D4 Region 13 2024

fbrox said:
You do scrimmages for multiple purposes. First of all you want a best on best scenario for timing and competitive rep purposes. In practice teams rarely run more than 10-15 plays of this because you simply cannot afford to get starters hurt. Second purpose is to get guys on film for evaluation purposes. If a guy has been deemed a starter than you already know what you have in him. 10-15 plays on film is plenty for that starter to see what needs to be corrected. Simply put scrimmages are not used in order to win, they are used to evaluate. Don’t get a key player hurt in one and not have him available in two weeks.
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If you "already know what you have in him," why even put him in??
 
MahoningFan said:
Fascinating. I don't remember saying you're there to win, but that makes sense. You must be a coach
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No but I was on the board of the football boosters and talked to many of the coaches also have heard plenty of NFL coaches state theories on pre season games. LOL
 
Yeah, let's say "football prepares kids for life," and then teach them to protect themselves at all costs, take no risks, and make sure they're forever 100% healthy. Smh, sign of the times.
 
Yes winning is important, but not scrimmages. Remember every practice, which a scrimmage is, has designs of getting you ready for regular season and playoff games. Nobody really remembers the scores of scrimmages.
 
MahoningFan said:
Honest question - how do you tell kids we're here to get better but don't worry about winning? Also, what's the advantage psychologically in the long term?
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I would imagine you prep kids in advance by telling them you expect them to compete on every play. You tell them there’s a lot you’re not going to show because you’re not worried about anything but competing and getting better. You also tell them you want to get everyone on film for evaluation purposes. In short you remind them it’s a practice and the score will not be in the Columbus Dispatch tomorrow morning. The big fish is two Fridays from now.
 
MahoningFan said:
Honest question - how do you tell kids we're here to get better but don't worry about winning? Also, what's the advantage psychologically in the long term?
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It’s the structure of the scrimmage, that’s how. Typical scrimmage is 10 plays of 1st string vs 1st string. Mix in situational practice scenarios, and that’s it. Never heard a coach declare one as a “win” as an athlete and as asst. coach.

Also coaches don’t coach scrimmages to win either. It’s there time to see what potential a kid might have in a situation and how see certain plays in live action look.

It’s just more in depth film to further prepare yourself for the regular season.
 
330Football said:
Pretty even, Struthers only played starters for 10 plays on both sides. I’m very glad that dukes and Braham barely played on either side. Couple young backs did well for Struthers. West branch will be a lot more run oriented early on, the QB isn’t close to the last 2 they had
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I’d wouldn’t mind seeing Thomas ,Perry and Mullinix in the backfield running the ball . Probably have 3 thousand yard rushers before the playoffs began .
 
Got to see Perry in the quad scrimmage at Shaker Heights on Saturday. From the one series I got to see them on offense, Walter Moses tossed a TD, and was picked off as well. I believe it was Luke Sivon who caught the TD pass and also picked a pass off as well.

Also, junior McKoy Richards got a bit of action in their series against Shaker, finding a receiver in the back of the end zone for a TD. Preview below:

 
West Branch needed these first 2 scrimmages to see what they have. Their schedule is AWFUL...Including the downtrodden Cardinals....The Warriors probably finish at 10-0 but hopefully they don't get a false sense of security....That league is really bad.
 
Bettorthanmost said:
West Branch needed these first 2 scrimmages to see what they have. Their schedule is AWFUL...Including the downtrodden Cardinals....The Warriors probably finish at 10-0 but hopefully they don't get a false sense of security....That league is really ba
Bettorthanmost said:
West Branch needed these first 2 scrimmages to see what they have. Their schedule is AWFUL...Including the downtrodden Cardinals....The Warriors probably finish at 10-0 but hopefully they don't get a false sense of security....That league is really ba
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I’m not going to argue with anyone that Canfield is anything but a grade A opponent . It would be a waste of time. I’m 50 years past junior high.. Have at it. Just for curiosity, what school do you root for?
 
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West Branch is 36-5 the last three years.Two of those losses were to Canfield including a heartbreaking 4 point loss to the d3 state champs . Another was to Canton South’s best team in school history . A disappointing loss to a scrappy Jefferson team with a limping DeShields and lastly a loss to state runner up Ursuline . These starters have been tearing it up as since they were 16, they will continue to tear it up as 18-year-olds.
 
Preseason (updated 8-13)
1-Glenville
2-Perry
3-Lake Catholic
4-West Branch
5-Struthers
6-Norton
7-Streetsboro
8-Cardinal Mooney
9-Buchtel
10-NDCL
11-Niles McKinley
12-West Geauga
13-Edgewood (Ashtabula)
14-Hubbard
15- Northwest (Canal Fulton)
16-Woodridge
17-Field
18-Conneaut
19-Ravenna
20-Warrensville Hts
21-Salem
22-Lutheran East
23-Jefferson Area
24-Orange
25-Coventry
26-Akron Springfield
27-Lincoln West
 
FirestoneFan said:
Preseason (updated 8-13)
1-Glenville
2-Perry
3-Lake Catholic
4-West Branch
5-Struthers
6-Norton
7-Streetsboro
8-Cardinal Mooney
9-Buchtel
10-NDCL
11-Niles McKinley
12-West Geauga
13-Edgewood (Ashtabula)
14-Hubbard
15- Northwest (Canal Fulton)
16-Woodridge
17-Field
18-Conneaut
19-Ravenna
20-Warrensville Hts
21-Salem
22-Lutheran East
23-Jefferson Area
24-Orange
25-Coventry
26-Akron Springfield
27-Lincoln West
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Niles is way too high. The will probably be a two win team this season.
 
Jaws31 said:
Niles is way too high. The will probably be a two win team this season.
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Edgewood loses a ton as well. I would flip Hubbard and drop Niles pretty far down. If howland is even competitive with Niles next Thursday it’s gonna be a rough year
 
buno67 said:
Might want to look into perry a little more. They dont need time to gel, believe they are losing 3 or 4 starters from their state title team. Two of those graduates were absolute studs but they are bring a massive amount of title. Be curious what their rushing attack will look like but their passing attack should be dominate. They are easily #2 in the region
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Their stud workhorse RB returns.
 
330Football said:
Edgewood loses a ton as well. I would flip Hubbard and drop Niles pretty far down. If howland is even competitive with Niles next Thursday it’s gonna be a rough year
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A lifelong Niles fan/player/parent told me this might be the worst Niles team he has ever seen.
 
BillyTheKidder said:
I’m not going to argue with anyone that Canfield is anything but a grade A opponent . It would be a waste of time. I’m 50 years past junior high.. Have at it. Just for curiosity, what school do you root for?
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Canfield will have trouble reaching .500 this year. Pav pulled a Pav on his program. While they probably are the best game on WBs schedule, the warriors will win by 2 scores IMO. It’s ok that Canfield is not as good this year. I expect West Branch to have a great season with zero chance to get out of the region. It is what it is.

To answer your question…I root for the SEC.
 
Bettorthanmost said:
Canfield will have trouble reaching .500 this year. Pav pulled a Pav on his program. While they probably are the best game on WBs schedule, the warriors will win by 2 scores IMO. It’s ok that Canfield is not as good this year. I expect West Branch to have a great season with zero chance to get out of the region. It is what it is.

To answer your question…I root for the SEC.
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What Youngstown area based team would’ve improved WB’s schedule this year? The schedule is more than sufficient for a small rural d4 school . WB doesn’t have the advantage with its vast area for transfers and these teams they are naturally assembling are nothing short of a miracle. Along with some incredible coaching and what the private schools like to say, hard-work and discipline.
 
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BillyTheKidder said:
What Youngstown area based team would’ve improved WB’s schedule this year? The schedule is more than sufficient for a small rural d4 school . WB doesn’t have the advantage with its vast area for transfers and these teams they are naturally assembling are nothing short of a miracle. Along with some incredible coaching and what the private schools like to say, hard-work and discipline.
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Blah blah blah
 
BillyTheKidder said:
What Youngstown area based team would’ve improved WB’s schedule this year? The schedule is more than sufficient for a small rural d4 school . WB doesn’t have the advantage with its vast area for transfers and these teams they are naturally assembling are nothing short of a miracle. Along with some incredible coaching and what the private schools like to say, hard-work and discipline.
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on paper WB out of conference schedule isn’t bad, just like any public school talent comes in waves, and normally girard and Canfield would be great games, this year neither team should be good, I would be shocked if WB doesn’t win both games by multiple scores. Canfield replacing their coach along with losing a ton to graduation, but the next couple years they have a lot of talent coming up
 
This is the one of the most ridiculous arguments. I’ve ever heard. Canfield is easily one of the top area teams for the last 20’years. West Branch is only supposed to schedule them when they’re state champion material ? The warriors stuck themselves out there in week one with what ended up the best team in the state. And now that there’s a favorites they get ripped on. ?What Youngstown area team would put up a better fight? . Struthers will be good and I’m sure if things work out they will meet. Other than that.?
 
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BillyTheKidder said:
This is the one of the most ridiculous arguments. I’ve ever heard. Canfield is easily one of the top area teams for the last 20’years. West Branch is only supposed to schedule them when they’re state champion material ? What Youngstown area team would put up a better fight? . Struthers will be good and I’m sure if things work out they will meet. Other than that.?
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Ursuline/West Branch would be a fun one to watch.
 
BillyTheKidder said:
This is the one of the most ridiculous arguments. I’ve ever heard. Canfield is easily one of the top area teams for the last 20’years. West Branch is only supposed to schedule them when they’re state champion material ? The warriors stuck themselves out there in week one with what ended up the best team in the state. And now that there’s a favorites they get ripped on. ?What Youngstown area team would put up a better fight? . Struthers will be good and I’m sure if things work out they will meet. Other than that.?
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You musta only read what you wanted to out of my post. Normally that would be a really good game but Canfield won’t have the horses to keep up with WB this year, that’s a compliment to WB lol

Struthers
South range
Fitch
Harding
Ursuline
Mooney
Chaney

Would be better games THIS YEAR but Canfield is still WB toughest game by a long shot, and yes losing what’s going to be a hall of fame coach matters lol
 
330Football said:
You musta only read what you wanted to out of my post. Normally that would be a really good game but Canfield won’t have the horses to keep up with WB this year, that’s a compliment to WB lol

Struthers
South range
Fitch
Harding
Urs
Chaney

Would be better games THIS YEAR but Canfield is still WB toughest game by a long shot, and yes losing what’s going to be a hall of fame coach matters lol
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Sounds like an Ursuline schedule. Don’t get me started never mind. WB has Chaney in week
4 after starting out with the 2022 state champs. I just took a quick look at Struthers schedule.. don’t hear a lot of thoughts about it.
 
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