New H.S. Weightclasses

The part I did not get is the why start the change this year when it isn't "mandatory" until evidently 23-24.
PA decided to do kind of its own thing with going to 13, but it seems like their implemented weights up top are in line with the NFHS change. They went in 20-21.

The situation specific conversation about consolidating upper-weights is because Ohio happens to have some very high end talent where the consolidation is happening
D1 - Shumate goes 190, McDanel and Donahue lose realistic state title opportunity; Shumate goes 215, Russo either has to go up or finish at best second, Shepard is finishing at best second
D2 - Fishback goes 190, Conley has to stay down at 175 or else he's not winning, Neves could end up having to be an undersized 220 (Shulaw in a similar boat); Fishback chooses to go 215, going to have congestion at 190
 
I can also think of a few Top 5 195 guys where 190 may be quite difficult to make. Problem is they also have Top 5 or Top 10 teammates at 215. Stiles, Starr, Slaper.
 
bucksman said:
The part I did not get is the why start the change this year when it isn't "mandatory" until evidently 23-24.
PA decided to do kind of its own thing with going to 13, but it seems like their implemented weights up top are in line with the NFHS change. They went in 20-21.

The situation specific conversation about consolidating upper-weights is because Ohio happens to have some very high end talent where the consolidation is happening
D1 - Shumate goes 190, McDanel and Donahue lose realistic state title opportunity; Shumate goes 215, Russo either has to go up or finish at best second, Shepard is finishing at best second
D2 - Fishback goes 190, Conley has to stay down at 175 or else he's not winning, Neves could end up having to be an undersized 220 (Shulaw in a similar boat); Fishback chooses to go 215, going to have congestion at 190
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They started the change this year because they polled the coaches on when they wanted to change, and the majority picked now.
 
So in the lower 7 weight classes only 145 was changed by 1lb. The big hit was in the middle to heavier weights. I'd agree with most of the posting there's going to be kids scrambling to find a spot.
These changes should've been made at the earliest next year. Doing it 2 weeks before school starting is irresponsible by the ohsaa. Kids should've been given at least this season to prepare.
 
I think 190 got crowded just about everywhere. Toughest weight class now in my opinion. A lot of athletes in that 15 pound weight gap. Would be difficult to convince me that there are nearly as many quality athletes and wrestlers squeezed into the 6 pound weight gaps between some of those lower classes. 144, 150;) etc. Basing this on pure numbers.
 
The jump from 175 to 190 is an 8% weight jump.
132 to 138 is 4.3%.
138 to 144 is 4.2%.
144 to 150 is 4.0%.
150 to 157 is 4.5%.
157 to 165 is 4.8%.
If we stayed consistent with a 5% weight increase throughout, it would look something like this...
... 138, 145, 153, 162, 172, 182, 193 ...
Just sayin’.
 
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WishYouWereHere said:
The jump from 175 to 190 is an 8% weight jump.
132 to 138 is 4.3%.
138 to 144 is 4.2%.
144 to 150 is 4.0%.
150 to 157 is 4.5%.
157 to 165 is 4.8%.
If we stayed consistent with a 5% weight increase throughout, it would look something like this...
... 138, 145, 153, 162, 172, 182, 193 ...
Just sayin’.
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My guess would be that their numbers follow the data curve and 5% would be arbitrary, but I don't know the full story behind the numbers.
 
Yea, I don’t know the story either. I figured it was an analysis that was done back in the 70’s, based on the size of kids in high school
98, 105, 112, 119, 126, 132, 138, 145, 155, 167, 175, 185 & hwt.
Then it changed in 1988 to : 103, 112, 119, 125, 130, 135, 140, 145, 152, 160, 171, 189, hwt.
We should’ve revolted then when the 18 lb jump happened in the upper weights.
Someone complained enough in 1995, causing them to add 215.
I think that they (NFHS) thinks that any kid over 180 lbs is un-athletic, fat, and doesn’t deserve a natural weight class.
And the OHSAA is wrong for changing this 2 years before it is scheduled to happen, and 2 weeks before school starts.
Alright, I’m done. Just venting. Good night.
 
WishYouWereHere said:
Yea, I don’t know the story either. I figured it was an analysis that was done back in the 70’s, based on the size of kids in high school
We should’ve revolted then…
I think that they (NFHS) thinks that any kid over 180 lbs is un-athletic, fat, and doesn’t deserve a natural weight class.
And the OHSAA is wrong for changing this 2 years before it is scheduled to happen, and 2 weeks before school starts.
Alright, I’m done. Just venting. Good night.
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Well…a lot of them are. ?
There—I said it. ?
 
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DoubleBoots said:
Well…a lot of them are. ?
There—I said it. ?
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That’s disappointing boots. I thought you had wrestled or at least knew about wrestling. Being an active member and posting many times on this forum; but I guess you’re just a poser.
I think there’s a general forum for you, where you can post about band, home-ec, and maybe darts.
 
WishYouWereHere said:
That’s disappointing boots. I thought you had wrestled or at least knew about wrestling. Being an active member and posting many times on this forum; but I guess you’re just a poser.
I think there’s a general forum for you, where you can post about band, home-ec, and maybe darts.
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I love watching the serious, talented, good Big Boys wrestle. I recognize the subtleties, mat IQ, talent and challenges involved. They are tough. They are good. And it is exciting.
But if you are saying that there are not a LOT of kids over 180 that are out of shape or un-athletic—you are clueless or lying to yourself.

P.S. Given that you went right for the personal attacks without any real relevant thought, you must be covering up for some personal inferiority feelings or something—so I gotta figure you are indeed lying to yourself.
 
DoubleBoots said:
I love watching the serious, talented, good Big Boys wrestle. I recognize the subtleties, mat IQ, talent and challenges involved. They are tough. They are good. And it is exciting.
But if you are saying that there are not a LOT of kids over 180 that are out of shape or un-athletic—you are clueless or lying to yourself.

P.S. Given that you went right for the personal attacks without any real relevant thought, you must be covering up for some personal inferiority feelings or something—so I gotta figure you are indeed lying to yourself.
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This ain't 1987. There are some absolute freak athletes at 190 pounds, which isn't nearly as big as it was back then. Gable Steveson, Kyle Snyder, David Taylor, Kyle Dake....hmmm. You look on Boro's list. Every Top 10 guy in D1, D2, D3 is chiseled.
 
WishYouWereHere said:
Yea, I don’t know the story either. I figured it was an analysis that was done back in the 70’s, based on the size of kids in high school
98, 105, 112, 119, 126, 132, 138, 145, 155, 167, 175, 185 & hwt.
Then it changed in 1988 to : 103, 112, 119, 125, 130, 135, 140, 145, 152, 160, 171, 189, hwt.
We should’ve revolted then when the 18 lb jump happened in the upper weights.
Someone complained enough in 1995, causing them to add 215.
I think that they (NFHS) thinks that any kid over 180 lbs is un-athletic, fat, and doesn’t deserve a natural weight class.
And the OHSAA is wrong for changing this 2 years before it is scheduled to happen, and 2 weeks before school starts.
Alright, I’m done. Just venting. Good night.
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"And the OHSAA is wrong for changing this 2 years before it is scheduled to happen, and 2 weeks before school starts."

Well, as has been said multiple times in this thread, OHSAA did not change it two years early, the coaches did - OHSAA gave the coaches the choice and this is what they decided. I applaud the OHSAA for letting the coaches decide. The timing of it, I cannot speak to as I did not see the communications between the coaches and the OHSAA, but why does two weeks before school starts matter? Two weeks before the season starts I could understand being upset, but they have months to prepare.
 
I don't have a big problem with the HS weights. I would make some tweeks to the weights (move 165 to 167 and 175 to 179), but would still be more in favor of keeping it the way it was. I would think the gaps are not that bad at the upper weights, but I don't like the larger gap between 175 and 190 vs. 182 to 195

Maybe for a different thread - but I have more of a problem with the NCAA weights and of course the Olympic weights. I suppose the thought for the reduced Olympic weights was that by reducing number of weights, then wrestling gets to stay in the Olympics because it will take less time to conduct the events???

Olympic weights and gap:
125 to 143 = 18 pds. (14.4%)
143 to 163 = 20 pds. (14.0%)
163 to 189 = 26 pds. (16.0%)
189 to 214 = 25 pds. (13.2%)
214 to 276 = 62 pds. (29.0%)

Using the other international weights and the gaps are:
125 - 134 9 pounds (7.2%)
134 - 143 9 pounds (6.7%)
143 - 154 11 pounds (7.7%)
154 - 163 9 pounds (5.8%)
163 - 174 9 pounds (5.5%)
174 - 189 15 pounds (8.6%)
189 - 203 14 pounds (7.4%)
203 - 214 9 pounds (4.4%)
214 - 276 62 pounds (29.0%)

This makes sense

Comparison to NCAA wrestling:
International vs. NCAA (selected weights recommended to be used FOR NCAA are bolded)
125 - 125
134 - 133
143 - 141
- 149
154 - 157 or RECOMMEND 153 for NCAA
163 - 165
174 - 174
189 - 184 or RECOMMEND 186 for NCAA
203 - 197 or RECOMMEND 198 for NCAA
214 -
276 - 285
 
OCEagle said:
I suppose the thought for the reduced Olympic weights was that by reducing number of weights, then wrestling gets to stay in the Olympics because it will take less time to conduct the events???
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The IOC tries to keep the same number of total athletes, so when they add stuff such as surfing or snowboarding, unfortunately spots have to be taken from other sports. That's why wrestling has gone from 10 weight classes in the Olympics in 1996, down to 8, then 7, and then 6. I believe other sports, such as gymnastics, have had a reduced number of competitors over the years as well.
 
Personally I'd like to see
- A move to 13 weight classes helping dual criteria.
- Weights follow, within 5 pounds, the college weight classes, with the addition of two lighter weights and a light heavyweight helping to "include all parties."
- Eliminate the "minimum" for heavyweight. I've watched a 135 pounder beat up on a heavyweight in past rooms.
- Eliminate hydration testing and move to mat side weigh-ins. Step on the scale and step on the mat.
 
Coach Root said:
Personally I'd like to see
- A move to 13 weight classes helping dual criteria.
- Weights follow, within 5 pounds, the college weight classes, with the addition of two lighter weights and a light heavyweight helping to "include all parties."
- Eliminate the "minimum" for heavyweight. I've watched a 135 pounder beat up on a heavyweight in past rooms.
- Eliminate hydration testing and move to mat side weigh-ins. Step on the scale and step on the mat.
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What are your weights??
 
Coach Root said:
Personally I'd like to see
- A move to 13 weight classes helping dual criteria.
- Weights follow, within 5 pounds, the college weight classes, with the addition of two lighter weights and a light heavyweight helping to "include all parties."
- Eliminate the "minimum" for heavyweight. I've watched a 135 pounder beat up on a heavyweight in past rooms.
- Eliminate hydration testing and move to mat side weigh-ins. Step on the scale and step on the mat.
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? So when a 275 kid injures your 135 kid , who's fault is that? It prevents arrogant coaches from doing just that! What do you want club matches? Heck high school and college guys all step on scale at mat and wrestle if within 10 pounds? Lol people still going to cut the exact same to get away from others. Pipe dreaming.
 
Coach Root, to show you that I’m not trying to argue, I’ll post my 13 weights first (still believe that 14 is the magic number) so that I can be attacked by the masses first.
It’s a moot point now; the new weights will be here for a few seasons.

108, 115, 122, 129, 136, 144, 152, 160, 168, 178, 189, 205, 285.
 
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Pinwho1 said:
? So when a 275 kid injures your 135 kid , who's fault is that? It prevents arrogant coaches from doing just that! What do you want club matches? Heck high school and college guys all step on scale at mat and wrestle if within 10 pounds? Lol people still going to cut the exact same to get away from others. Pipe dreaming.
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Or you can do what rest of country does and use something like 185 or 190 as minimum for heavyweight
 
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