PAC 2023

This is the $64,000 question. Who is left to help Poochie outscore everyone else? He will be the most dynamic player on the field every Friday night. But is there enough around him? Or enough on the defensive side? No matter what, can’t wait to follow his senior season.

It’s way too early to break everything down. But thinking back to last year, Orrville “arrived” a year early. Think they may have a good run in them for the next couple of seasons.
I think they will have enough and more!
 
This is the $64,000 question. Who is left to help Poochie outscore everyone else? He will be the most dynamic player on the field every Friday night. But is there enough around him? Or enough on the defensive side? No matter what, can’t wait to follow his senior season.

It’s way too early to break everything down. But thinking back to last year, Orrville “arrived” a year early. Think they may have a good run in them for the next couple of seasons.
I am expecting Orrville to be very good next year!
 

Rich Kotite

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While I see definite advantages staying at 7 PAC schools, if the league insists on adding an 8th school, I could see the following scenario:

CVCA to Metro
Akron Springfield to PAC

Springfield has been terrible forever and might want a change to help their teams be more competitive. Springfield fits the geographic wishes of the PAC - Stark/Summit/Wayne Counties. Springfield doesn't upset the apple cart with the Tuslaws, Manchesters, and Fairlesses of the world who likely want an easier league opponent than what CVCA is. Springfield isn't too far of a travel destination; in fact it's closer than CVCA.

Minerva is too far east and is even worse than Springfield. Marlington fits in a lot of ways but is too far east. I do not see a private school being admitted (Central Catholic) after CVCA just left.

I don't know. Just another crazy idea from me.
 

CasualFan24

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While I see definite advantages staying at 7 PAC schools, if the league insists on adding an 8th school, I could see the following scenario:

CVCA to Metro
Akron Springfield to PAC

Springfield has been terrible forever and might want a change to help their teams be more competitive. Springfield fits the geographic wishes of the PAC - Stark/Summit/Wayne Counties. Springfield doesn't upset the apple cart with the Tuslaws, Manchesters, and Fairlesses of the world who likely want an easier league opponent than what CVCA is. Springfield isn't too far of a travel destination; in fact it's closer than CVCA.

Minerva is too far east and is even worse than Springfield. Marlington fits in a lot of ways but is too far east. I do not see a private school being admitted (Central Catholic) after CVCA just left.

I don't know. Just another crazy idea from me.
CVCA to the Metro makes a lot of sense IMO. There are a number of Metro schools that would fit in the PAC, I don't don't get the sense that any of them were/are looking to leave the Metro. Even my favorite potential add, Coventry, I believe is content in the Metro.
 

Rich Kotite

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CVCA to the Metro makes a lot of sense IMO. There are a number of Metro schools that would fit in the PAC, I don't don't get the sense that any of them were/are looking to leave the Metro. Even my favorite potential add, Coventry, I believe is content in the Metro.
I could see why they're all content in the Metro. It's a good league.

My only thought is Akron Springfield might (key word, might) want to change leagues thinking they could compete better against the PAC and the PAC would get an even better geographical footprint with Springfield (southern Summit County) vs. CVCA (northern Summit County).

Springfield also has a history playing Northwest and Canton South in the old NBC.

Would Tuslaw, Manchester, and Fairless vote yes for Springfield? I think they would.

Would Tuslaw, Manchester, and Fairless vote yes for Coventry? I'm not sure about that.

I love the idea of Coventry coming back to the PAC, BTW, but I'm being realistic thinking about how some of the PAC schools would vote.
 

satoshi node

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My understanding is that there were only 2 schools to officially apply.....Louisville and Mogadore. Mogadore had some good support but the Wayne County schools voted no. There was not much support for Louisville. Sandy Valley and Minerva were interested (moreso Minerva) and had the support of most, but they knew Wayne County would vote no so they did not waste any more time and did not formally apply.

I totally understand and do not blame Wayne County for their decision but it looks like the PAC will remain at 7 for the foreseeable future.

If Orrville and Triway were to ever tire of the travel and looked elsewhere, I could see this as the new PAC:

Canton South, Carrollton, Fairless, Manchester, Minerva, Northwest, Sandy Valley, Tuslaw.

Backyard Rivalries: CS/SV Carrollton/Minerva Manchester/NW Fairless/Tuslaw
 

Rich Kotite

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Interesting that Triway and Orrville wouldn't want Mogadore? To me, that's within the PAC geographic "zone" of western Stark, southern Summit, and Wayne County.

I get why Wayne County would be against Minerva and SV.

Seven schools can work, no doubt.
 
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wildcat71

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Mogadore is closer to both Orrville and Triway than CVCA was...Mogadore to Orrville 35 minutes, Mogadore to Triway more like 55-60 minutes but the 2 have played non league. I'd rather Mogadore try again to form a league with the following:
Mogadore, Rootstown, Ravenna Southeast, Mogadore Field, Springfield, Coventry, Atwater Waterloo, Manchester. But never happen...
 

satoshi node

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Orrville and Triway are basically bonding together and saying no more schools from Stark/Summit county. And I don't necessarily blame them. I believe the way the votes go is that if 2 schools vote no then its a no go. I could be wrong but it makes sense that they are sticking together.
 

Rich Kotite

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Orrville and Triway are basically bonding together and saying no more schools from Stark/Summit county. And I don't necessarily blame them. I believe the way the votes go is that if 2 schools vote no then its a no go. I could be wrong but it makes sense that they are sticking together.
So they would want a Wayne County school? There are none because the WCAL is as stable as they come. Would they want West Holmes (who didn't apply, apparently)? Garaway? (Everyone seemed to love Garaway as a choice but was unsure if they'd ever leave the IVC).
 

satoshi node

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So they would want a Wayne County school? There are none because the WCAL is as stable as they come. Would they want West Holmes (who didn't apply, apparently)? Garaway? (Everyone seemed to love Garaway as a choice but was unsure if they'd ever leave the IVC).
I have no idea what they would want. I tend to think it is more Triway than Orrville. I do think Mogadore would be an excellent addition to the league. Garaway had no interest at all, although I think they would be a great addition as well to the league. I did hear West Holmes had an interest but did not formally apply. I couldn't see Tuslaw, Manchester or Fairless wanting them in
 

CommonManDZ

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So they would want a Wayne County school? There are none because the WCAL is as stable as they come. Would they want West Holmes (who didn't apply, apparently)? Garaway? (Everyone seemed to love Garaway as a choice but was unsure if they'd ever leave the IVC).
Any chance Norwayne gets wandering eyes? When I think about the WCAL schools, they’re the one that sticks out to me as the most likely to disrupt the apparent harmony of the league someday. No info here, other than my own eyes and ears. Just throwing poo against a wall.
 

thePITman

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Waiting for someone to announce Manchester's new head football coach...

cat shaq GIF
 

Raylan_Givens

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@the123kidz has it over in the Jay Brophy Retirement thread here.

Looks like Kevin Stacy from Northwest is guy.
Oh man. If that's true, that's a GREAT trade off for the Panthers. They send a first ballot HOF (hugely obnoxious fan) parent to Northwest & get a SHARP dude from the Indians staff.

Also, Stacy's dad was on Lee Owens staff at Ashland. Now that Owens retired we may be looking at another father-son coaching tandem in New Franklin.

I know most would prefer someone from within the "family", but this strikes me as a great hire.
 

Raylan_Givens

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So they would want a Wayne County school? There are none because the WCAL is as stable as they come. Would they want West Holmes (who didn't apply, apparently)? Garaway? (Everyone seemed to love Garaway as a choice but was unsure if they'd ever leave the IVC).
Not sure what they want, but I heard Triway pushed hard for Orrville for years before they joined the league. I could see where they'd be leary of adding teams "too far" east & north.

Honestly, league will be solidly locked in along US-30/OH-93 when CVCA leaves. They wouldn't have to rush to find someone that didn't make (most) everyone happy.
 

CasualFan24

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@the123kidz has it over in the Jay Brophy Retirement thread here.

Looks like Kevin Spacy from Northwest is guy.
Kevin Stacy?! Hmm....is this confirmed? He was the former boys basketball coach at Waynedale if y'all are trying to figure out where you know/heard the name before. This would shock me being that he's a NW grad, mom taught (might still teach) at NW....he teaches at NW, has young children.....doesn't seem like a move he would make right now...!?
 

the123kidz

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Kevin Stacy?! Hmm....is this confirmed? He was the former boys basketball coach at Waynedale if y'all are trying to figure out where you know/heard the name before. This would shock me being that he's a NW grad, mom taught (might still teach) at NW....he teaches at NW, has young children.....doesn't seem like a move he would make right now...!?
It's confirmed my friend.
 

The Infidel

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I could see why they're all content in the Metro. It's a good league.

My only thought is Akron Springfield might (key word, might) want to change leagues thinking they could compete better against the PAC and the PAC would get an even better geographical footprint with Springfield (southern Summit County) vs. CVCA (northern Summit County).

Springfield also has a history playing Northwest and Canton South in the old NBC.

Would Tuslaw, Manchester, and Fairless vote yes for Springfield? I think they would.

Would Tuslaw, Manchester, and Fairless vote yes for Coventry? I'm not sure about that.

I love the idea of Coventry coming back to the PAC, BTW, but I'm being realistic thinking about how some of the PAC schools would vote.
I brought this up sometime last year about how Springfield would be a great fit for the PAC and I was ostracized for even bringing them up.
 

Raylan_Givens

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Kevin Stacy?! Hmm....is this confirmed? He was the former boys basketball coach at Waynedale if y'all are trying to figure out where you know/heard the name before. This would shock me being that he's a NW grad, mom taught (might still teach) at NW....he teaches at NW, has young children.....doesn't seem like a move he would make right now...!?
Tell the truth, you're just salty that Manchester stole another quality dude from NW.

Teaching at NW & Coaching at Manchester is probably one of the easiest school to after-school commutes any teacher-coach could have.
 

Raylan_Givens

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I brought this up sometime last year about how Springfield would be a great fit for the PAC and I was ostracized for even bringing them up.
I remember that. It makes "big picture" sense (bigger school with bad programs playing in a smaller school league). Mogadore looks awesome to football fans, but the economics are a little tougher there.
 

Rich Kotite

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Not sure what they want, but I heard Triway pushed hard for Orrville for years before they joined the league. I could see where they'd be leary of adding teams "too far" east & north.

Honestly, league will be solidly locked in along US-30/OH-93 when CVCA leaves. They wouldn't have to rush to find someone that didn't make (most) everyone happy.
I suspect....and I could be wrong...but the Wayne County schools likely felt like if they didn't put their foot down about Stark County teams being added that certain current PAC schools would have kept pushing Minerva and I don't blame Triway and Orrville for not wanting to add the Lions.

As for not adding any Summit County schools someone really must not want Mogadore and I think Springfield could have worked for the PAC.
 

Raylan_Givens

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I suspect....and I could be wrong...but the Wayne County schools likely felt like if they didn't put their foot down about Stark County teams being added that certain current PAC schools would have kept pushing Minerva and I don't blame Triway and Orrville for not wanting to add the Lions.

As for not adding any Summit County schools someone really must not want Mogadore and I think Springfield could have worked for the PAC.
You're probably right. Was told that both schools liked the addition of Canton South (facilities, travel, etc) but can imagine everyone has a line for how far they'd go. Especially if at the end of the trip you end up in .... Minerva?
 

CasualFan24

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Tell the truth, you're just salty that Manchester stole another quality dude from NW.

Teaching at NW & Coaching at Manchester is probably one of the easiest school to after-school commutes any teacher-coach could have.
He is an extremely quality dude! Congrats to Kevin and congrat (;)) to Chesterville.

I was totally serious though in my statement, he definitely has the pedigree to be a head coach - I'm just shocked because of the timing of it, and tbh, thought he'd be on the staff at NW and be a candidate to take over when DeMarco vacates. Now I wonder what staff will join him at Manchester, wondering if coach Stroh has stronger ties to the program or his buddy.....
 
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