CBC 2021. (Central Buckeye Conference)

nwwarrior09

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Basically what you're saying is Greenon wants/should go to the CBC?
I can't speak for them, but I think as an outsider the OHC move was great at the time for football and basketball for them. Football especially, with what they had entering high school at the time it let them quickly rebuild their football program.

The longer time goes on, IMO, it will prove to be a very bad move for a lot of their non-revenue sports such as boys' soccer. There are too many schools in the league that are either too small or that have poor demographics for their size to be very competitive in the travel ball/country club type sports. In the last three years they have one loss and one tie in boys' soccer in league play.

For as bad as they were in football and basketball their last handful of years in the CBC, they were still finishing 3rd or 4th in their division in the all-sports standings those years. Those sports that picked up the slack such as boys' soccer will dominate in the OHC, especially the south division schools.
 

LELL

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I can't speak for them, but I think as an outsider the OHC move was great at the time for football and basketball for them. Football especially, with what they had entering high school at the time it let them quickly rebuild their football program.

The longer time goes on, IMO, it will prove to be a very bad move for a lot of their non-revenue sports such as boys' soccer. There are too many schools in the league that are either too small or that have poor demographics for their size to be very competitive in the travel ball/country club type sports. In the last three years they have one loss and one tie in boys' soccer in league play.

For as bad as they were in football and basketball their last handful of years in the CBC, they were still finishing 3rd or 4th in their division in the all-sports standings those years. Those sports that picked up the slack such as boys' soccer will dominate in the OHC, especially the south division schools.
It wasn't long ago, Catholic Central dominated soccer. Things go in cycles and it seems like some want to always be on top and never be on the bottom. It doesn't work that way. Look at the MAC over the years. Bottom dwellers who are now State Champions. You have to go through it all to reap the success is all that I am saying.
 

bcw

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This actually makes a very compelling case for what ghsknightsfan has been hinting at what he thinks should happen re: Clark county schools. Particularly if you look at total athletic department strength and not just football and basketball, it makes a lot of sense for Northwestern, Greenon, Kenton Ridge, Shawnee and Tecumseh to be in the same league or division within a league. You could make some argument for Northeastern as well, but i'd lean towards not including them. Prior to 2001 those six made up 75% of the CBC for a decade. The only other schools that had participated in the league prior to divisional expansion were Bellefontaine, Urbana and London.

The trend lately has been away from divisions and towards smaller leagues. Those five plus a few others of similar size/competitiveness in neighboring counties would make the Clark county equivalent of the Miami county centric TRC that starts in the fall.

I could see that happening sometime down the road, but probably not for at least another 10 years at this point.

I agree that the 5 Clark County schools should have stayed together. However, 5 teams isn't enough for a league and once you start pulling in others, it gets convoluted. There's also the issue of Greenon struggling in Football and Boys Basketball for a long time.
 

nwwarrior09

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I agree that the 5 Clark County schools should have stayed together. However, 5 teams isn't enough for a league and once you start pulling in others, it gets convoluted. There's also the issue of Greenon struggling in Football and Boys Basketball for a long time.
Much like Northwestern, IMO more often than not they'd have struggles in those sports regardless of what league they're in. For both they may lack the types of athletes needed to excel in those sports on a consistent basis (short of excellent coaching and an established program), but they have the athletes to excel in other sports regularly.

For as bad as Greenon's football program has been for decades they probably have 20 or so league titles in soccer along with a lot of success in cross country and the distance events in track. Those are the kids they regularly have and that's the ingrained culture there.

I'm getting winded on the league realignment talk, but if they ever pushed that IMO there's definitely a pair of CBC schools in a neighboring county that would jump all over that as teams 6 and 7 if wanted. I don't think they'd have many issues in getting from 5 to 8.
 
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Flevans

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Weird to see a Greenon fan push to separate Urbana from the Clark County schools, seeing as Greenon is the one who left the CBC. Urbana has a 40+ year history with the Clark County CBC schools. When Greenon bailed and created uncertainty in the CBC, Urbana cast its lot with the other Clark County schools and fought to keep the conference together. I'm guessing those schools have a much longer memory than some of the posters on here.
 

ghsknightsfan

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Weird to see a Greenon fan push to separate Urbana from the Clark County schools, seeing as Greenon is the one who left the CBC. Urbana has a 40+ year history with the Clark County CBC schools. When Greenon bailed and created uncertainty in the CBC, Urbana cast its lot with the other Clark County schools and fought to keep the conference together. I'm guessing those schools have a much longer memory than some of the posters on here.
Greenon had every reason to leave, and absolutely no one can blame for that. the athletics program was just not good. they made the right move at the time to the OHC and started to build the program back up. Greenon has nothing against anyone in the CBC. it’s a good league.
 

bcw

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Greenon had every reason to leave, and absolutely no one can blame for that. the athletics program was just not good. they made the right move at the time to the OHC and started to build the program back up. Greenon has nothing against anyone in the CBC. it’s a good league.
They made the right move at the time for themselves. That's fine, but it's odd to see them a few years later trying to get the band back together. Greenon will be just fine in the OHC for years to come.
 

nwwarrior09

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Graham's (now former) football coach is from West Jeff, and I believe this year he wasn't actually in the building at Graham and taught at Mechanicsburg. The extra travel is a huge labor, and with all the talent they're graduating this doesn't seem too surprising to me.

The basketball coach they previously lost was from Madison-Plains. Those both were circumstantial losses for them.
 

OHCStrong

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A blow to Graham as Shane Cahill was named head coach at Madison Plains.
A huge hire for Madison Plains. MP has always had a decent amount of athletes, a culture change was what was needed. They're about to get that.

EDIT: Forgot for a second I was on the CBC thread.

A huge blow for Graham. Cahill had the program going 100% in the right direction. They really can't afford to swing and miss on the next hire.
 

BlackAttack

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going to be tough for Graham to get a good coach this late in the off-season.
How so? Dublin Jerome is still in the process of replacing there coach. They have narrowed down the list to 12 coaches.

There are plenty of coach's out there looking for greener pastures or a new opportunity. This is February, different story if he left over the summer.
 

ghsknightsfan

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How so? Dublin Jerome is still in the process of replacing there coach. They have narrowed down the list to 12 coaches.

There are plenty of coach's out there looking for greener pastures or a new opportunity. This is February, different story if he left over the summer.
usually schools will post the position in november and have a hire by mid december. that’s a normal timeline. february is considered late. Jerome is a bigger school, it’s more sought out. Graham is a D4 that’s not exactly a coaching destination. it will be interesting to see who applies, who knows, they may get a good one of may not
 
Will be an interesting hire to keep an eye on moving forward. I do not know who Cahill had calling the plays in his time or if Cahill himself called plays. However, offensively the Falcons were fun to watch avg around 33 ppg with the P.O.Y playing QB. Whoever gets the nod, there will be some senior production lost to make up for.
 

Pigskin

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Will be an interesting hire to keep an eye on moving forward. I do not know who Cahill had calling the plays in his time or if Cahill himself called plays. However, offensively the Falcons were fun to watch avg around 33 ppg with the P.O.Y playing QB. Whoever gets the nod, there will be some senior production lost to make up for.
Cahill had Cale Burdyshaw call the offense. Burdyshaw is a terrific football coach and really got a lot out of the offensive players. The team was very senior dominant. Next year, Graham must replace almost all of the offense and defense. So whoever they hire, they will have their work cut out for them.
 

justalurker

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Thats a big loss for Graham. I saw a few of their games over the last 3 years, and he had them playing better than I remember for the better part of a decade. And coming from Burg, he saw good coaching and came from a winning culture.
THey need to get the right guy in there. Other than NU, the CBC MR division is ripe for the taking if any school could step up and claim it. THe right guy could have them competing for titles with NU every year.
 

ghsknightsfan

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Thats a big loss for Graham. I saw a few of their games over the last 3 years, and he had them playing better than I remember for the better part of a decade. And coming from Burg, he saw good coaching and came from a winning culture.
THey need to get the right guy in there. Other than NU, the CBC MR division is ripe for the taking if any school could step up and claim it. THe right guy could have them competing for titles with NU every year.
i’m not sure what the upcoming talent looks like for Graham but they lost a very strong senior class. they need to convince more of the wrestlers to play in that schools, there’s potential
 

CedarBuck92

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i’m not sure what the upcoming talent looks like for Graham but they lost a very strong senior class. they need to convince more of the wrestlers to play in that schools, there’s potential
I'm not sure what the current coaches policy is but I heard through the grapevine that Jordan required such a large commitment from his wrestlers that they didn't have time for anything else. He got results though.
 

Pigskin

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I don't think that Coach McIntosh/Jordan requires his wrestlers to avoid football. But if you choose to play, you have to understand that it takes away from wrestling prep. That will get you replaced on the wrestling team - theres just too much talent in the wrestling room. More than a few wrestlers come to Graham to only wrestle. With scholarships on the line, many families will not risk allowing their kids to play football, especially for a team that cannot consistently win football games.

Graham had the right mix of talent in the senior class. With those guys moving on, they are back to square one.
 
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