#1 Mentor Cardinals Vs #5 Canton Mckinley Bulldogs
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DaveDawg
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You could be right.
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You could be wrong.
McKinley played a much tougher schedule, in fact, Jackson could be the best win on the Cards resume but its an afterthought because it was the season opener where as you should remember not long ago Mentor cleaned McKinley's clock in an opener and met in the playoffs and a single play at the end of the game did the pups in in what was a great game at Mentor.
McKinley has the men on the field to get the win...it's the men on the sideline that worries the f$%k out of me.
MentorGrad2002
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I keep seeing this argument a lot. Yes you played a tougher schedule. You also lost 4 times. Doesn't really do much for me to say you played better teams when you just lost to them
And the reason Jackson was on it was because McKinley wouldn't play us anymore. So again kind of rings hollow here.
Think you guys over hype the Fed a ton on here. It's not the meat grinder you make it out to be
But can McKinley win?! Sure they can. It's the playoffs. I just think you guys are getting a little too hyped over acting like since our schedule was down that we are nothing
Tarblooder_Rocketgrad
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A lot of talented players will be on the field. McK has more future D1 players and I’m giving the staff the benefit of the doubt McK by 6.
MentorGrad2002
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How many times have you seen either play?
Also can you list the future D1 players on each team ? Thanks
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cardzfan1234
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McKinley did play a much tougher schedule, no argument here. There isn't an argument to be made. Avon and Massillon are far superior to St Ignatius and the best of the GCC. I don't think the Fed is much better than the GCC, but McKinley's non-conference schedule stacks up much stronger than Mentor's.
The playoff rematch you are referring to in 2022 I think has a mixed memory. The 2021 game at Canton was the game where Mentor cleaned McKinley's clock. The 2022 regular season game was much closer. The playoff rematch was even closer. But we have seen playoff rematches have dramatically different results. But this is irrelevant since McKinley didn't (won't) play Mentor in the regular season.
I feel confident in a Mentor win. It isn't because Mentor is 5-0 (including 3-0 in the playoffs) against the Pups since 2018. I feel confident because Mentor's offense has displayed a lot of excellence this season. Plus the defense is improving. Mentor didn't play any teams near Massillon or Avon. That will make a big difference if Mentor plays very good teams like St Eds, Moeller, etc. down the road. But I don't think their schedule is going to hurt them against McKinley, who is no better than the best team on Mentor's schedule (which is probably the early version of Ignatius before the wheels fell off or the version of Cleveland Heights that had a healthy and productive Marquise Davis).
Tarblooder_Rocketgrad
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Mentor once in person (Heights) and once via steam (St. Ignatius reg season). McK three times via stream (Harding, Avon, and Jackson reg season). It will be relatively high scoring, close to McK- Jackson last week and obviously Mentor scored in the 30s last week and puts up big offensive numbers weekly. This will be a great game and on my short list if I didn’t have a son playing Friday night.
MentorGrad2002
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Who are all these future D1 players that McKinley has that we don't have?. Are you aware Mentor could have 5 D1 guys on offense this year ?
Think your anti Mentor bias clouds your judgement a little. Pick who you want and nobody really cares. I just don't think you are very informed
Tarblooder_Rocketgrad
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I don’t have an anti-Mentor bias, why would I? My son has never played against Mentor in HS, played them in middle school hoops when he was a Gilmour. I’m aware the QB and both WRs and I believe an underclassmen OL has D1 offers. McK has the big back, #54, McClellan, Quincy, the QB, #5 and a few underclassmen either committed or offered to D1’s. Both teams are LOADED!!! Your RB is a beast, not sure of his class but does he have D1 offers. An anti-Mentor bias is pretty funny, no need for that. And we won that hoops game by the way, lol.
MentorGrad2002
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2 OL guys have d1 offers. Any team could say they possibly have more in the future in the pipeline. Point is it's actually pretty darn equal on d1 type guys.
Again I think McKinley has a shot but I think those of you touting a schedule being harder while they lost 4 times are misinformed on some level. Feel very good about Mentor going 7-3 at the very worst with that McKinley schedule . Could be better too
Also as @cardzfan1234 said, Ignatius was healthy and better early in the year. If we can play make believe that Jackson sucked early on but turned into a juggernaut later in the year, then we can make this argument in reverse.
Jackson was far from bad, but sorry I'm not buying them as some great team this year.
Raymo
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They had a very soft schedule, very soft and just be ready because the Bulldogs are out of control...BAM!
MentorGrad2002
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Well you guys are boisterous and passionate on here. I'll give you that. Who did McKinley beat again?
We can't control our opponents going downhill. McKinley could have been in there. It strikes me as hilarious that you guys are talking schedule after your school wouldnt keep playing us
Very ironic
Tarblooder_Rocketgrad
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No disagreement. And who ever claimed Jackson to be a juggernaut? That’s crazy talk.
MentorGrad2002
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They are acting like they beat some murderers row and Jackson was a super duper team end of year. It's crazy talk.
The GCC bottomed out this year which we can't help. But the fed wasn't anything special either
Mentor wanted to keep the McKinley series going. They wouldn't do it. So hard for me to take them seriously in talking about schedules when you guys wouldn't continue playing Mentor
MassillonK1D330
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Bro I wouldn't waste my time arguing with him he's clearly a clown and it's probably the most biased person I've ever seen on the site. It's clear that McKinley has played the better schedule hands down no questions asked is Mentor a great team absolutely great coaches staff as well but on the same since McKinley is hot right now and their staff is finally starting to get it together. Honestly is Mentor probably going to win absolutely but I would not be shocked if McKinley pulled the upset and I feel like it's going to be a close game either way possible last team with the ball who wins the game.
Tarblooder_Rocketgrad
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McK didn’t play Mentor but added an arguably sttonger program in Avon. Mentor schedules pretty solid OOC including my Tarblooders who you informed me cancelled the series. And as I check my notes, we’ve added Avon, Hoban, Eds, Liberty, and UA among others (beating everyone except Hoban) since Ted has returned healthy. Hopefully Glenville and Mentor can renew the series, I’d love to swap out a Columbus D1 for Mentor.
MentorGrad2002
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Can't quit me. Obsession continues
You calling someone else a clown is hilarious btw.
Tarblooder_Rocketgrad
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Well I respectfully call BS on Jackson being a super duper team. Fed is weak, obviously not as weak our league but we know what our league is and don’t claim otherwise. The fed is pretty weak but some folks make it out to be top to bottom tough. I don’t think so. They cancelled on you guys but added Avon, one could say the strengthened their non-conf. Both teams are loaded and Senior heavy and I would be nervous if Glenville played either team. Close game IMO.
cardzfan1234
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1. Mentor's schedule was very down. The easiest one I can remember in at least twenty years.
2. McKinley's top end of their schedule had tough games. But their best win in the regular season was against a DII team that could only muster one playoff win in a watered down playoff system (take your pick: Lake, WGH, Green, etc.).
3. Neither #1 nor #2 are going to be strong determining factors in Friday's game.
What will determine this game is talent, matchups, and coaching. I like Mentor's chances a lot. They have talent, experience, and success defining their season. The talent at QB, WR, RB, and OL are very high. And that is saying a lot for me to claim that at Mentor, a place that has often had a lot of talent on offense. The defense is far from perfect, but they are getting better. McKinley certainly has some talent. But going 1-1 against Jackson, including a narrow Week 12 win, isn't a strong statement that they are prepared to take down Mentor.
2. McKinley's top end of their schedule had tough games. But their best win in the regular season was against a DII team that could only muster one playoff win in a watered down playoff system (take your pick: Lake, WGH, Green, etc.).
3. Neither #1 nor #2 are going to be strong determining factors in Friday's game.
What will determine this game is talent, matchups, and coaching. I like Mentor's chances a lot. They have talent, experience, and success defining their season. The talent at QB, WR, RB, and OL are very high. And that is saying a lot for me to claim that at Mentor, a place that has often had a lot of talent on offense. The defense is far from perfect, but they are getting better. McKinley certainly has some talent. But going 1-1 against Jackson, including a narrow Week 12 win, isn't a strong statement that they are prepared to take down Mentor.
Tarblooder_Rocketgrad
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Not sure I agree that they have a great coaching staff but they may. He or she is passionate about Mentor, I get it. I’m the same damn way, the difference my passion doesn’t cause me to become sensitive.
MentorGrad2002
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Think they replaced us with Warren Harding going back on. You still can't really talk smack on schedule to a team you wont even play. I agree our schedule didn't turn out great. But it's ironic to have a team that wouldn't play us smack talk on it. Sometimes your opponents go downhill. Can't control it
MassillonK1D330
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Stop crying about people scheduling Mentor God damn
what I noticed about Mentor is everybody has Tangled with Hoban in the last couple years but Mentor right? Everybody has scheduled a dominant out-of-state School but Mentor right? But yet you keep claiming everybody "ducking" Mentor it's laughable at this point. I completely understand every program takes that step back y'all had a few step backs and now you're back so you can't keep knocking everybody for backing off for a minute when they know they're not ready. Prime example I know this one time you said something about Massillon backing off when we was average at best but I don't see y'all calling now right? It's the exact same thing everybody else did cuz you all do the same but the facts are the facts this game is going to be a great game between two good teams
MassillonK1D330
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Exactly we all are passionate about our teams because if not we wouldn't waste our time on this site arguing with each other everyday. But my man was arguing with somebody over their own opinion of where the site should have been at like come on bro
MassillonK1D330
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If you want to be technical you're obsession with me continues because I clearly didn't tag you I was talking to somebody elseCan't quit me. Obsession continues
You calling someone else a clown is hilarious btw.
Tarblooder_Rocketgrad
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Ahh, I thought they replaced you guys with Avon. And 100% on the who you schedule. We scheduled St. V in 2022 and figured they’d be on for a few years, they imploded and cancelled on their rival and us. That’s how and why we ended up going to FL to play IMG. My friend, I have no ill will towards Mentor, I think you guys are a fantastic program and look forward to a a great game Friday.
Tarblooder_Rocketgrad
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That is intense, over a neutral site is kinda crazy. But I love the passion
MentorGrad2002
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Oh stop. You are doing stupid laughing reactions and making posts about me in a thread I'm participating in. You have an obsession. An adult would just ignore me and move on. You can't do it though. I'm in your headIf you want to be technical you're obsession with me continues because I clearly didn't tag you I was talking to somebody else
MentorGrad2002
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I merely stated with reasoning why it didn't make sense ..the two of you started stuff after which is the norm honestly
MassillonK1D330
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But in the same sense y'all struggle with Cleveland Heights who was down this year . Honestly that might be one yalls best win of the season.