D4 Region 13 2024

Just a heads up. My rankings are a power ranking and not based on Harbin points. Lake Catholic should go undefeated and be #1(Kenston will be tough to beat though). Could be Perry at #1 in Harbins. Glenville should be top 8 (schedule is tough, could end up 5-5). Struthers, W Branch and the rest of the teams will figure it out! We will see what Buchtel brings early (Schedule is tough, 6-4/5-5 is my guess right now). I figure the top 3 will make the regional semi finals, seeding will determine the rest in this very tough region. Tough to guess this early. Norton/Boro winner will be in the top 4. This will be a very competitive region IMHO.
 
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Glenville is the #1 IMO. They reload year after year and will definitely be a tough out. Lake Catholic is the #2. They have made some really impressive strides over the past couple years, and should be a shoo-in to win the North Coast Conference. Curious to see how they do in their non-con schedule, featuring the likes of Avon, Upper Arlington, St. Eds, and Hoban, all teams who made a regional final run or deeper.

West Branch is #3, as they've made deep runs the past few years, but can they win a regional title for the first time since 1994? If them and Glenville met in 2022, I could have seen a very high-scoring competitive matchup.

Norton is #4, having been winners of the Metro Athletic Conference a couple years in a row. They made a solid run in Division III, and will be right at home in Division IV.

Rounding out my top 5 is Perry. They just made the cutoff for Division IV, but they do return the majority of their team from last year's state title run. Curious to see how they gel this year, as their first three weeks will definitely be a tone-setter for the season.
Might want to look into perry a little more. They dont need time to gel, believe they are losing 3 or 4 starters from their state title team. Two of those graduates were absolute studs but they are bring a massive amount of title. Be curious what their rushing attack will look like but their passing attack should be dominate. They are easily #2 in the region
 
Might want to look into perry a little more. They dont need time to gel, believe they are losing 3 or 4 starters from their state title team. Two of those graduates were absolute studs but they are bring a massive amount of title. Be curious what their rushing attack will look like but their passing attack should be dominate. They are easily #2 in the region
Easily? Perry will be very good but there is no way anybody can say theyre easily better than Lake Catholic, Struthers and West Branch
 
Might want to look into perry a little more. They dont need time to gel, believe they are losing 3 or 4 starters from their state title team. Two of those graduates were absolute studs but they are bring a massive amount of title. Be curious what their rushing attack will look like but their passing attack should be dominate. They are easily #2 in the region
Perry will be good, replacing Richards and studio is not going to be an easy thing to do
 
I can....They are.
The best part about the preseason is everything is subject to opinion. Being a Struthers homer, I would still give the nod to Perry based off of their previous accomplishments and returning players. Now my wildcats are no slouch, but going into the season. It’s fair to put Perry in front of them definitely. But I’m not putting Struthers anywhere past number three in the region, but again it doesn’t matter because Glenville is in the region.
 
West Branch is bringing back what is likely the most experienced team in school history. 2 and 3 year starters up and down the lineup.I believe they lost one starter on each side of the ball from an 11-2 team loaded with skill .Weakness has been pointed out is unproven first year qb to replace Beau Alazaus who made 1st team all state after starting the year an unproven first year starter as well . Should be a pretty fun season in Beloit
 
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The best part about the preseason is everything is subject to opinion. Being a Struthers homer, I would still give the nod to Perry based off of their previous accomplishments and returning players. Now my wildcats are no slouch, but going into the season. It’s fair to put Perry in front of them definitely. But I’m not putting Struthers anywhere past number three in the region, but again it doesn’t matter because Glenville is in the region.
Glenville in the region stinks for the local teams in Mahoning. I tend to agree that Struthers is 3a with WB 3b?? How'd the scrimmage go?
 
Glenville in the region stinks for the local teams in Mahoning. I tend to agree that Struthers is 3a with WB 3b?? How'd the scrimmage go?
Pretty even, Struthers only played starters for 10 plays on both sides. I’m very glad that dukes and Braham barely played on either side. Couple young backs did well for Struthers. West branch will be a lot more run oriented early on, the QB isn’t close to the last 2 they had
 
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Kirtland week 3 would be the only game worth the ticket. Perry basically has 9 scrimmages.
"Among the teams that passed when Perry called, according to Gecewich, were Marion Local, Sugarcreek Garaway and Creston Norwayne"

They tried to beef up their schedule...
 
Pretty even, Struthers only played starters for 10 plays on both sides. I’m very glad that dukes and Braham barely played on either side. Couple young backs did well for Struthers. West branch will be a lot more run oriented early on, the QB isn’t close to the last 2 they had
10 plays for starters is idiotic. Shame on the coaches if that's true. What's the point?
 
"Among the teams that passed when Perry called, according to Gecewich, were Marion Local, Sugarcreek Garaway and Creston Norwayne"

They tried to beef up their schedule...
Damn Marion Local wouldve been a fun one. Hawken might have something for them week 10 but that schedule is definitely way lighter than the other contenders
 
Some don’t want to risk injury to kids who are 3-4 year starters. It’s smart, it’s never a bad thing to get other kids reps
"Never" was probably poor word choice. Why not just let the backups play the entire scrimmage? Wouldn't that guarantee no injuries to the starters (assuming a down-the-liner doesn't get pummeled out of bounds and leg whips a starter bystander)? Is it smart to not be in game shape with the kids that will be getting 50+ reps in less than two weeks? If someone is that petrified of getting kids injured, here's a thought - don't scrimmage or practice at all. Just show up to the games healthy, because that's priority one and it's smart.
 
"Never" was probably poor word choice. Why not just let the backups play the entire scrimmage? Wouldn't that guarantee no injuries to the starters (assuming a down-the-liner doesn't get pummeled out of bounds and leg whips a starter bystander)? Is it smart to not be in game shape with the kids that will be getting 50+ reps in less than two weeks? If someone is that petrified of getting kids injured, here's a thought - don't scrimmage or practice at all. Just show up to the games healthy, because that's priority one and it's smart.
Are you drunk lol
 
"Never" was probably poor word choice. Why not just let the backups play the entire scrimmage? Wouldn't that guarantee no injuries to the starters (assuming a down-the-liner doesn't get pummeled out of bounds and leg whips a starter bystander)? Is it smart to not be in game shape with the kids that will be getting 50+ reps in less than two weeks? If someone is that petrified of getting kids injured, here's a thought - don't scrimmage or practice at all. Just show up to the games healthy, because that's priority one and it's smart.
I’m just gonna assume that you don’t understand the difference between the first scrimmage and the second scrimmage lol
 
Damn Marion Local wouldve been a fun one. Hawken might have something for them week 10 but that schedule is definitely way lighter than the other contenders
True but they seemed to have done a lot of summer stuff vs some teams with some elite talent like VASJ with that RB and Gilmour with that TE, not saying its tough but those teams have some amazing talent that can test them and expose a wrinkle or two. Im not sure who their scrimmage teams are. I would be nervous if they had an extremely young team and needed the season to prepare but in reality a light schedule might help them stay healthy and ready for the playoffs. Also will allow them to build depth, letting younger guys get action on Friday nights. Madison, Kirtland, Geneva should all be solid match up with Kirtland being the biggest game. One of two games between two reigning state champs I believe (Eds Glennville). Hawken should be a good team but dont think they come close to perry tho
 
True but they seemed to have done a lot of summer stuff vs some teams with some elite talent like VASJ with that RB and Gilmour with that TE, not saying its tough but those teams have some amazing talent that can test them and expose a wrinkle or two. Im not sure who their scrimmage teams are. I would be nervous if they had an extremely young team and needed the season to prepare but in reality a light schedule might help them stay healthy and ready for the playoffs. Also will allow them to build depth, letting younger guys get action on Friday nights. Madison, Kirtland, Geneva should all be solid match up with Kirtland being the biggest game. One of two games between two reigning state champs I believe (Eds Glennville). Hawken should be a good team but dont think they come close to perry tho
Absolutely. Building depth and getting young guys live reps in season is key for a deep playoff run and for the future
 
I’m just gonna assume that you don’t understand the difference between the first scrimmage and the second scrimmage lol
Apparently I nor 90% of teams in America do. I've never heard of a team going to a scrimmage and deciding that their 1's would only play a measly 10 reps. Practicing for weeks just to see 10 live reps is absurd. I'm just gonna assume your intel is wrong. There's no way Struthers is that incompetent.
 
Apparently I nor 90% of teams in America do. I've never heard of a team going to a scrimmage and deciding that their 1's would only play a measly 10 reps. Practicing for weeks just to see 10 live reps is absurd. I'm just gonna assume your intel is wrong. There's no way Struthers is that incompetent.
I was there and watched it, it’s not like the entire team didn’t play but 5-6 of the main kids played 10 of offense and 10 of defense.
 
Apparently I nor 90% of teams in America do. I've never heard of a team going to a scrimmage and deciding that their 1's would only play a measly 10 reps. Practicing for weeks just to see 10 live reps is absurd. I'm just gonna assume your intel is wrong. There's no way Struthers is that incompetent.
You do scrimmages for multiple purposes. First of all you want a best on best scenario for timing and competitive rep purposes. In practice teams rarely run more than 10-15 plays of this because you simply cannot afford to get starters hurt. Second purpose is to get guys on film for evaluation purposes. If a guy has been deemed a starter than you already know what you have in him. 10-15 plays on film is plenty for that starter to see what needs to be corrected. Simply put scrimmages are not used in order to win, they are used to evaluate. Don’t get a key player hurt in one and not have him available in two weeks.
 
You do scrimmages for multiple purposes. First of all you want a best on best scenario for timing and competitive rep purposes. In practice teams rarely run more than 10-15 plays of this because you simply cannot afford to get starters hurt. Second purpose is to get guys on film for evaluation purposes. If a guy has been deemed a starter than you already know what you have in him. 10-15 plays on film is plenty for that starter to see what needs to be corrected. Simply put scrimmages are not used in order to win, they are used to evaluate. Don’t get a key player hurt in one and not have him available in two weeks.
Bingo
 
"Among the teams that passed when Perry called, according to Gecewich, were Marion Local, Sugarcreek Garaway and Creston Norwayne"

They tried to beef up their schedule...
Damn Marion Local wouldve been a fun one. Hawken might have something for them week 10 but that schedule is definitely way lighter than the other contenders
I wonder if Perry contacted Struthers...They seem to have open dates due to their less than adequate AD....???
 
You do scrimmages for multiple purposes. First of all you want a best on best scenario for timing and competitive rep purposes. In practice teams rarely run more than 10-15 plays of this because you simply cannot afford to get starters hurt. Second purpose is to get guys on film for evaluation purposes. If a guy has been deemed a starter than you already know what you have in him. 10-15 plays on film is plenty for that starter to see what needs to be corrected. Simply put scrimmages are not used in order to win, they are used to evaluate. Don’t get a key player hurt in one and not have him available in two weeks.
Better have a good program to scrimmage to get an evaluation...plays against the "sisters of the poor" isn't gonna help...timing and getting guys on film doesn't matter if your scrimmaging the bottom of the barrel...10 plays in the first scrimmage is not enough....unless there is a concern that the team you are "evaluating" with, would be to tough to handle for your starters...I say compete...get as many plays as you can because the reps are limited for 95% of these kids.
 
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You do scrimmages for multiple purposes. First of all you want a best on best scenario for timing and competitive rep purposes. In practice teams rarely run more than 10-15 plays of this because you simply cannot afford to get starters hurt. Second purpose is to get guys on film for evaluation purposes. If a guy has been deemed a starter than you already know what you have in him. 10-15 plays on film is plenty for that starter to see what needs to be corrected. Simply put scrimmages are not used in order to win, they are used to evaluate. Don’t get a key player hurt in one and not have him available in two weeks.
Fascinating. I don't remember saying you're there to win, but that makes sense. You must be a coach
 
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