Two Officials for JV Game

cincifbfan said:
And there in lies the problem. That slot is on the LOS by both NFL and NFHS standards. His helmet crosses the center's waistline which is the NFL interpretation. It would be even more on the LOS under NFHS. But again, it's getting ignored by officials despite NFHS putting it out there to specifically penalize without warning.
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Become an official and throw the flag. I guarantee your world view would be crushed if you ever put on the stripes.

You are clueless...
 
cincifbfan said:
And there in lies the problem. That slot is on the LOS by both NFL and NFHS standards. His helmet crosses the center's waistline which is the NFL interpretation. It would be even more on the LOS under NFHS. But again, it's getting ignored by officials despite NFHS putting it out there to specifically penalize without warning.
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How many NFL, NCAA, NFHS, or OHSAA rules meetings have you personally sat through?

In other words, you have no idea what you are talking about.
 
Gamma Gobbler said:
That was odd the rater would be in the press box. They are usually on the field and follow the LOS with their clipboard. To say anything to anybody, on the field or in the box, is not ethical. They are after all, a part of the crew they are rating and to speak with anyone would undermine the integrity of the crew.
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I am usually in the box like AS said if there is room. In recent years I've gotten on the headset with the crew as well to listen in. But I dont talk to anyone (unless I bring a buddy which does occur).
 
cincifbfan said:
And there in lies the problem. That slot is on the LOS by both NFL and NFHS standards. His helmet crosses the center's waistline which is the NFL interpretation. It would be even more on the LOS under NFHS. But again, it's getting ignored by officials despite NFHS putting it out there to specifically penalize without warning.
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Nope. You simply do not know what you are talking about.

Were you this bad as a coach too?
 
umpire16 said:
I am usually in the box like AS said if there is room. In recent years I've gotten on the headset with the crew as well to listen in. But I dont talk to anyone (unless I bring a buddy which does occur).
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Now, that would be interesting to hear what the officials are saying to each other.
 
chs1971 said:
Nope. You simply do not know what you are talking about.

Were you this bad as a coach too?
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Please enlighten me then.

A back is an “A” player who has no part of his body breaking the plane of the waist of the nearest teammate who is on the line of scrimmage. Formations become illegal when backs are not clearly in the backfield. If an offensive player lines up by intersecting the waistline of the tackle, but not the center, Team A has committed an illegal formation foul because all Team A players must be a lineman or back. Receivers who wish to line up as a back should have “daylight” between the rear end of the nearest lineman and their nearest body part.


Help me understand what I'm not getting from the "points of emphasis " from NFHS. The slot WR in question in the example above definitely intersects the waistline of the nearest teammate on the LOS. There is also no "daylight" between the rear end of the nearest lineman. Help me correct my ignorance please. Explain to me what I'm missing.
 
cincifbfan said:
Please enlighten me then.

A back is an “A” player who has no part of his body breaking the plane of the waist of the nearest teammate who is on the line of scrimmage. Formations become illegal when backs are not clearly in the backfield. If an offensive player lines up by intersecting the waistline of the tackle, but not the center, Team A has committed an illegal formation foul because all Team A players must be a lineman or back. Receivers who wish to line up as a back should have “daylight” between the rear end of the nearest lineman and their nearest body part.


Help me understand what I'm not getting from the "points of emphasis " from NFHS. The slot WR in question in the example above definitely intersects the waistline of the nearest teammate on the LOS. There is also no "daylight" between the rear end of the nearest lineman. Help me correct my ignorance please. Explain to me what I'm missing.
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At the risk of putting a hole in the wall and suffering a concussion, I'll try to explain this to you.... I suspect that it will be futile....

I'll start with a situation....

A85 is lined up 3 yards from his own sideine. B24 is in man coverage/press coverage.

Immediately at the snap, A85 grabs B24 by the shoulder pads and holds him ( a textbook example of a hold).... at the same time A14 takes the snap and immediately throws the ball to the opposite sideline where A80 receives the WR screen pass and and advances for an 11 yard gain.

You are the LJ standing right next the A85 & B24..... do you think the hold right in front of you should be penalized.....?


Why or Why not?

Do
 
cincifbfan said:
And there in lies the problem. That slot is on the LOS by both NFL and NFHS standards. His helmet crosses the center's waistline which is the NFL interpretation. It would be even more on the LOS under NFHS. But again, it's getting ignored by officials despite NFHS putting it out there to specifically penalize without warning.
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IT's a problem for you. As long as the game is called the same and fairly both ways their is not issue for many.
 
AllSports12 said:
At the risk of putting a hole in the wall and suffering a concussion, I'll try to explain this to you.... I suspect that it will be futile....

I'll start with a situation....

A85 is lined up 3 yards from his own sideine. B24 is in man coverage/press coverage.

Immediately at the snap, A85 grabs B24 by the shoulder pads and holds him ( a textbook example of a hold).... at the same time A14 takes the snap and immediately throws the ball to the opposite sideline where A80 receives the WR screen pass and and advances for an 11 yard gain.

You are the LJ standing right next the A85 & B24..... do you think the hold right in front of you should be penalized.....?


Why or Why not?

Do
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So you won't tell me what I'm missing with the NFHS points of emphasis and instead try to get me with a gotcha.
 
You still didn’t answer his question though. Everyone on the “line” should be legally on the line and anyone who isn’t should legally be off.
 
spirit454 said:
IT's a problem for you. As long as the game is called the same and fairly both ways their is not issue for many.
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No, it's a problem for NFHS. Why have the rule if it won't be enforced? NFHS even calla out the fact that there is a decrease in enforcing illegal formations by officials. If it wasn't a big deal, NFHS wouldn't call attention to it, but wanted it to be emphasized this year.
 
cincifbfan said:
No, it's a problem for NFHS. Why have the rule if it won't be enforced? NFHS even calla out the fact that there is a decrease in enforcing illegal formations by officials. If it wasn't a big deal, NFHS wouldn't call attention to it, but wanted it to be emphasized this year.
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It was bad enough in the nfl they got Baltimore 3 times in the first drive of the first game, but reverted to their old ways pretty quickly in that one. I agree there has most certainly been a decrease in enforcing formation penalties in NFHS.
 
cincifbfan said:
So you won't tell me what I'm missing with the NFHS points of emphasis and instead try to get me with a gotcha.
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You don't want to learn, you just want to bitch about officiating.

Only an sweetie would call a hold on the play I describe. It's not going to be called by any official worth their salt at any level..... and the powers that be don't want us to call it.

If you had a clue you'd know that in spite of the interpretation by rule, the governing bodies in every state have the lattitude to interpret things differently than the NFHS. In the case of on or off the line of scrimmage, they don't want us splitting hairs. The picture you posted is splitting hairs.


If you ever sat through a rules meeting that the officials sit through you would know this..... You haven't and that's why you havent a clue what you are talking about.

You may now resume your uninformed, ignorant bitching.... :ROFLMAO:
 
AllSports12 said:
You don't want to learn, you just want to bitch about officiating.

Only an sweetie would call a hold on the play I describe. It's not going to be called by any official worth their salt at any level..... and the powers that be don't want us to call it.

If you had a clue you'd know that in spite of the interpretation by rule, the governing bodies in every state have the lattitude to interpret things differently than the NFHS. In the case of on or off the line of scrimmage, they don't want us splitting hairs. The picture you posted is splitting hairs.


If you ever sat through a rules meeting that the officials sit through you would know this..... You haven't and that's why you havent a clue what you are talking about.

You may now resume your uninformed, ignorant bitching.... :ROFLMAO:
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So could you point me to where I can find a copy of the OHSAA interpretations that are different than NFHS? Sounds like an interesting read.
 
There's a difference between knowing the path and walking the path.

There's the letter of the law and the spirit of the law.

Take your pick. You're getting very OCD technical on a matter that 99% of the population doesn't and wouldn't ever want to care this much about something.
 
Sykotyk said:
There's a difference between knowing the path and walking the path.

There's the letter of the law and the spirit of the law.

Take your pick. You're getting very OCD technical on a matter that 99% of the population doesn't and wouldn't ever want to care this much about something.
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Im noy disagreeing with you on this comment. But when the governing association calls out some things that they want all officials to do better at (emphasize), then you should probably do it. As the release stated, the reason this is an issue at all is because the rules were not enforced. If you don't enforce a rule, you don't really have a rule then.
 
While to many it may seem trivial, but it is a huge advantage to coaches.

Coaches can use the "splitting hairs" approach to disguise an eligible TE, or even someone lined up in OT position. Teams are also the past few seasons putting multiple receivers on the same side of the formation on the LOS as essentially an unbalanced formation. This "gray area" that shouldn't be gray at all deeply affects how teams play defense. In the example picture for instance, I would line a defender up completely differently if the wideout is eligible (truly off the LOS) compared to them being ineligible and only a blocker. It's confusing for the kids on defense because they can't tell who's on and who's off. So this is why it is vital to ensure players are truly on or off the LOS as defined by rules 2-32-3 and 2-32-9.
 
cincifbfan said:
No, it's a problem for NFHS. Why have the rule if it won't be enforced? NFHS even calla out the fact that there is a decrease in enforcing illegal formations by officials. If it wasn't a big deal, NFHS wouldn't call attention to it, but wanted it to be emphasized this year.
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It has already been determined that most if not all rules are a judgment call. Crews typically discuss how tight a game will be called. Sometimes they adjust during the game, so it can change but because you don't like it doesn't change anything from your seat in the stands.
 
cincifbfan said:
What difference does that make?
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Head coaches are much more connected to the official ranks. Head coaches attend much more meetings and are involved in much more conversations explaining calls, non-calls and the intentions behind a call. Reading a rule book does not make you an expert no more than reading Oprah's book makes you an expert parent.
 
chs1971 said:
I won't. I've wasted enough of my life with you already.
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And it is clear you are part of the problematic officials I was discussing. Instead of having actual discussion you just gaslight, and throw insults. That's a super mature thing that children do when they are wrong and called out on their bullcrap.
 
cincifbfan said:
And it is clear you are part of the problematic officials I was discussing. Instead of having actual discussion you just gaslight, and throw insults. That's a super mature thing that children do when they are wrong and called out on their bullcrap.
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Just face it, you’re wrong… and it’s just not one person telling you.

Become an official and stop complaining.
 
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