And yet from sources I hear from, it isn't. I know two small school AD's that are outside of the MAC conference. They have told me over the years they have received multiple calls from Marion wondering about the possibility of a game. One of them scheduled a couple games with them early in the 2000's and did ok. Then a new AD came in and was going to improve the schedule and scheduled them on a year when that program was down. That was the end of being open to playing them. It was not good for either team. I know I'm wasting my time responding, as you have made up your mind, scheduling is easy.
Three teams drop out to avoid playing Marion Local in playoffs…
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EagleFan
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would be, if the premise was remotely accurate.
First one I found was the D4 game from last year with Urbana as the 15 seed. They beat the #2 from Chillicothe pretty soundly. I didn't look further but pretty sure there was a 16/1 upset.
If going to 16 teams is just a “money grab,” doesn’t that mean that there are many fans still paying to go see 1 v 16?
If fans are paying to go see it, is it a “money grab” or “responding to what the market wants?”
I agree money is a huge factor in all of this, but if the first round games didn’t make a profit, we wouldn’t be here. They make a profit, so people must want them.
If fans are paying to go see it, is it a “money grab” or “responding to what the market wants?”
I agree money is a huge factor in all of this, but if the first round games didn’t make a profit, we wouldn’t be here. They make a profit, so people must want them.
underthelights
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The problem is viewing high school kids as a product to be sold for profit goes against the moral fabric of what interscholastic athletics is supposed to be. It's not about what the market wants, it's about offering kids the opportunity to play a game and compete. The role of adults in this is purely to support the kids while at the same time ensuring that they are kept as safe as possible.
Many fans are definitely NOT going to 1 vs. 16 games. They are horribly attended, except for family and the old heads who go to scrimmages with a lawn chair. Don't pretend that anyone remotely "wants" to see 63-0 games.
Ok so if they don’t make money, then it can’t be a money grab.
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In D7, #15 Convoy Crestview beat #2 Tiffin Calvert last year 42-14 was another 15/2 upset I found and that wasn’t close.
Basement Bias
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Seems like a tweak is needed in the system. Maybe FR should have been the 16th seed from the start but the metrics aren't factoring the SOS enough for them.man, with all due respect, I don’t think you understand how down bad some of these programs are!
Like, having football at some of these places is a miracle in and of itself! They’re held together by tape and good fortune. We’re talking having less than twenty kids in the entire program! No real expectation they have in actually making the playoffs! These coaches aren’t coming in into Sunday morning after week 10 thinking their team is actually in!
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“Congratulations! You, 2 win team of <20 or so kids whose other wins came against teams in the same boat, get to play another week of football! Get ready to go return the jerseys to your kids!”
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Please, bro. It is not lucrative, sparsely attended, and generally pathetic, but 100% money grab. Just like charging regular season ticket price for a practice scrimmage would be a money grab, for the few who would pay to see it.
If you don’t make a profit it can’t be a money grab because you’re literally losing money.
Who said they don't make a profit? Are you alleging OHSAA is losing money due to expansion?
RollingTrain
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And Crestview was anything but a #15 seed caliber team. They were a top 8 team in that region that plays in a much better league.
AllSports12
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The denial that $$ was the reason is the most disappointing, if not comical, aspect.
Add the fact that 70% of the coaches (486 of 711) were against expansion to 16 teams and 55% of that wanted 12 teams confirms that the powers that be ignored the coaches.
Add the fact that 70% of the coaches (486 of 711) were against expansion to 16 teams and 55% of that wanted 12 teams confirms that the powers that be ignored the coaches.
Basement Bias
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So the seeding system needs an overhaul it appears.
You said it’s “not lucrative and sparsely attended.”
I took that to mean you were saying they don’t make money. If the attendance they get is enough to turn a profit, then why is everyone complaining? Enough people want to see 1 v 16 to make a profit, the schools that want to play are playing, ok then. Give the people what they want.
Insane92
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I agree but I was also just giving another example.
Sure. But if the paying public comes out to see 1 v 16, and the schools sign up to play it, what’s the problem?
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I believe it was D2 # 16 little Miami beating #1Xenia last year or the year before
Probably yes. There are times that a 9-1 or 10-0 team that plays no one has more points than a much better program that plays a much harder schedule. Nothing we have been able to do has made scheduling easier (incentivized teams to play up) and it frankly appears undoable at this point.
smurfyeah19
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Agreed. I can't remember which thread it was in, but I made mention that if the state sanctioned 8 man you'd see a plethora of schools go along with it simply because of what Marion Local is doing to that division. I'd like to see as others have mentioned 6 divisions with an all encompassing 8-man division & a mandate of 20 man minimum on the roster to play 11. If you fail to hit that number, your forced down to 8-man for two years. It would help protect schools with stable programs from losing a game due to unstable rosters at other schools
Ouch that is sad. Yes I am sure there are cases like that and maybe many cases, but overall OHSAA comes out ahead with expansion.
AllSports12
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Then why the need to lie about it?
I certainly don’t defend the OHSAA pretending like money wasn’t the primary factor. But at the same time, I don’t personally care if money was the only factor. Schools have the choice to play or not. People have the choice to attend or not. If enough schools want to play and enough people want to see it that it makes a profit, ok then. Give the people what they want.
Very good recall. You are thinking of 2022 , #2 Xenia vs #15 New Miami. This apparently happens more often than I would have guessed. And at the higher Divisions is really surprising. What is not surprising is most of those low seeds lose the next game, so it is more an erroneously placed high seed than a super strong low seed, I think is what I read in that?
AllSports12
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Nor do I
Agreed 100%
The "people" weren't clamoring for it, which brings us back to the lie.