Water Polo 2011

Second that one

Yes, it sounds like sour grapes. SC's losses to Milford were early season and they won the last matchup against a rested Milford team after playing three back-to back games. Also, they dominated SF in the state final, which took care of Milford in the semis. They beat a UA team 4 times, which also beat Milford pretty easily in the consolation game. SC had two rookie goalies just getting experience throughout the year. I think their field players were the deepest of any team and it showed throughout the year and especially in the tournaments. Their combined last two year record was something like 59-10, with half of those losses coming to teams from out of state. I would say that is pretty dominant. Not a dynasty, true, but dominant.
 
ive got to agree with the other guys, just another example of how outcomes of earlier games dont tell the whole story, a few years ago wk won states winning 5 or 6 games during the year by 1 goal, but only lost 1 in state game all year, they were still the dominant team that year as sc has been the last couple, 3 1 goal games over ua doesnt mean that it was a tossup it just means they found a way to win... on a different note who do you guys think is the favorite heading into next year, i would go with ua having 5 or 6 guys back with a lot of time, but sc will be tough as will tw, sycamore and sf
 
Until they lose the title or clearly aren't going to get back, you have to look at SC as the favorite. Although they lose a number of seniors, their goalie returns along with a number of underclassmen who contributed to their state victory. I think it was an underclassman who scored the winning goal against UA.
 
I believe SC is losing more "starting" players than anyone. But they do have some stunning depth as seen in a JV team that hasn't lost a game in several years. That transition make make cost them some games early in the year, but I agree with Aquacard they will be back at states to try and defend their title next October.
 
You are a tough crowd, maybe being a little harsh with Mukisa. He is proud of Milford's wins this season and perhaps Milford might know a little about a winning tradition Ohio polo as well. Excellent back to back wins for SC, but no reason to pile on. UA, Milford and SF played all played well this season.
 
swimfan said:
But I think SC may get upset so I will go with St. Francis & Thomas.
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Shows what I know. Congratulations St. Charles!

preeder61 said:
Excellent back to back wins for SC, but no reason to pile on. UA, Milford and SF played all played well this season.
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Agreed. I would add a well done and well played to the Worthington teams each one improving throughout the season. Also, give credit to Princeton for their impressive run in the South Regional that nearly placed them in the final four. Although SC certainly is at the top of the heap there's plenty of company up there.
 
Wow, a bit of an over-reaction here. Been away from the computer a few days, so haven't had a chance to see the responses. Never said SC wasn't good or deserving of their title, as they won all season long. They won when it mattered most, and there is something to be said for coming through in those times. Especially in consecutive years. Been a while since we had a repeat champ. Just said they weren't dominant. To be dominant, you need to dominate. We were 3-1 against them, UA was 3-1 against us, SC was 4-0 against UA (with most games coming short-handed...and the one at the end with a full strength team was a very close game). Room at the top. They won a lot of games this year, and won a lot last year. We went 41-7 this year. But we weren't dominant. We had a lot of close games. But we weren't the best team out there. The record can be misleading. Only 5 of our wins came against the state final 4 teams (3 to SC, 1 to UA, 1 to SF). 3 Losses to UA, 1 to SF, 1 to SC, 1 to Huron, 1 to Thomas. Records can be misleading.

59-10 over 2 years is very impressive. Outside of Milford, did SC lose to anyone in Ohio this year? I don't think they did. If true, that's impressive, But not dominant.

Not dominant in that there is room at the top for competition. Dominant to me says no team can compete. The Huron team post-Serbian exchange student is dominant. The Rockford teams of the mid '00's was dominant. The St. Francis teams of the late 90's were dominant. There have been teams that ran through every team in the state with out a challenge before. There was a team a few years back with 4 or 5 1st team All-Ohio kids on it. That's a dominant team. This SC team was not one of them. Best team this year? Yup. They proved it. Congrats to them. Well earned.

Moving on.
 
Had our end of season meeting yesterday

We had our coaches meeting yesterday. Voted on All-Ohio awards, which I do not have in front of me as I did not write them down. Will get those out when I get them - sorry. I know most of the spots, but did not want to post an incomplete list.

Not many changes were made, so here are they few we made for next season.

Teams will earn their regional ranking and will choose which slot they want in the regional tournament bracket. 1st seed will get 1st pick, last seed gets last pick.

North Regional will be hosted by St. Charles next year. Sylvania Northview in 2013.

Gary Tameris is retiring from coaching, but will remain on board as Ohio Water Polo President.

So we have a few changes.
 
Coach,
After UA had 4 or 5 guys 1 st team all ohio, the rules were changed in the voting so that this would not happen again. Right now SC had two first team, one second team and one honorable mention. Also player of the year.
Also Milford played in the ohio cup and state did not see you in the finals this year or last.
 
As far as I am aware, there are no limitations when it comes to voting on the All Ohio teams at the end of the season. If a team is deserving of having 4 or 5 first teamers, there is nothing from preventing that from happening.
 
jb123 said:
As far as I am aware, there are no limitations when it comes to voting on the All Ohio teams at the end of the season. If a team is deserving of having 4 or 5 first teamers, there is nothing from preventing that from happening.
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Correct. A coach can put everyone of his players up for 1st team. It is up to the coaches to vote them in.

BHS, They are elite, they were the best this year. They were best last year. But you're kidding yourself if they are dominant. Get over yourself.
 
bhs warrior said:
Also Milford played in the ohio cup and state did not see you in the finals this year or last.
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I am unclear about the point you are making here? Are you saying that a coach from Milford is not allowed to voice an opinion because his team was not in the finals of either the Ohio Cup or that State Championships in 2010 or 2011?
 
mukisa said:
Correct. A coach can put everyone of his players up for 1st team. It is up to the coaches to vote them in.

BHS, They are elite, they were the best this year. They were best last year. But you're kidding yourself if they are dominant. Get over yourself.
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I did not say that SC is Dominant, elite or the best. But if you are going to talk the talk you should walk the walk. When it counted SC got it done. So now I will go get over myself.
 
danield9tqh said:
Just thought it was interesting that Pioneer beat Huron in the Michigan East Regional final last weekend.
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I saw that. First loss of the season? Or 2nd?

Had previously beat Pioneer by 8, 2, and 6. Then a loss to them 5-4. Must have been a fun game to watch. Playing a team several times a year really helps the weaker team. Can really set up a game plan, and all you have to do is execute once to get a victory. Worked here for them. State tournament should be exciting next weekend.

Would be really nice to have Districts, Regionals, Bye-Week, then States.

Slowly but surely we're adding teams.
 
Do you think that the format used in Michigan (Districts, Regionals, States) will be approved in Ohio with the addition of more teams? Are there more teams on the horizon for the next few years?
 
jb123 said:
Do you think that the format used in Michigan (Districts, Regionals, States) will be approved in Ohio with the addition of more teams? Are there more teams on the horizon for the next few years?
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Tough to answer. We did change the format for regionals to be more in line with other ohsaa sports, so change isn't out of the question. We would need about 2x as many teams though to add a weekend of playoffs.

You can lose at regionals and make states in water polo for Michigan and Ohio. However, ohsaa sports if you lose at any step of the tournament you are out. Seeing as we play same teams several times a year, I like the format of allowing a team to advance with a loss. But we are a ways away from this being reality.

Teams forming?
Keep an eye on Dayton. Our moose program did a U-14 thing against them. They had about 20+ kids from oakwood and centerville play. Their coach expects a team or two soon.

Keep an eye on the moose program. We've talked about it being an avenue for non-polo playing schools in Cincinnati. Ideally we could field a team for boys and girls for high school play, and that could be a foot in the door at non polo schools. Still in talks about that.

With X having success, that bodes well for us all. We'll see if anything comes from it.

As of now, next year looks like this year. Haven't heard of new or losing any teams yet.
 
2011 ALL OHIO 1ST TEAM

GIRLS

NAME GRADE TEAM POSITION

Katie Allison 12 Thomas Field
Annie Blackman 12 Thomas Field
Marissa Jaskot 12 Upper Arlington Field
Julia Prus 12 Milford Field
Kelly Stiebler 12 Upper Arlington Field
Jessie Sworden 12 Napoleon Field
Paige Torbet 12 Mason Field
Aleeyse Utech 12 Milford Field
Erika Vocke 12 Napoleon Field
Jessie Sworden 12 Napoleon Goalie


PLAYER OF THE YEAR: Katie Allison


2011 ALL OHIO 2ND TEAM

NAME GRADE TEAM POSITION

Samantha Bloom 11 Napoleon Field
Lauren Comer 12 Upper Arlington Field
Beth Long 12 Upper Arlington Field
Aahley Parks 12 Thomas Field
Rachel Rust 12 Princeton Field
Claudia Smith 12 Thomas Field
Maureen Sullivan 10 Mason Field
Stephanie Turner 12 Upper Arlington Field
Kayla Villano 12 Milford Field
Carly Porteus 11 Thomas Goalie

2011 ALL OHIO HONORABLE MENTION

NAME GRADE TEAM POSITION

Cassie Barrett 12 Kilbourne Field
Makenzie Garringer 11 Napoleon Field
Erin Glass 10 Sycamore Field
Alex Hamit 12 GlenOak Field
Mariah Hudson 12 Milford Field
Abby Jank 11 Thomas Field
Sarah Mamo 11 Upper Arlington Field
Emmy Sehmann 09 St. Ursula Field
Emily Quigley 12 Sylvania Field
Megan Wolf 10 Mason Field
Dani Rust 10 Princeton Goalie

2011 ALL OHIO 1ST TEAM

BOYS

NAME GRADE TEAM POSITION

Daniel Cogan 12 St. Charles Field
Dan DiSalle 12 St. Francis Field
David Matulis 12 Milford Field
Natty Patterson 12 St. Charles Field
Andrew Rabe 12 Upper Arlington Field
Andrew Ribbe 12 GlenOak Field
Nick Walz 12 Princeton Field
Adam Wolf 12 Thomas Field
Matt Zimmerman 12 St. Francis Field
Dan Morgan 12 Princeton Goalie


PLAYER OF THE YEAR: Natty Patterson

2011 ALL OHIO 2ND TEAM


NAME GRADE TEAM POSITION

Keeler Callahan 12 Kilbourne Field
George Doyle 12 Thomas Field
Alex Frank 12 Milford Field
Drew Hugenberg 12 Sycamore Field
Alex Kocher 12 St. Charles Field
Brad Lebling 12 Mason Field
DJ MacDonald 12 St. Francis Field
Sean Neri 12 Upper Arlington Field
Thomas Prus 12 Milford Field
Nick Brown 12 Milford Goalie

2011 ALL OHIO HONORABLE MENTION


NAME GRADE TEAM POSITION

Brandon Burzynski 12 Sylvania Field.
Cole Doran 12 Kilbourne Field
Chris Hayes 12 St. Xavier Field
Stephen Ioas 11 Sycamore Field
Max Jelen 11 Upper Arlington Field
Magnus Emde Larsen 11 Milford Field
Tyler Monnot 12 GlenOak Field
Nick Mossing 12 Napoleon Field
Zach Poltor 12 St. Charles Field
Erik Spraul 11 Princeton Field
Connor Trimble 11 St. Francis Field
Mason Zurovchak 11 Thomas Field
 
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All State

Interesting list. Not as many goalies as last year. Would have thought UA's goalie deserved a mention. Also wonder why each team contains more than 7 players. It is a bit hard to imagine players from the four state teams not dominating the lists a bit more. While it has been debated about whether St C was dominant this year, it could hardly be a debate that St C, UA, Milford, and St F were the four best teams (by far). I would love to see their combined record against the rest of the teams in the state. That record would likely indicate that those four teams had the best players. While I understand the inclination to be inclusive, I would have liked to have seen this reality represented a little more in the list.
 
Out of the 1st and 2nd team 12 of the 20 players are from the final four. I would be hard pressed after watching the season to remove any of the 20 from that list as the best players in the State. If this team could be put together I don't think anyone in the state could put together a team to beat them.

You have to give credit where it is due just because your team made the final four it does not mean all the players on that team are the best players in the state. Granted they did work together well enough to get there.

Look at this as kind of an all-star team I guess.
 
Granted I never watched a Glenn Oak game, it's hard to imagine how a team can have one of the top 10 players in the state and not win a single game.
 
danield9tqh said:
Granted I never watched a Glenn Oak game, it's hard to imagine how a team can have one of the top 10 players in the state and not win a single game.
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Not that hard to imagine when you can vote for your own player and they get points based on their ranking. You rank your kid first, and put a couple blanks. Very flawed. Lots of stronger resumes out there.
 
danield9tqh said:
Granted I never watched a Glenn Oak game, it's hard to imagine how a team can have one of the top 10 players in the state and not win a single game.
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"Not that hard to imagine when you can vote for your own player and they get points based on their ranking. You rank your kid first, and put a couple blanks. Very flawed. Lots of stronger resumes out there."

Would not be if you watched actually a very strong player. Sure there maybe some flaws. I guess the coaches would have to change the process if you don't like the way it is done.

I watched an awful lot of games last season and while some things maybe could be moved around on the list I think it is pretty solid. The guys with the skills are on the list.

How did one girl take two slots though?
 
WATERDAD said:
"Not that hard to imagine when you can vote for your own player and they get points based on their ranking. You rank your kid first, and put a couple blanks. Very flawed. Lots of stronger resumes out there."

Would not be if you watched actually a very strong player. I guess the coaches would have to change the process if you don't like the way it is done.

I watched an awful lot of games last season and while some things maybe could be moved around on the list I think it is pretty solid. The guys with the skills are on the list.

How did one girl take two slots though?
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I agree that the list is pretty solid. As a non-voting coach, I get to see the process. And I think there are some flaws with it. But, the list is pretty solid still. I think it is flawed that a coach can vote for their kid at 1st, and leave other deserving kids off the list, just so their kid gets points while others don't. I don't like that at all.

1 girl snagged 2 spots, because she was nominated as a Field/Goalie. She played a lot at both spots this year, and the coaches voted her as such. There was discussion about if a player can only get 1 spot, but we did not have a rule set specifically for that, so we kept it as is. We rarely get a player that does keeper and field like that, so it really never was a topic before.
 
scwat said:
While it has been debated about whether St C was dominant this year, it could hardly be a debate that St C, UA, Milford, and St F were the four best teams (by far).
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Thomas & Princeton might take issue justifiably with the "by far" aspect of your claim. Regardless, the final four have 6 of the 10 first team spots and 12 of the 20 first & second team spots. That's 60% of the team which seems about right.
 
aquacard said:
Thomas & Princeton might take issue justifiably with the "by far" aspect of your claim.
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Thanks for noticing, I was holding my tongue on that comment.

I risk sounding like rjones here, but I was surprised by how few UA players were represented. For coming within 4 seconds of the final game you'd think that they might have more All-Ohioans. Their goalie makes the All-State Championship team, but does not even appear on the All-Ohio list.
 
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