St Ignatius Football 2021

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arizonawildcat said:
Is it possible that Pfaff is overthrowing his receivers on the deep routes, when compared to his success last year, is that this year's receivers just aren't that fast? On a positive note, I liked his pass to Lenahan in the flat where Lenahan had plenty of room to do his thing.
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Many of the receivers are his classmates that he has played with for 4 years. He should be familiar with them.
Pfaff has been overthrowing his receivers on sideline patterns too. They were really off on such passes in the Springfield game and there has been some slight improvement, but he missed open receivers on such routes against Hoban.
He was also missing the pass in the flat during the McKinely scrimmage, Springfield and Mentor games until he finally connected late in the 4th quarter vs Mentor with passes to Lenehan and Martin. Since then, he's had a better touch on passes in the flat.
 
eaglepride said:
It’s always been called the field. Don’t care if announcers call it on the broadcast now.
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I've attended Premier League matches in England and they call it the "pitch"
Maybe it's called the "field" in the U.S., but the U.S, is the backwaters of professional futbol
 
River Rouge, the next opponent:

www.mlive.com

River Rouge football ‘more prepared’ despite many new faces on offense

River Rouge brings back one starter on offense this fall but feels prepared without the weight of COVID-19 restrictions.
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"Six starters return on defense for the Panthers, including 6-foot-5, 285-pound lineman Davonte Miles. Miles was committed to Michigan until late July before reopening his recruitment. He will play both ways this year and should be a force in the trenches for River Rouge. “We going to blitz,” Miles said, bluntly."

Ignatius better prepare to counter the blitz, something they haven't done in years.
 
PDC said:
The QB position at Ignatius was once a given. Now it's questionable at best.

Again, the effort is there. It's a talent thing.
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I’m not convinced it’s solely a talent issue. I recall a lot of efficiency and turnover issues with the passing game in 14-15, despite a talented group of Grosel, Cook and Grbac (and Eichenberg anchoring the LT spot). Anyone have season stats from those years? The last time I felt good about the Ignatius passing attack was 2012 with LaManna and a deep group of receivers.
 
Wildcats1886 said:
I’m not convinced it’s solely a talent issue. I recall a lot of efficiency and turnover issues with the passing game in 14-15, despite a talented group of Grosel, Cook and Grbac (and Eichenberg anchoring the LT spot). Anyone have season stats from those years? The last time I felt good about the Ignatius passing attack was 2012 with LaManna and a deep group of receivers.
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To your point, I don't understand the WR route tree, if they use one.

I still don't see a ton of talent at that position in the program.
 
Wildcats1886 said:
I’m not convinced it’s solely a talent issue. I recall a lot of efficiency and turnover issues with the passing game in 14-15, despite a talented group of Grosel, Cook and Grbac (and Eichenberg anchoring the LT spot). Anyone have season stats from those years? The last time I felt good about the Ignatius passing attack was 2012 with LaManna and a deep group of receivers.
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2014 record: 7 W - 5 L. Offense: 31 ppg. Defense: 24 ppg (3rd highest in school history)
2015 record: 5 W - 4 L. Offense: 41 ppg (highest since 1964). Defense: 27 ppg (highest in school history)

Don't have 2014 stats, but here are the 2015 stats (9 games)
Passing
Grosel. 121 of 223 with 4 interceptions. 1959 yards. 54.3% completions. 18 TDs
Back-ups. 13 of 21; no interceptions, 174 yards. 62% completions. no TDs

Rushing:
276 carries for net 1406 yards. 5.1 ypc. 11 fumbles and lost 4
Grosel was leading rusher with net 469 yards (6.3 ypc). Jimmy Andrews had net 468 yards (4.7 ypc)

The issue in those 2 years was Defense
 
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PDC said:
The QB position at Ignatius was once a given. Now it's questionable at best.

Again, the effort is there. It's a talent thing.
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Talent does exist -- the talent is there but then so is "the tradition" will ride that into the ground.
Look around at other very successful rosters. Bring up the juniors including QB. At worst you will have
the same results as you may expect for the rest of season. Balance this against breath of fresh and aggressive
blood into the system plus the added bonus of a great team next year. I repeat, a returning and experienced team next year. That is the problem with program it fosters a one hit one year senior system. No REAL build.
 
Thanks bluengold. For some reason I remembered more turnovers in 2015, but I may have been thinking of 2014 or even Grosel’s run as a sophomore in 2013. I try to block out these years of Wildcat football.

That said, 54% still strikes me as a very low completion % for the modern era of football. I haven’t benchmarked against other high schools, but have to imagine St. X and Mentor are consistently in the 65% plus range. That would help us move the chains more consistently and not have the D on the field all the time. To me one of the biggest issues in recent years has been frequent 3 and outs and leaving the D on the field too much, who then get worn down chasing around teams that are almost universally faster than them.

I think everyone agrees new blood is needed on the offensive side of the ball. I was very disappointed with the playcalling situation this year. I was hoping Kyle would look to learn from Specht on this one like when we copied their defense :). It’s a very attractive job - I’m sure we could lure away a forward-thinking, proven offensive coordinator from outside the program.
 
Wildcats1886 said:
Thanks bluengold. For some reason I remembered more turnovers in 2015, but I may have been thinking of 2014 or even Grosel’s run as a sophomore in 2013. I try to block out these years of Wildcat football.

That said, 54% still strikes me as a very low completion % for the modern era of football. I haven’t benchmarked against other high schools, but have to imagine St. X and Mentor are consistently in the 65% plus range. That would help us move the chains more consistently and not have the D on the field all the time. To me one of the biggest issues in recent years has been frequent 3 and outs and leaving the D on the field too much, who then get worn down chasing around teams that are almost universally faster than them.

I think everyone agrees new blood is needed on the offensive side of the ball. I was very disappointed with the playcalling situation this year. I was hoping Kyle would look to learn from Specht on this one like when we copied their defense :). It’s a very attractive job - I’m sure we could lure away a forward-thinking, proven offensive coordinator from outside the program.
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And this season's passing completion after 5 games is 44% !
Cannot succeed at that rate
 
River Rouge is averaging 43 points on offense and 13 on defense over three games. It’s difficult to gauge the quality of their opponents.

The first pitch will be thrown at 4 PM which probably means a long bus ride for those young men that morning.
 
Wildcats1886 said:
I’m not convinced it’s solely a talent issue. I recall a lot of efficiency and turnover issues with the passing game in 14-15, despite a talented group of Grosel, Cook and Grbac (and Eichenberg anchoring the LT spot). Anyone have season stats from those years? The last time I felt good about the Ignatius passing attack was 2012 with LaManna and a deep group of receivers.
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FWIW, Grosel will be QBing Boston College for the rest of the season, as the first string QB suffered a season-ending injury to his wrist. I think Grosel has been at BC for God knows how many years. He probably going for his third masters by now.
 
Wildcats1886 said:
Thanks bluengold. For some reason I remembered more turnovers in 2015, but I may have been thinking of 2014 or even Grosel’s run as a sophomore in 2013. I try to block out these years of Wildcat football.

That said, 54% still strikes me as a very low completion % for the modern era of football. I haven’t benchmarked against other high schools, but have to imagine St. X and Mentor are consistently in the 65% plus range. That would help us move the chains more consistently and not have the D on the field all the time. To me one of the biggest issues in recent years has been frequent 3 and outs and leaving the D on the field too much, who then get worn down chasing around teams that are almost universally faster than them.

I think everyone agrees new blood is needed on the offensive side of the ball. I was very disappointed with the playcalling situation this year. I was hoping Kyle would look to learn from Specht on this one like when we copied their defense :). It’s a very attractive job - I’m sure we could lure away a forward-thinking, proven offensive coordinator from outside the program.
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We copied the 3-3-5 from X after either the 2005 or the 2006 season. But they copied our Alma Mater long before that so we’re square.

It would be wonderful to bring in an outside staff with a fresh perspective to get the offense for the program back on track. The offense has been mediocre at best the last few seasons. This year they have been one dimensional and lackluster… again. The passing attacks of Holland, Williams, and Lamanna are long gone and the QB and WR positions which were once a guaranteed strength for the team are now a question mark at best and a glaring weakness at worst. Unfortunately, I have a feeling that changes to the offense and attraction of talent on that side of the ball will not happen until Chuck Kyle retires. But that said, once he does retire, the opportunity to be a head coach for this program would be a dream for a lot of up and coming coaches, especially the Rick Finotti types who want to make a name for themselves and move on to the NCAA. They would get plenty of applicants from all over the area and Ohio and probably a significant amount from across the country.

Franzinger has been remarkable as a defensive coordinator and he is a fantastic coach for the linebackers, but I do not think he would be the best choice for the head coach job once it opens up. The Cam Joyce hiring decision has paid dividends so far for the basketball team in only 2 seasons. They need to do the same with the football program.
 
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Agree the QB play has been below average for years. Talent, not effort.

I'll just keep typing this- I am not a fan of this offense. Specifically on the varsity, the personnel doesn't match the schemes.

I believe the QBs would benefit from SOME play action, under center looks.
 
cardzfan1234 said:
For all of the negativity, this team has really done well since halftime of the Mentor game. They really outplayed the Cardinals in the second half and followed that with three wins, including the big one over Hoban. 6-4 is the likely ending, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they give St Eds and St X their toughest games of the season.
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I predict Ignatius will beat X or Eds, but not both
 
Is there a QB on the JVs, or God forbid, a freshman QB who is better, more efficient than the current QB? I know Kyle shows his devotion to the seniors, but can't he see what's going on on the field? I find it hard to believe that he let Scott Mutryn start as a sophomore. In a school of 1500 boys there has to be a better passer than the current one.
 
cardzfan1234 said:
You also predicted Ignatius would kill Mentor
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He's continually tried to overinflate Ignatius ever since they had his Springfield team on the ropes. I do think this Ignatius team deserves a little more credit than what they are getting from their fans, but Riverboy's agenda is quite clear.
 
Westsidepublic said:
You predicted X wouldn’t be able to score points this year. If you predict enough crazy things one of them will eventually happen. That does t mean you know what your talking about
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I said X would struggle against a good defense which they have not faced yet. Beyond that, I don't care what you think of my predictions and I don't need your affirmation or approval. So, if you're not capable of having a decent, civil discussion about HS football without engaging in personal attacks for no reason, then please ignore and do not respond to my posts. In fact, just hit your "ignore" button so you won't ever see any of my posts. Thank you.
 
Ohioriverboy42 said:
I said X would struggle against a good defense which they have not faced yet. Beyond that, I don't care what you think of my predictions and I don't need your affirmation or approval. So, if you're not capable of having a decent, civil discussion about HS football without engaging in personal attacks for no reason, then please ignore and do not respond to my posts. In fact, just hit your "ignore" button so you won't ever see any of my posts. Thank you.
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You obviously care based on your response. And based on what everybody else is saying about you demand much respect. LOL. What would you consider a good defense. Please don’t say SHS, based on games played so far every team X has played, other then the game against X, seems to have every bit as good a defense as SHS.
 
Westsidepublic said:
You obviously care based on your response. And based on what everybody else is saying about you demand much respect. LOL. What would you consider a good defense. Please don’t say SHS, based on games played so far every team X has played, other then the game against X, seems to have every bit as good a defense as SHS.
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You're entitled to your opinion but I didn't ask for it. And because you have a shi*ty attitude and insist on personal attacks for no reason, I'm not interested in having any further conversation with you. And I don't "demand" or need respect from you or anyone. That should be obvious by now. It is perfectly fine with me if you or anyone else disagrees with my opinions or anyone else's opinions. So, let's just end this right here. If you can't, then please use your ignore button and you will never have to read my posts again. How many times do I have to say that?
 
Ohioriverboy42 said:
You're entitled to your opinion but I didn't ask for it. And because you have a shi*ty attitude and insist on personal attacks for no reason, I'm not interested in having any further conversation with you. And I don't "demand" or need respect from you or anyone. That should be obvious by now. It is perfectly fine with me if you or anyone else disagrees with my opinions or anyone else's opinions. So, let's just end this right here. If you can't, then please use your ignore button and you will never have to read my posts again. How many times do I have to say that?
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Hey guy, you are wrong, by posting something in an open forum for people to see and respond you are asking for a response. If you don’t want people to respond then DM those who ask for your opinion. You can ignore me if you would like, but I am not ignoring you and letting you say whatever you want without getting checked. Not really sure how disagreeing with you is a bad attitude
 
arizonawildcat said:
Is there a QB on the JVs, or God forbid, a freshman QB who is better, more efficient than the current QB? I know Kyle shows his devotion to the seniors, but can't he see what's going on on the field? I find it hard to believe that he let Scott Mutryn start as a sophomore. In a school of 1500 boys there has to be a better passer than the current one.
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Yes there is ---- junior Spencer -- Did exactly as instructed in Mount Saint Joes game for first win.
The word you're looking for is "intangibles" coupled with skill and training. Muny league.
Please review freshman and jv film ----- 4th qtr vs Hoban last year. ---- no not relative. This is a couch
Nick grab out of Muny. His last one. Needs a couple of the aggressive receivers also to be moved up,
or at least played more.
 
Westsidepublic said:
Hey guy, you are wrong, by posting something in an open forum for people to see and respond you are asking for a response. If you don’t want people to respond then DM those who ask for your opinion. You can ignore me if you would like, but I am not ignoring you and letting you say whatever you want without getting checked. Not really sure how disagreeing with you is a bad attitude
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Disagreeing or agreeing with a stranger in a public forum is fine. That's what they're all about. It's the personal attacks and bad attitude I disagree with. That is not the spirit of an open forum and no one, including you, invites personal attacks and personal insults when they express their opinion on here. I'm sure every Yappi Moderator will agree. Like I've already said, I have no problem engaging in respectful debate and differences of opinion on HS football with you or anyone else. But you can take your personal attacks and insults elsewhere.
 
I respectfully disagree with anyone that says there is a QB from grades 10-12 that would be a difference maker. (As so many Ignatius QBs have been in the past)

If managing an offense is what we're talking about, maybe. If being a primary reason for making a playoff run, I don't see it.
 
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