UNLV quarterback leaves program amid apparent dispute over NIL payments

IVCguy said:
I would like to know more about how this happened.

Let's assume these facts are true:

An asst coach recruiting a portal QB makes some kind of representation or assurance about an NIL deal worth 100K.

The QB signs with the school based on, at least in part, the verbal offer from the assistant coach.

If so, we all know that a verbal or handshake deal is legally unenforcable. Why would the player sign without an actual NIL contract and why would his agent (assuming he had one at the time) allow him to sign without a bona fide NIL deal?
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likely more than one person in this whole mess is lying. And it's UNLV football, who cares.
 
14Red said:
likely more than one person in this whole mess is lying. And it's UNLV football, who cares.
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And then there's that. Lol

Human beings are wildly reactionary. All the power used to reside with the institutions and the NCAA - and we were exposed over decades to the ridiculous rules that resulted in athletes being unable to sell their own property, get funding for other sports (WR Jeremy Bloom was not able to accept endorsements in order to ski at the Olympics), athletes were going hungry at times, etc. It was really all due to the institutions' insistence on holding on to an out-dated amateur model. It created this ridiculous situation where billions of dollars were washing through college football and basketball because of the play of college athletes, but the monetary benefits to those athletes were paltry.

So, we get to the point where we recognize the problems with the amateur model and we replace it with... nothing? No rules, boundaries, or controlling organization? It's the wild west and the power is shifting to the players - and this Sluka thing shows the problems with that shift and a lack of firm rules regarding NIL, transferring, eligibility, and a viable enforcement organization.

This sport is so good and has so many great things going for it, but if it doesn't address these issues soon, it will get severely damaged.

Things that need done: Federal anti-trust exemptions/protection; defining the relationship between athletes and institutions (employees, sub-contractors, other); collective bargaining re revenue sharing and "work" conditions; uniform rules around NIL (collectives vs private individual contracts); portal and transfer rules that make roster mgt mote practical for coaches, preserves the right of a player to move, but limits and attaches consequences to doing it; incentivizing getting degrees; creating an enforcement organization that is supported by institutions and players.

FWIW
 
IVCguy said:
And then there's that. Lol

Human beings are wildly reactionary. All the power used to reside with the institutions and the NCAA - and we were exposed over decades to the ridiculous rules that resulted in athletes being unable to sell their own property, get funding for other sports (WR Jeremy Bloom was not able to accept endorsements in order to ski at the Olympics), athletes were going hungry at times, etc. It was really all due to the institutions' insistence on holding on to an out-dated amateur model. It created this ridiculous situation where billions of dollars were washing through college football and basketball because of the play of college athletes, but the monetary benefits to those athletes were paltry.

So, we get to the point where we recognize the problems with the amateur model and we replace it with... nothing? No rules, boundaries, or controlling organization? It's the wild west and the power is shifting to the players - and this Sluka thing shows the problems with that shift and a lack of firm rules regarding NIL, transferring, eligibility, and a viable enforcement organization.

This sport is so good and has so many great things going for it, but if it doesn't address these issues soon, it will get severely damaged.

Things that need done: Federal anti-trust exemptions/protection; defining the relationship between athletes and institutions (employees, sub-contractors, other); collective bargaining re revenue sharing and "work" conditions; uniform rules around NIL (collectives vs private individual contracts); portal and transfer rules that make roster mgt mote practical for coaches, preserves the right of a player to move, but limits and attaches consequences to doing it; incentivizing getting degrees; creating an enforcement organization that is supported by institutions and players.

FWIW
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Or, just make all sports leagues accept players at any age. Let's face it, the underlying theme of this is money and it's always been. I laugh when the "college kids hungry" excuse is given. Part of the athletic scholarship is free food. The school cafeteria is there. If a player has to miss a meal due to practice or games, it's the schools responsibility to feed them. And let's face it, ever met an 18-22 year old who's not hungry every two hours?

The one kid who was in the Olympics, in track at age 16 was recognized at the Ravens game last night. Let's just cut the crap. If you feel like you can play in the NFL at age 16, go ahead. You likly won't but other sports allow youth to play professionally. Half of the female tennis / golfers are in their teens.

We need to get back to the day when a college education was valued. Few value it anymore and yet 90% of these D1 college athletes, even at the highest levels will NEVER play professionally.
 
14Red said:
Or, just make all sports leagues accept players at any age. Let's face it, the underlying theme of this is money and it's always been. I laugh when the "college kids hungry" excuse is given. Part of the athletic scholarship is free food. The school cafeteria is there. If a player has to miss a meal due to practice or games, it's the schools responsibility to feed them. And let's face it, ever met an 18-22 year old who's not hungry every two hours?

The one kid who was in the Olympics, in track at age 16 was recognized at the Ravens game last night. Let's just cut the crap. If you feel like you can play in the NFL at age 16, go ahead. You likly won't but other sports allow youth to play professionally. Half of the female tennis / golfers are in their teens.

We need to get back to the day when a college education was valued. Few value it anymore and yet 90% of these D1 college athletes, even at the highest levels will NEVER play professionally.
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Well, I was one of those hungry athletes. Not usually, bit occasionally.

What you have to factor in is that there were all kinds of rules and limits on "free food" and when you find yourself in one of the holes the rules didn't account for, you were hungry - and then you pay out of your pocket to eat, which is fine, assuming you have some money in your pocket. Not everyone did.

So, don't laugh at that. It was a real thing.
 
IVCguy said:
Well, I was one of those hungry athletes. Not usually, bit occasionally.

What you have to factor in is that there were all kinds of rules and limits on "free food" and when you find yourself in one of the holes the rules didn't account for, you were hungry - and then you pay out of your pocket to eat, which is fine, assuming you have some money in your pocket. Not everyone did.

So, don't laugh at that. It was a real thing.
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Not saying it didn't happen, but it's used way too much to make these poor scholarship college athletes seem like the homeless.

You know I just wish someday there would be a movement where college athletes would come out and say how appreciative they were for their free education, one they wouldn't have got otherwise while the rank of file classmates paid their own way. There's just such a lack of simple gratitude these days. And these young people go into life just waiting for things to be handed to them.
 
IVCguy said:
Well, I was one of those hungry athletes. Not usually, bit occasionally.

What you have to factor in is that there were all kinds of rules and limits on "free food" and when you find yourself in one of the holes the rules didn't account for, you were hungry - and then you pay out of your pocket to eat, which is fine, assuming you have some money in your pocket. Not everyone did.

So, don't laugh at that. It was a real thing.
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“Was” being the operative word here. Even D3 athletes don’t lack food to eat. Certainly D1 kids aren’t.
 
14Red said:
Not saying it didn't happen, but it's used way too much to make these poor scholarship college athletes seem like the homeless.

You know I just wish someday there would be a movement where college athletes would come out and say how appreciative they were for their free education, one they wouldn't have got otherwise while the rank of file classmates paid their own way. There's just such a lack of simple gratitude these days. And these young people go into life just waiting for things to be handed to them.
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To me, as much as they are making in NIL they should be paying their own way now. I mean, they tell us all the time that it really isn’t all that valuable, so go ahead and pay for that yourself.
 
Hammerdrill said:
To me, as much as they are making in NIL they should be paying their own way now. I mean, they tell us all the time that it really isn’t all that valuable, so go ahead and pay for that yourself.
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I know of very few athletes who didn't understand the value of their degree. I suppose for those elite players who are potential high draft picks, you probably see that more because they are looking at life-changing generational wealth if they can play pro football through 2 contracts.

I played with 3 NFL players - all either late round picks or undrafted free agents. That was on the 1AA (now FCS) level. A little different than what Ohio St has going on.

The problem with making players pay for their education is there are only a handful of guys making big NIL money on a given team. Everyone has access to whatever the school collective pays, but the back-up RG doesn't have the same NIL opportunities as the star QB, WR, RB, and whoever shines on defense. So, your long-snapper most surely can't afford the cost of his education.

I dont know what is feasible. Im just spit baIling here, but I think the revenue sharing has to include the cost of education plus whatever is reasonable. So let's say the min total value shared is 80K. You subtract the value of 2 semesters = actual monies paid. If the long snapper and back up RG have their education plus 30-35K in their pocket, they are probably happy.
 
Hammerdrill said:
To me, as much as they are making in NIL they should be paying their own way now. I mean, they tell us all the time that it really isn’t all that valuable, so go ahead and pay for that yourself.
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I guess it's valuable if you're paying for it.
 
IVCguy said:
I know of very few athletes who didn't understand the value of their degree. I suppose for those elite players who are potential high draft picks, you probably see that more because they are looking at life-changing generational wealth if they can play pro football through 2 contracts.

I played with 3 NFL players - all either late round picks or undrafted free agents. That was on the 1AA (now FCS) level. A little different than what Ohio St has going on.

The problem with making players pay for their education is there are only a handful of guys making big NIL money on a given team. Everyone has access to whatever the school collective pays, but the back-up RG doesn't have the same NIL opportunities as the star QB, WR, RB, and whoever shines on defense. So, your long-snapper most surely can't afford the cost of his education.

I dont know what is feasible. Im just spit baIling here, but I think the revenue sharing has to include the cost of education plus whatever is reasonable. So let's say the min total value shared is 80K. You subtract the value of 2 semesters = actual monies paid. If the long snapper and back up RG have their education plus 30-35K in their pocket, they are probably happy.
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Key word is whatever is reasonable. Which is different if you have 100 people in the room. To me, the current player today has no bearing on the marketing and ability for these schools to negotiate these contracts. They only happen to be here right now to accept the rewards. I'm ok going back to no NIL crap. It's time that college sports goes back to being college sports. As you say, only a slim few are really making big money, and in team sports it's position determined. I've wondered how the O-line feels when the QB has a sweet car and all nice things and they are scraping to get by? They have as much impact on how that QB performs as anyone. To me that's why this system doesn't work.
 
14Red said:
Key word is whatever is reasonable. Which is different if you have 100 people in the room. To me, the current player today has no bearing on the marketing and ability for these schools to negotiate these contracts. They only happen to be here right now to accept the rewards. I'm ok going back to no NIL crap. It's time that college sports goes back to being college sports. As you say, only a slim few are really making big money, and in team sports it's position determined. I've wondered how the O-line feels when the QB has a sweet car and all nice things and they are scraping to get by? They have as much impact on how that QB performs as anyone. To me that's why this system doesn't work.
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Parties with different interests define "reasonable" every day via negotiation and bargaining in every aspect of business.

Got news for you - perks have always gone to star players and they are treated different. It's the nature of sports and the star vs just another guy type of players.

Here is what I like about NIL: it allows players to market and cash in on what is theirs, allowing them to sell their marketable assets. That's fair and purely American.

What I don't like is the collective part. Some are administrated by the schools, some by boosters, some by who knows. There are agents, family members, and unsavory characters running around seeking money for HS and portal players to sign with schools. There are no rules or regulations around it, and it will corrupt the sport if there is no across-the-nation rules that everyone has to follow. Collectives run by schools can be the equal per player revenue sharing mechanism and can be turned into an answer instead of being a major problem - but it needs a national framework. FWIW
 
IVCguy said:
Got news for you - perks have always gone to star players and they are treated different. It's the nature of sports and the star vs just another guy type of players.

Here is what I like about NIL: it allows players to market and cash in on what is theirs, allowing them to sell their marketable assets. That's fair and purely American.
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I completely disagree. Not with the perks part, it was illegal and should had been. It's just that college presidents/ AD's and other high ranking officials let it go just to try to win. Winning fair and square somehow was lost along the way.

As far as NIL, when you're in college, you're not marketable?? CJ Stroud didn't make Ohio State football, he was part of a big, popular team that would back anyone who was their QB. Why should he cash in on that? It took Ohio State decades and alot of success to get to where they are at. And I'm not picking on Stroud, just using him as an example. The guys in college football and basketball go to these schools as much for a pathway to pro sports and a free education? How did that become lost?
 
14Red said:
I completely disagree. Not with the perks part, it was illegal and should had been. It's just that college presidents/ AD's and other high ranking officials let it go just to try to win. Winning fair and square somehow was lost along the way.

As far as NIL, when you're in college, you're not marketable?? CJ Stroud didn't make Ohio State football, he was part of a big, popular team that would back anyone who was their QB. Why should he cash in on that? It took Ohio State decades and alot of success to get to where they are at. And I'm not picking on Stroud, just using him as an example. The guys in college football and basketball go to these schools as much for a pathway to pro sports and a free education? How did that become lost?
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Yep, this has been my issue too. These players didn’t create Ohio State Football. And if CJ didn’t come here, someone else would have. The only constant is Ohio State Football.
 
Hammerdrill said:
Yep, this has been my issue too. These players didn’t create Ohio State Football. And if CJ didn’t come here, someone else would have. The only constant is Ohio State Football.
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Well if you and I get it, why doesn't anyone else?? :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
Here's the thing, there is really no loser, the schools just got to a point where they made so much money they couldn't spend it fast enough. My fear is eventually college football and possibly basketball will break away from the traditional college model and what happens to all that money that the school gets that supports the "other" sports?? Again few are willing to acknowledge this.
 
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