I believe Coach McDaniels said it best in an article from 2022. He said that it was a mistake returning to McKinley in 2014. He said that when he returned to McKinley, it wasn't the McKinley that he left. The culture was unrecognizable to him. He did not have the stamina and energy to stay long enough to fix it and so he was out in one year which he was not proud of. He left for his own benefit as he states he would have been crazy or institutionalized.
Canton McKinley Football 2024
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Defense wasn’t bad. The offense is the problem. Maybe McKinley’s next head coach should be a Massillon guy. Crable maybe? A thought.
Maybe Edwin Glick?
10404life
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I don't know anything bout them might be a good team in Detroit BuchtelNo he's going with the approach of hyping Cass tech up so it looks better if Mck wins. Not saying Cass can't win but they are most likely a slight better version of Akron Butchel
Benchboss1
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John Lee Pettimore
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Shawn Crable is about Shawn Crable, nothing or nobody else.
Benchboss1
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He chased rings for his kids, and so far, he has come up empty. At least if he had let Tayte stay with his friends, he would at least have one.
Don’t know how true this is, but I heard Hall hasn’t been playing big playmaker k.q. because he attended a summer football camp that he didn’t approve of. If that’s true, it’s terribly petty and nasty.
Looks as if Hall is in the process of ruining this season.
spyros1950
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Hi Raymo, I may not directly be answering your question, but here goes. I also go over to "cantonmckinley.com/facebook" and read what the posters there have to say. Right now, THEY are an angry bunch, and especially not fond of our HC.
To read the comments there, bring up the title page, "X-out" the near top right corner, and then the posts can be read. To post you must open an account, but you will be able to read what is there without one.
I recognize some posters who post both here and there. It also appears to me that mostly only McKinley FANS post over on the other site.
Good luck, hope to see you again at one of the coming games at FAWCETT. GO PUPS! sam
I hate to say this, but it almost looks as if he and McClure are being paid off to keep McKinley football mediocre. Because this definitely was the year that they shouldn’t have been. I heard D M went off in the locker room on him and McClure in the locker room after the last game and that’s not like him. Not good.
RogueStarkGuy
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No one in power cares that McKinley is historically bad. Not the board of education, not the superintedent, not the booster club president or its members, not the athletic administration. They are all buddies with Hall and think he is a nice guy. The people here and who post on Facebook or whatever, are very few. A lot of people who are upset McKinley is bad have just given up that anything will change and don't bother with the program anymore. And here's the reality, even if Hall were to leave, the people in power would not hire a good coach. They'd just hire another bozo because he's from Canton, or knows the superintedent, or has any other "qualification" that doesn't include coaching a high-level football program. McKinley football as we knew it, pre-2010 or so, is dead. Its just taken some people 10 or 15 years to realize it.
WhatDoIKnow23
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No body of merit wants this mess. No can fix these problems.
Two ways to fix.
1. Bring in guys. Then the town hates you. Because their kids aren’t playing. Massillon culturally accepts transfers. McK never willl. Too arrogant the talent is there.
2. Build from ground up. Problem is no one is being given time. And most in the community just can’t buy into 1 vision. Too many know it alls at younger levels who can’t coach but think they can.
The problem isn’t McKinley. Or the admin or the boosters. The problem is our community as a whole. Too any divisions. Too many egos. Too many family issues. A complete mess that Hall didn’t create and but cant seem to solve either
There is no coach who can fix McKinleys issues.
It will never be fixed
Two ways to fix.
1. Bring in guys. Then the town hates you. Because their kids aren’t playing. Massillon culturally accepts transfers. McK never willl. Too arrogant the talent is there.
2. Build from ground up. Problem is no one is being given time. And most in the community just can’t buy into 1 vision. Too many know it alls at younger levels who can’t coach but think they can.
The problem isn’t McKinley. Or the admin or the boosters. The problem is our community as a whole. Too any divisions. Too many egos. Too many family issues. A complete mess that Hall didn’t create and but cant seem to solve either
There is no coach who can fix McKinleys issues.
It will never be fixed
RogueStarkGuy
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I strongly disagree.
The "town" provides about 2K of attendance at McKinley games now. There is no "town" to provide too much hate. If people are afraid of unwarranted criticism, get out of education.
You act as if somehow Canton is uniquely dysfunctional. It's not. Every single town has factions who don't like a coach, etc... Canton from a facilities, talent, and tradition standpoint is starting on 3rd base and they choose to run backwards to first.
Agreed that Hall didn't create the mess YOU are talking about. But the mess that comes from bad practice routines, poor execution, and bad assistant coaches IS his creation.
Boosters are ineffectual.
Admin is gutless and lazy.
Community division has existed forever in this town.
Do you think Hall has it tougher than late 1980's McD who had petitions being distributed by influential booster members to get him fired? I do not.
Disagree. McKinley is, if not a sleeping giant, a sleeping ogre that needs some competent TLC.
Probably true, but not because there is no way. It's because there is no will.
TigerBeast78
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Never will accept transfers
Hello you had 8 this year including 4 from Texas. Last year you had a handful including your QB Rode. Mck has not had a kid from Canton at QB in a long time. McKinley don't accept transfers and never will... Funniest thing I've ever heard on yappi and couldn't be further from the truth.People that can make a difference need to realize the magnitude of this statement…….
Sad, if not gut-wrenching, comments by RogueStarkGuy, but unfortunately right on the money comments. Very insightful! As I stated in an earlier post on this thread (post #178) apathy has a strangle hold on "Bulldog Nation" however you want to define it. As to the post by spyros1950, related to the players being angry and hate the HC, I rhetorically and very respectfully ask the question, what becomes of this situation? Will it force action on Hall by the Board of Education? (Terminate his contract?) Will many of the players simply quit and leave the team? What you have described is a near mutinous scenario! Again, I ask these questions both rhetorically and respectfully. Thank you.
In reference to the Canton McK basketball program, supposedly, many in the "community" including players, vented their "hate" for HC Andy V. and he eventually resigned as HC. Will Hall?
McKinley and GlenOak, currently two football programs plagued by apathy, negative culture, intimidation tactics and disruptive factions. Here's a crazy idea...shut the programs down for a couple of years, bring in totally new "well qualified and well experienced" coaching staffs with a new culture that demands respect and discipline. I'd rather witness a program that Bulldog supporters are proud of, regardless of wins and losses, than the current embarrassment on display.
In reference to the Canton McK basketball program, supposedly, many in the "community" including players, vented their "hate" for HC Andy V. and he eventually resigned as HC. Will Hall?
McKinley and GlenOak, currently two football programs plagued by apathy, negative culture, intimidation tactics and disruptive factions. Here's a crazy idea...shut the programs down for a couple of years, bring in totally new "well qualified and well experienced" coaching staffs with a new culture that demands respect and discipline. I'd rather witness a program that Bulldog supporters are proud of, regardless of wins and losses, than the current embarrassment on display.
Oil Filter
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Here's a crazier idea: CCSD and Plain Local need to combine into one district. Two high schools, one athletic program.
I agree with the context of your post, however, if I am not mistaken, and if I am, I willingly accept being corrected, the "transfer subject" is in reference to official school district policies, pertaining to closed enrollment or open enrollment. Indeed, transferring athletes, in all sports, has been part of Canton McK history. Whether the transfers are from Alliance, Louisville, Central Catholic, GlenOak, Akron Hoban or Massillon, or from wherever is completely irrelevant.Never will accept transfers
TigerBeast78
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It could be but he never mentioned open or closed enrollment. He just said Transfers.
Then there would be a huuuuuuuggggggge fight over the name and where the school should be. Just bring in competent coaches that is all McKinley needs. It is not undo able.
CantonAnon
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At the end of the day, Hall wasn’t horrible until he made this OC hire. The former OC was ridiculed endlessly (probably unfairly) but this new guy has taken McKinley’s offense to an all-time low.
Oil Filter
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It's been three games for the OC. Do ya think you might be a little quick on the trigger?