UNLV quarterback leaves program amid apparent dispute over NIL payments

Yappi

Yappi

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“I have decided to utilize my redshirt year and will not be playing in any additional games this season. I committed to UNLV based on certain representations that were made to me, which were not upheld after I enrolled. Despite discussions, it became clear that these commitments would not be fulfilled in the future. I wish my teammates the best of luck this season and hope for the continued success of the program.”
 
 
Yesterday around noon local time, UNLV JR running back, and NC State transfer, Michael Allen tweeted he was also redshirting after 3 games and will be transferring at the end of the year due to “Expectations for opportunities unfortunately were not met.”
 
nutsnbolts said:
This is a slippery slope. If the players demand specific pay, how long till the schools demand specific minimum performance. It’s going to get worse.
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It has to be acknowledged as minor league football, because that is where it is now—only with school names attached.

Why even have the players go to class? They are simple entertainment for students/alum/fans.
 
boothmark77 said:
It has to be acknowledged as minor league football, because that is where it is now—only with school names attached.

Why even have the players go to class? They are simple entertainment for students/alum/fans.
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Should have the option: take the scholarship offer and attend class and play, or take the NIL and do not have to attend class I. E. Cardale Jones "We aint hear to play school"
 
This is such a sad story. There are so many people who would trade places with his kid, heck other college athletes. He was a starting QB at a D1 football program and they are winning??? This is just so wrong on so many levels. I said from the jump that the whole NIL thing was wrong and a mess. These school operate their cooperatives and there's nothing binding that this kid was going to get $100,000. So you know what, it didn't happen.
Tough lesson all around and a lose lose situation for all involved.

Now, I don't know this kid from Adam, but any school that would even talk to him moving forward would be nuts. How much buy in are you going to have from a kid who just picks up and bails on his team at this point? We have no idea who's telling the truth at this point. The school's collaborative probably has as much to lose so my guess is if they don't have it down that kid gets $100,000, then it didn't happen.
 
Yappi said:
“I have decided to utilize my redshirt year and will not be playing in any additional games this season. I committed to UNLV based on certain representations that were made to me, which were not upheld after I enrolled. Despite discussions, it became clear that these commitments would not be fulfilled in the future. I wish my teammates the best of luck this season and hope for the continued success of the program.”
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My response would be good luck, he'll probably still have that redshirt 15 years from now. Who would ever take this kid on? I've led this team to a good start to the season, but I'm selfish so I'm going to take my ball and go home. What a goofball. And his lawyer as well.
 
14Red said:
My response would be good luck, he'll probably still have that redshirt 15 years from now. Who would ever take this kid on? I've led this team to a good start to the season, but I'm selfish so I'm going to take my ball and go home. What a goofball. And his lawyer as well.
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Let’s say for the sake of argument that he was indeed told he would get $100k. If someone offered you a new job with x amount of money and one day came to you and said, “Hey, we aren’t paying you.” Would you still work there? Nope.
 
This is a prime example of what is wrong in the Wild West early days of the NIL era. I will throw out a crazy third possibility being that of a 3rd party (I.e. let’s say a Big 12 school/collective) reaching out and making a more lucrative NIL offer for next year should the player opt to sit and retain eligibility. Would such a scenario actually surprise anyone?

This is why written contracts matter, as well as there being legitimate consequences for either side breaching it.
 
Cedar_Point said:
Let’s say for the sake of argument that he was indeed told he would get $100k. If someone offered you a new job with x amount of money and one day came to you and said, “Hey, we aren’t paying you.” Would you still work there? Nope.
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IIRC, 14Red has stated multiple times he’s a company man and has let his employer screw him over on pay raises yet hasn’t left. So everyone else would say no, you asked the one person who would say yes.
 
Kid has every right to do this if the school reneges on initial offer.

This all boils down to the NCAA being useless and not having this process regulated. Some simple, fair guidelines with written, signed contracts solves the issue. You sign for $XX for YY years. Both sides need to honor it. School may want an elite guy like Jeremiah Smith to sign for 4 years, but he can negotiate and say I'll sign for 2 years. After 2 years he can get a new 1 year deal or jump in the portal. Of course, contracts can have out clauses for things like career ending injuries or coaching changes to maintain some flexibility for both parties. This is not complicated. Just need the NCAA to do something.
 
wolves82 said:
Kid has every right to do this if the school reneges on initial offer.

This all boils down to the NCAA being useless and not having this process regulated. Some simple, fair guidelines with written, signed contracts solves the issue. You sign for $XX for YY years. Both sides need to honor it. School may want an elite guy like Jeremiah Smith to sign for 4 years, but he can negotiate and say I'll sign for 2 years. After 2 years he can get a new 1 year deal or jump in the portal. Of course, contracts can have out clauses for things like career ending injuries or coaching changes to maintain some flexibility for both parties. This is not complicated. Just need the NCAA to do something.
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Just read up on this. Supposedly the offer was made by an assistant coach, without the knowledge of the head coach. Sluka complained to the head coach after playing three games and not seeing any money. The head coach said he didn’t make the offer, but he would give him $3000.00 to help cover moving expenses for transferring in this year. The dad got upset (have we seen that before)? And of course, nothing in writing for either side to fall back on.

I don’t blame the ncaa for the dumb conduct of the school, player, or dad.
 
Cedar_Point said:
Let’s say for the sake of argument that he was indeed told he would get $100k. If someone offered you a new job with x amount of money and one day came to you and said, “Hey, we aren’t paying you.” Would you still work there? Nope.
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Love it when you compare sports to the real world for the rest of us schmucks. There are wage and hour laws that protect us from these things happening. Does it still happen? Yes, but I'd say it's more manual labor side jobs that are cash under the table without payroll taxes and all that mumbo jumbo.
First of all we have no idea what actually happened.
Listened to a few scenarios this morning and all are possible.

  • This is 100% true, the coach said that and the kid (and his agent) feel they were snookered.
  • It was never said, the kid came from Holy Cross and was trying to cash in on his last year of eligibility. This fell apart and his agent just told him to walk and try it again next year. Side note, how a kid like this feels like he needs and agent?
  • The kid got hooked by the agent, the agent has no recourse than to force this kid to quit and try to recoup his money next year.
And yet many people were all for this NIL crap.
 
nutsnbolts said:
Just read up on this. Supposedly the offer was made by an assistant coach, without the knowledge of the head coach. Sluka complained to the head coach after playing three games and not seeing any money. The head coach said he didn’t make the offer, but he would give him $3000.00 to help cover moving expenses for transferring in this year. The dad got upset (have we seen that before)? And of course, nothing in writing for either side to fall back on.

I don’t blame the ncaa for the dumb conduct of the school, player, or dad.
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Of course not. But if the NCAA had proper guard rails defined, none of this is an issue. Cannot happen without a signed paper.
 
14Red said:
Love it when you compare sports to the real world for the rest of us schmucks. There are wage and hour laws that protect us from these things happening. Does it still happen? Yes, but I'd say it's more manual labor side jobs that are cash under the table without payroll taxes and all that mumbo jumbo.
First of all we have no idea what actually happened.
Listened to a few scenarios this morning and all are possible.

  • This is 100% true, the coach said that and the kid (and his agent) feel they were snookered.
  • It was never said, the kid came from Holy Cross and was trying to cash in on his last year of eligibility. This fell apart and his agent just told him to walk and try it again next year. Side note, how a kid like this feels like he needs and agent?
  • The kid got hooked by the agent, the agent has no recourse than to force this kid to quit and try to recoup his money next year.
And yet many people were all for this NIL crap.
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there is nothing wrong with "this NIL crap". Players at top programs make millions for their university. They deserve a chance to get paid for that. If you disagree with that, you must hate America. The problem is that the NCAA just threw up their hands and said "I give up" instead of putting some basic guidelines and rules in place.
 
nwwarrior09 said:
This is a prime example of what is wrong in the Wild West early days of the NIL era. I will throw out a crazy third possibility being that of a 3rd party (I.e. let’s say a Big 12 school/collective) reaching out and making a more lucrative NIL offer for next year should the player opt to sit and retain eligibility. Would such a scenario actually surprise anyone?

This is why written contracts matter, as well as there being legitimate consequences for either side breaching it.
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His stats suck, right? Passed for 300 yds over the course of 3 games. I can’t believe a bigger school wants him.
 
14Red said:
Love it when you compare sports to the real world for the rest of us schmucks. There are wage and hour laws that protect us from these things happening. Does it still happen? Yes, but I'd say it's more manual labor side jobs that are cash under the table without payroll taxes and all that mumbo jumbo.
First of all we have no idea what actually happened.
Listened to a few scenarios this morning and all are possible.

  • This is 100% true, the coach said that and the kid (and his agent) feel they were snookered.
  • It was never said, the kid came from Holy Cross and was trying to cash in on his last year of eligibility. This fell apart and his agent just told him to walk and try it again next year. Side note, how a kid like this feels like he needs and agent?
  • The kid got hooked by the agent, the agent has no recourse than to force this kid to quit and try to recoup his money next year.
And yet many people were all for this NIL crap.
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Learn to read. My first sentence literally said, “for sake of argument…”
 
Hammerdrill said:
His stats suck, right? Passed for 300 yds over the course of 3 games. I can’t believe a bigger school wants him.
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I wouldn’t think so, just throwing that out there that such a thing wouldn’t be overly surprising in the present era.

He’s not a good passer, but is a very strong runner.
 
Now you can add the Washington linebacker to the list of quitters. Will the numbers spiral like those players who sit out bowl games?
 
Cedar_Point said:
Let’s say for the sake of argument that he was indeed told he would get $100k. If someone offered you a new job with x amount of money and one day came to you and said, “Hey, we aren’t paying you.” Would you still work there? Nope.
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This is correct … but if some assistant, not the boss made the offer and I didn’t get it in writing, shame on me!
 
IVCguy said:
The new world we live in.
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Sick world.

Major red flag. Supposed to be a competitor and leader as QB. Now the RB taps out too.

Team having it's best season in 40 years and abandon your teammates? Playing in a major market and all the attention a successful season will attract and you choose to take your ball and go home?

Crazy.
 
wolves82 said:
there is nothing wrong with "this NIL crap". Players at top programs make millions for their university. They deserve a chance to get paid for that. If you disagree with that, you must hate America. The problem is that the NCAA just threw up their hands and said "I give up" instead of putting some basic guidelines and rules in place.
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They did get paid...with a free education. In an era where the federal government is ripping off taxpayers under the guise of people can't pay their student loans the value of that can't be understated.
 
y2h said:
Sick world.

Major red flag. Supposed to be a competitor and leader as QB. Now the RB taps out too.

Team having it's best season in 40 years and abandon your teammates? Playing in a major market and all the attention a successful season will attract and you choose to take your ball and go home?

Crazy.
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I would like to know more about how this happened.

Let's assume these facts are true:

An asst coach recruiting a portal QB makes some kind of representation or assurance about an NIL deal worth 100K.

The QB signs with the school based on, at least in part, the verbal offer from the assistant coach.

If so, we all know that a verbal or handshake deal is legally unenforcable. Why would the player sign without an actual NIL contract and why would his agent (assuming he had one at the time) allow him to sign without a bona fide NIL deal?
 
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