One Division
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Is 14 too many?
most schools can’t fill 14.
Too many forfeits.
most schools can’t fill 14.
Too many forfeits.
Weight Classes
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WishYouWereHere
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You don’t have a complete poll.
I don’t see a 14 or 15 option???
I don’t see a 14 or 15 option???
WishYouWereHere
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After we debate about how many weights there should be, we will then begin the endless cycle of what the classes should be.
Same topic, different year/decade.
Same topic, different year/decade.
Joe Daugherty
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Lets not get into this one... I think everyone knows I am not a fan of diminishing the number of weights. The genetically predisposed (small) athlete is already at a disadvantage when most sports are geared towards 7' tall B Ball players and 250# Linebackers..... Can't the little guy get a break? If you can't tell from my picture my son is 4" taller than me.... ?
WishYouWereHere
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It should be 14 weights.
But if you insist, here are the 13 new weights beginning in the 2022-23 season...
112, 118, 124, 130, 137, 144, 151, 160, 170, 182, 195, 220, 285.
But if you insist, here are the 13 new weights beginning in the 2022-23 season...
112, 118, 124, 130, 137, 144, 151, 160, 170, 182, 195, 220, 285.
youngmanmom
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fvwrestler
Member
I think especially in JH we should eliminate weight classes. I understand we want participation up but in most JH tournaments we let teams enter multiple kids. Cut JH down to 10-12 weights would get kids more matches. We would see less JH tournaments where there are 2 kids in a weight that wrestle each other best of 3.
Where are the options for more?
I would like to see 15 or 17... odd number to break ties.
Cutting starting opportunities is not a good way to grow the sport.
105, 112, 119, 125, 131, 137, 143, 149, 155, 164, 174, 184, 195, 220, 285
or
100, 107, 113, 119, 125, 130, 135, 140, 145, 151, 157, 165, 175, 185, 195, 220, 285
I would like to see 15 or 17... odd number to break ties.
Cutting starting opportunities is not a good way to grow the sport.
105, 112, 119, 125, 131, 137, 143, 149, 155, 164, 174, 184, 195, 220, 285
or
100, 107, 113, 119, 125, 130, 135, 140, 145, 151, 157, 165, 175, 185, 195, 220, 285
WishYouWereHere
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Lionattack
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I would like to see a increase at HWT to 300.
LucMurphy134
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I'll never understand the default position of "fixing" the sport by taking away opportunities. This is the type of thinking that almost got Wrestling canceled from the Olympics and college wrestling programs cut every year. There is a solution to every problem and for most there are many. Why not begin the discussion from the mindset of enhancing opportunities rather than taking them away?
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iamjacksuglythrowaway
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Because actually coaching, building and developing the sport at places it’s not established and/or with first year kids is hard work. It’s more than possible to actually be successful but you have to be mentally flexible and hustle. You have to be willingly build kids mental toughness.
Something I have seen more and more is an entitled attitude borderline flat out lazy attitude from a lot of coaches. Lots of whining about basketball and how “soft” kids are, how they haven’t wrestled, and on and on and on.. but don’t even try to build good relationships with their AD.
It also feels like the most vocal voices against doing basic harmless things that can only help the sport.. like the 2 piece or even running tournaments better.. are always people out of the club system. It sometimes genuinely feels like they’d rather the sport keep shrinking.. than risk a world where kids who started later or couldn’t spend thousands on clubs and national tournaments can be competitive.
Bread-N-butter
Member
Bring back unlimited as the heavyweight and then add a 245lb weight class.
All I ever hear about from coaches is they can’t get kids out because they want to lift and get big for football, whether That’s right or not 220-285 is a huge gap when we are trying to recruit bigger kids to wrestle.
Bread-N-butter
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This is an extremely biased and bad poll. Why would we want to limit weight classes? If you’re worried about there being too many forfeits we should be rewarding programs who do the work to fill the weight classes.
One simple solution I have heard- make forfeits worth 7 points instead of 6. Put it on the coaches to recruit more to make their team competitive.
iamjacksuglythrowaway
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it’s funny you say that. I don’t think it’ll help unfortunately. A lot of coaches take an idiotic pride in having 3-4 tuff guys. Cause the “other kids is too soft so I don’t waste my time”.
Latman
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Bring back the 98lb class! #littleguysmatter
Joe Daugherty
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Maybe we should start with a vision of what a wrestling team should look like and then build teams up to fit that vision. Instead were always trying to change the vision. A low but attainable vision would be filling all 14 weight classes for duals. It means you might have to get guys that are new to wrestling and build them up. You might have to actually coach and care about kids not be because they win for you but because it's your vision of what's right. It's very rewarding so get out there and do it.
cruiser_96
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iamjacksuglythrowaway
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But that’s so much work for some people. After all. “Hard work” means running lots of sprints and yelling a bunch and martyring yourself. Hard work can’t be marketing your program, recruiting, fundraisingdoing your hw on improving things outside a half Nelson technique, being organized, building relationships with other coaches and the AD. That wouldn’t fit the wannabe tuff guy machoness.
It’s okay to be lazy and not be willing to build kids mental toughness. Just writing them off.. is when it’s okay to be lazy. Learning to actually properly teach technique and how to drill is a lot of work and requires constant attention and learning on your end. The acceptable lazy way is to just have the kids go live all the time after you show a bunch of “cool” moves. Why even bother. After all it’s impossible for a kid to get good if he didn’t wrestle since he was six. So use the acceptable way of being lazy and poach not coach.
Don’t use the 2-piece to help get kids who literally don’t know anything about wrestling into practice. After all if they’re hesitant about wearing a singlet they’ll “just find another reason to quit”. After all, a 20 year little kids coach.. who didn’t coach in hs cause there were “too many rules and eligibility”., told me so.
And if I’m not lazy the acceptable way.. that means I’d have to do what people like Greg Urbas, and other long term successful coaches at places like Elder, Mason, W.Brown, Harrison, Fairfield and Solon do.. and celebrate a kids relative success. I wouldn’t be able to “just” judge kids on “championships” and state results. It would mean... gasp.. I’d have to celebrate a 2nd year unathletic kid going 2-2 at Coaches Classic the same way Id celebrate my returning state placer winning coaches classic.
Man, all that sounds like lots of work. And wrestling is only about some kinds of hard work and not others. Let’s just be lazy and reduce weight classes
Bread-N-butter
Member
I agree but if we allow that kind of coaching to continue we won’t have wrestling in the next generation. We have to grow the sport and that mentality can’t be tolerated.
iamjacksuglythrowaway
Active member
I completely agree. I’ve mentioned it several times but wrestling needs to stop it’s trend of coaches becoming lazy and not entitled
Crimsonblooded
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“If we allow that type of coaching to continue”....... the only coaching we really have a say in is clubs. Done by our paying for and participating in. As far as High School well that is your Athletic Director, Superintendent, and Board of Education. For the most part the latter is just looking for a reliable babysitter.
split_finger
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106 is not a varsity weight class... My vote would be 12. I already know I am going to ball up a lot of panties on this one
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Bread-N-butter
Member
I personally am a hs coach, I get what you’re saying but I’d argue the average person can put much more influence on a school coach than on a club coach.
Crimsonblooded
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People are people and every example on personality as far as a coach. If a club has a quality coach then he will be successful. It’s the ole capitalism in an open free market result. As far as a school system. Then it’s more of the socialist product. They usually want one of their own, school teacher. I don’t know if it’s the union or they feel more control from a liability point. But if your product is good you will get the kids in your room. But if your product is bad well it is still up to the administration. The protective bubble! This is why I’m for transfers with out penalties.
So as far as me having more influence over a High School coach than a club. I think that is the personality of the particular coach and I don’t think you can make that claim. It comes down to pride and humility and that is an individual whether school or club.