fired. I hope they/we can get things figured out with the football program because it's been way too long since we have been competitive and I just don't understand that. GBM!
Vincent and Regina
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For what is is worth, Moeller has been on Highlands schedule for a few months now. https://scoreboard.12dt.com/scoreboard/khsaa/kyfb20/?id=83656
This has been another disappointing season. If the coach was tweeting/texting a fan with name calling, that is just not acceptable. If anything, you let Asbeck deal with the guy. I know the expectations weren’t high this year, but it is tough to watch this program continue to struggle so much. I can’t figure out if their players are so much inferior to their opponents or if they are simply out coached consistently. It seems like X’s coaches had the perfect play called on both sides of the ball Friday night. On most of their scores, the X player would not have been down if they were playing two hand touch. How motivated are these kids going to be to continue playing games? What is the point? I think we all know what is going to happen if they play Ed’s or even Princeton. The defense has not been able to stop much this year. The offense has not been able to move the ball except for a game or two. It hasn’t been good.
I know we are all disappointed in the program lately, but it isn't going to get any better if they turn in their pads and give up. I'd bet the seniors would love to play some more games this season. And there is nothing like actual game experience to get the young guys better for next year. Maybe they can even win a game or 2 to have something to build on and end the season on a positive note. Just some thoughts.
One of the differences that I have observed between Moeller, Elder and St X during the past 20+ years is the fan support (or lack thereof) of the head football coach. St X and Elder fans are certainly not always happy with Specht and Ramsey but there does not seem to be the vocal criticism that the various head coaches of Moeller have received. It may be that Faust set such a high bar for any coach who followed him, but it seems like every coach from Klonne to Crable to Rodenberg (even with two state titles) never endeared themselves with the fan base or parents. The public criticism seemed to spill over into the program and impact the players. I think this impacts the talent pool as parents may be turned off by the conflict within the program. I think it is safe to say that since their last state title in 2013 the talent level at Moeller has been less than that of the other three GCL schools.
Winning certainly cures a lot of problems, but I think for Moeller they need to get behind the head coach and create some stability within the coaching ranks and programs if they expect to win at a level that they are accustomed to
Winning certainly cures a lot of problems, but I think for Moeller they need to get behind the head coach and create some stability within the coaching ranks and programs if they expect to win at a level that they are accustomed to
FourthAndOne
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I don't think Football is the #1 sport at Moeller and it is the root of the problem. You mention folks not being supportive enough of the Football Head Coaches, I would include the Moeller administration in that category. The Mclaughlin situation is going to haunt Moeller for a long time. Moeller could of landed Mclaughlin if the Football program was a priority over the Basketball program.
Moe Fan, you say earlier that a lady assaulted a male fan at the Game? The “crazy” or “cowardly” fan(s) should be dealt with by Game Management and Moeller admin, not any Coaches. We all know these “super fans” can be extremely hard to deal with, any Coach that approaches that fan(s) is just asking for trouble imo. Nothing will good will come from these confrontations.
New coach or not this team has not been competitive this year. This team looks no different this year than it did last year. They can't stop anyone giving up 32 points per game and the offense is pathetic. Last year Naumann said "we are young". This year Elder says the same thing "we are young". When are the excuses going to stop? There is enough talent in the program, young or upper classman, for this team to be competitive and to win some games. I don't see them being competitive against St. Ed's, if there is a game this week, but they should be competitive against Highlands. Let's start being competitive and stop with the excuses. The players and fan base deserve better. GBM!
MoeDude
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It is sad to see some of these stories about the football program. It's hard to understand how you could go from being one of the top programs in the nation to one that struggles just to get a decent win year in and year out. I do think the switch was made a few years ago, to be a basketball school versus being a football school. It's kind of sad that a meeting of the minds couldn't have been reached at some middle ground to maintain both football and basketball. I do remember though when Coach Faust was both AD and Football Coach the basketball program used to complain that too many decisions were made to benefit football and not basketball. I guess the pendulum has swung to the basketball side. Could it be that to maintain a balance a head coach should not also be AD or Principal?
If you have attended every game the last three years, as I have, you'd realize your statements are mostly wrong. First, the status of the program is embarrassing and is a result of poor management/oversight (Asbeck) and decision making (head coach selection) by Hyzdu. Four coaches in four years has taken a toll in numerous ways and the rebuild will likely be long. With the exception of two games, this team is far more competitive. The offense, while not dynamic, is significantly better than 2018 team - which won the GCL. The difference is the 2018 team had a stellar defense that only gave up 18 pts per game (less than 14 in the first 7 games). Winning is the only measure that counts and this year is the same as last year, which is disappointing. But this team is far improved over last year and continued to improve this season, granted last week was a big step backwards. Nauman in a bizarre fashion said every week was "great" despite being blown out and the season was a "success." Complete opposite, Elder has taken blame for issues, on multiple occasions said he needs to do better and said the record is unacceptable. Is the team young, yes because the coaching changes have driven players out of the program and school. Establish a process, a system, a culture for more than a couple years and the retention of players will improve and the wins will come. Thanks to Hyzdu's poor oversight and coaching selections these kids and teams never stood a chance. Moving forward, with time, I think Elder will have success.
Asbeck is nothing but a puppet and I agree with you that Hyzdu has made poor decisions. Rosfeld over McLaughlin I don't know if I would have done that but Rosfeld did win the GCL in a year that the league was down so good for us. If the NFL didn't come calling Rosfeld would still be the head coach and that would be good. Naumann should have never been offered the job! Hyzdu should have done the right thing, for Moeller High School, after Rosfeld left and swallowed his pride and sat down with McLaughlin and settled their differences and offered him the job. If Pat would have been given the job last year then I don't think we would have the poor seasons we have had last year and this year. As I said we were young last year and those players are one year older and we are hearing the same thing again. When does it stop and we just start winning football games and being relevant? We will never be the Moeller of old but we shouldn't be as bad as we have been over the past two years. Time to start winning football games.
TraditionNeverGraduates
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No question this team was MUCH better than the 2019 team, and definitely showed improvement. As a Moe fan, it does no good to look back on the head coaching turnover situation. Yes, many question why McGlauhlin was never hired, but now he is settled in at LaSalle and coach Elder at Moeller. I agree with Racer, I think this program turns the corner in 2021 and competes for a GCL title. There is impressive talent in the lower levels, coupled with playing a ton of jr's and sophomores in key varsity roles. Skill positions look solid, and Moe will have 3 solid QB's to work with, that have the potential to be good. Defense has to take a big step up at LB and the secondary, especially having to compete with our league our non-conference schedule. I look for coach Elder to fine tune his coaching staff, and have a much more talented roster, top to bottom, to work with in 2021.
Please explain what it means when people say they switched from being a football school to a basketball school or decisions were made to benefit basketball and not football. What are examples? Not trying to be a wise guy, but I don’t understand it. I understand basketball is clearly more successful, but how does that impact the football program in a negative way? On paper, most sports in the athletic program are probably more successful than football currently and the last few years.
I don’t believe any decisions have been made to place one sport over another at Moeller. Poor decisions have been made In managing football but I do not believe intentionally. For a long time time the national recognition and incredible success of the football program made Moeller a “football school” but that has faded and basketball has risen. The only negatives are that talented athletes choose successful programs and their is little reason to choose Moeller football at this time vs X, LaSalle, West, etc. Further some of the most talented football players opted out for other sports, like basketball (McBride, Land,..) where they have a chance at state titles. The “basketball school” title is well deserved but for what many people have known their entire lives, the change from a football school is a big deal.
From someone who has had kids in both programs- the basketball program at Moeller would make some of the low level D1 programs jealous. It is tightly run with major funding- parents and kids are taught that what CK says, goes. And while there have been some star players along the way- egos are kept in check with team and program goals put above any one player.
Football program lost some of its edge when a talented group of players came through that put themselves above the team and Rodenberg allowed it. Rosfeld was a great coach for moving forward (Winning the GCL in 2018 was incredible) - lived the tradition of Moeller football himself, had the full respect of the guys on the team but it wasn’t meant to be. Do I think it can go back to what it was? Probably not, but it can certainly be better than what it has been with the talent they have returning next year. This was a solid group of seniors, but too much stacked against them.
I for one am happy to see the success of other programs at the school- soccer, lacrosse,among others will keep the school relevant for the future.
Football program lost some of its edge when a talented group of players came through that put themselves above the team and Rodenberg allowed it. Rosfeld was a great coach for moving forward (Winning the GCL in 2018 was incredible) - lived the tradition of Moeller football himself, had the full respect of the guys on the team but it wasn’t meant to be. Do I think it can go back to what it was? Probably not, but it can certainly be better than what it has been with the talent they have returning next year. This was a solid group of seniors, but too much stacked against them.
I for one am happy to see the success of other programs at the school- soccer, lacrosse,among others will keep the school relevant for the future.
I really hope Coach Elder can turn this team around. I hate making excuses for the program. People have been saying for what seems like years about how they are young and playing underclassman. Those players have to be developed. FYI....I was listening to a little of the X game today and they have 9 starters returning on offense next year and 6 on defense. They said Elder is returning a lot of kids too. Moeller isn’t the only one playing young guys. We need Coach to develop these kids on the fast track.
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Curious- How is an alum (assuming not a parent) allowed at the game that is limited in tickets?
Sometimes the kid can purchase up to 4 or 5 tickets. You can get tickets from folks that have kids on the team
Curious your comment on a well funded basketball program. Are there certain sponsors/alums that have taken to the program and provided resources, or a school decision to provide more resources/money to basketball?
Definitely not taking more resources from the school- sponsors and donors, camps, fundraising (program, spiritwear).
Thank you to the seniors on this year team. Four coaches in four years. That is tough. Now let's look towards 2021. Here's my wish list for 2021:
1) Not to hear anyone in the program say "we are young"
2) Get an Offensive Line coach.....we need to improve upfront
3) Be competitive!
4) No running clocks
5) Have a winning record
6) Qualify for the playoffs
GBM!
1) Not to hear anyone in the program say "we are young"
2) Get an Offensive Line coach.....we need to improve upfront
3) Be competitive!
4) No running clocks
5) Have a winning record
6) Qualify for the playoffs
GBM!
TraditionNeverGraduates
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I hear Moe will open with Lakota East in 2021. Anyone know the rest of the schedule?
Who is the current O Line Coach? Acito still there Coaching D Line?