Ohio's current football playoffs.

 
radiodaveagain said:
Will the OHSAA act on any of this? Be sure to look at this story today by @DBriggsBlade about Ohio's current football playoffs. https://www.toledoblade.com/sports/...playoff-will-ohsaa-listen/stories/20250416132


Plus look at SSN's (2024) story...Coach Walt Shreffler…OHIO’S FOOTBALL TOURNAMENT AND THE OHSAA https://statelinesportsnetwork.net/2024/01/09/coa
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The OHSAA better make the changes to fend off a mutiny. I know many conference commissioners are getting fed up with Columbus, if they keep playing with fire you’ll see similar pushback to what has happened to the NCAA
 
Runtheball2000 said:
I like top 12
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I was dead set against 12 initially, but that would be awesome compared to the 16 debacle we face now. In D1 the gap between 1 and 16 may not be huge, but the smaller divisions it gets pretty bad.

If they go with just 8 I do hope they figure out a way to get the best 32 per division regardless of geography.

That brings up a whole different issue, Harbins is a poor way of identifying the best teams. RPI is much better. The MAC should have 75% of their teams in the playoffs while there are plenty of conferences that should not have many if any.
 
The one advantage to 16 teams is that it loosens up scheduling. Teams can absorb a crucial loss against a top team rather than scheduling an also-ran to get an easy win.

Going to 12 teams might not be much of a difference but back to 8 will return to the days of schools avoiding scheduling up when they have a competitive team.
 
D4fan said:
I was dead set against 12 initially, but that would be awesome compared to the 16 debacle we face now. In D1 the gap between 1 and 16 may not be huge, but the smaller divisions it gets pretty bad.

If they go with just 8 I do hope they figure out a way to get the best 32 per division regardless of geography.

That brings up a whole different issue, Harbins is a poor way of identifying the best teams. RPI is much better. The MAC should have 75% of their teams in the playoffs while there are plenty of conferences that should not have many if any.
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Lockland, which only has 15-16 total kids on the football team and approx 60-70 total boys in the entire school, opted out of the playoffs cause their first round opponent was Marion Local.

I think final push for expansion came primarily due to Winton Woods missing the playoffs as a 9 seed despite beating the eventual state champion in D2 the last week of the season. I would argue just do top 10. Has any team who finished outside the top 10 ever beaten an eventual state champion? Your 7 v 10 & 8 v 9 are play-in games. Everyone else gets a bye. The MAC schools are still going to beat whoever they play in round 1 by 40 but at least you won't have teams opting out.
 
Fun2Bme said:
Lockland, which only has 15-16 total kids on the football team and approx 60-70 total boys in the entire school, opted out of the playoffs cause their first round opponent was Marion Local.

I think final push for expansion came primarily due to Winton Woods missing the playoffs as a 9 seed despite beating the eventual state champion in D2 the last week of the season. I would argue just do top 10. Has any team who finished outside the top 10 ever beaten an eventual state champion? Your 7 v 10 & 8 v 9 are play-in games. Everyone else gets a bye. The MAC schools are still going to beat whoever they play in round 1 by 40 but at least you won't have teams opting out.
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I don't know if somebody outside the top 10 has beaten a eventual state champ but Massillon did beat Perry State runner up and didn't even make the playoffs and finished at 4-6. If it happened I'm sure it's not very likely but it's a possibility.
 
Yappi said:
The one advantage to 16 teams is that it loosens up scheduling. Teams can absorb a crucial loss against a top team rather than scheduling an also-ran to get an easy win.

Going to 12 teams might not be much of a difference but back to 8 will return to the days of schools avoiding scheduling up when they have a competitive team.
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Unfortunately, there are still a ton of schools that do not schedule up. They tuck tail and hide from quality competition.
Just ask Ed's, Hoban, and Massillon. I am sure there some schools that I missed, that also have trouble scheduling.
 
Do you think scheduling is as difficult now as it was with 8 teams per region?

I remember a story about Benedictine about 15 years ago.

A coach was offered a chance to play them. The response was what is the benefit? If they have a down year, Benedictine could go winless and give no computer points.

Scheduling up against Benedictine was risky back then, not nearly as risky today.
 
D4fan said:
I was dead set against 12 initially, but that would be awesome compared to the 16 debacle we face now. In D1 the gap between 1 and 16 may not be huge, but the smaller divisions it gets pretty bad.

If they go with just 8 I do hope they figure out a way to get the best 32 per division regardless of geography.

That brings up a whole different issue, Harbins is a poor way of identifying the best teams. RPI is much better. The MAC should have 75% of their teams in the playoffs while there are plenty of conferences that should not have many if any.
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I like 4 weeks top 8. This way you earn your way in, less blow outs and you don't have to start the season in the middle of August. Top 12 I think you still have teams in there that don't really have a chance to win a state championship. For example a 10 or 12 seated team is not going to beat St Eds, Massillon, Hoban, Avon Toledo Central Catholic etc most years if not at all. Sure there may have been rare exceptions but it doesn't happen often enough imo to allow that many teams in the playoff. Look at college football last year with a 12 team playoff. Boise State, SMU, Indiana, Arizona State, Clemson and Tennessee were not going to beat Georgia, Ohio State, Texas etc.
 
This reminds me of the NCAA expanding to 12.
1. It is driven by money.
2. And even more importantly, Ohio having 12 or 16 does NOT (IMHO) make for a better playoff system and games. Many blowouts and an extra week for injuries to the top teams that could cost them down the road. Many teams that would be included in the 16 team have no business being in. The other component is the people siding with: it's good for the kids to get playoff experience. That is the: everyone gets a trophy mentality and is B.S. Entitled generation rules strikes again.
 
Everyone making the playoffs is ridiculous.

Ignatius is an example the past two seasons. Absolutely no business being in with an abysmal record.
 
Love the people blaming the “soft kids these days” generation.

The people making the decision to expand are primarily 50+ year old school administrators.

The decision to expand was made to make the OHSAA more money, especially after COVID.

It has nothing to do with getting everyone a trophy. I would imagine most kids of a 14 seed would rather not drive 1.5 to 3 hours to get beat 49-14.
 
CMorris_99 said:
Somehow, some way, OHSAA will figure out a way to make a buck. Even at the expense of the kids
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You're only saying that because it's 100% true.

OHSAA - "let's implement a mercy/running clock rule so that kids don't get embarrassed."

Also OHSAA - "Let's take the top 16 per region so that 1-9 teams will be playing 10-0 teams in the first round....ON THE ROAD."
 
John Lee Pettimore said:
You're only saying that because it's 100% true.

OHSAA - "let's implement a mercy/running clock rule so that kids don't get embarrassed."

Also OHSAA - "Let's take the top 16 per region so that 1-9 teams will be playing 10-0 teams in the first round....ON THE ROAD."
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Yes, agree, how about D1 a few years back with 1 and 9 Stow playing St. Eds ranked 15th in the nation. The score was 49 to 0 in the second quarter. Eds could have scored over 100 points if they wanted to. Heck imo Eds jv team would have destroyed them.
 
petepastromi said:
I like 4 weeks top 8. This way you earn your way in, less blow outs and you don't have to start the season in the middle of August. Top 12 I think you still have teams in there that don't really have a chance to win a state championship. For example a 10 or 12 seated team is not going to beat St Eds, Massillon, Hoban, Avon Toledo Central Catholic etc most years if not at all. Sure there may have been rare exceptions but it doesn't happen often enough imo to allow that many teams in the playoff. Look at college football last year with a 12 team playoff. Boise State, SMU, Indiana, Arizona State, Clemson and Tennessee were not going to beat Georgia, Ohio State, Texas etc.
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I like the top 8 as well but its 5 weeks of playoffs not 4
 
PGEMF said:
The real story here is you actually linking to an article written by someone else
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If anyone is wondering what spurred Dave’s “article,” Black Swamp Football has been doing their homework, interviewing and surveying coaches, AD’s, and athletic trainers for months. They just recently put out a show discussing this topic with a couple Hall of Fame coaches. Great listen for anyone interested

 
FightingTigerBob said:
Love the people blaming the “soft kids these days” generation.

The people making the decision to expand are primarily 50+ year old school administrators.

The decision to expand was made to make the OHSAA more money, especially after COVID.

It has nothing to do with getting everyone a trophy. I would imagine most kids of a 14 seed would rather not drive 1.5 to 3 hours to get beat 49-14.
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And fueled by parents and locals in favor of it.

The kids aren't the ones campaigning for another game where they know they're going to get it handed to them.

Teams want an extra game, let them schedule and play an 11th game outside the playoffs. Otherwise, let them be done and move on to another sport.
 
I am personally okay with either 8 or 12. 16 is too many. Yes, there've been a few upsets, but those are RARE. Hopefully they listen and make changes.
 
TigerBeast78 said:
I don't know if somebody outside the top 10 has beaten an eventual state champ but Massillon did beat Perry State runner up and didn't even make the playoffs and finished at 4-6. If it happened I'm sure it's not very likely but it's a possibility.
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For what it’s worth, my team did beat an eventual State Champ for the 2007 season while finishing 10th in their region that season. 11th place was .09 behind them. (No I don’t know if they deserved to make playoffs lol)
 
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