Three teams drop out to avoid playing Marion Local in playoffs…

TigerBeast78 said:
Three teams that are soft and cowards with no heart .You don't see the team that got their butt kicked 63-0 already by them refusing to play again. You don't not play a team because you dont think you can beat them. That's weak AF
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At what point is it unsafe for a team to play Tiger? 13 guys? 12 guys?

a year or 2 ago..I think CCD was undefeated and had to cancel season for injuries? They soft? a D7 16 seed soft if they get injured to the point they cant field a team? Curious how weak it is if a team doesnt have 11 guys?

Keep in mind also, a lot of these schools have the end of the 1st quarter come around and eligibilty hits anywere from week 8 to week 11.

I agree teams should suck it up and play, but you have to realize some physically cannot. Unless you have inside information, you should check your opinions on topics like this. If look at Lockland on Joe Eitel, they had to cancel a game vs a team they had a chance to win against. Doubt they did that because they were soft.
 
Byron Hadley said:
At what point is it unsafe for a team to play Tiger? 13 guys? 12 guys?

a year or 2 ago..I think CCD was undefeated and had to cancel season for injuries? They soft? a D7 16 seed soft if they get injured to the point they cant field a team? Curious how weak it is if a team doesnt have 11 guys?

Keep in mind also, a lot of these schools have the end of the 1st quarter come around and eligibilty hits anywere from week 8 to week 11.

I agree teams should suck it up and play, but you have to realize some physically cannot. Unless you have inside information, you should check your opinions on topics like this. If look at Lockland on Joe Eitel, they had to cancel a game vs a team they had a chance to win against. Doubt they did that because they were soft.
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I'm sure nobody is fielding a team with 11 guys or they would be playing 8 man. My point is I've never heard of a school decline to play the post season
 
TigerBeast78 said:
Again taking about the team that backed out. You play football to make the post season and Plenty of teams are going to play powers that they have no chance in beating but will show up and take their butt whooping.
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Cedarville was the 17 seed at 4-6. The 4 teams they beat had a combined total of 5 wins. Had Cedarville been the 16 seed they would have played. But being the 17 seed why would they. Cedarville played Marion Local last year in the playoffs so they are not "soft" or "cowards" as a couple of you have referenced. Cedarville finished their game last Friday night with 14 healthy players. Their starting QB broke his collarbone. Their starting RB / LB injured his shoulder and their starting LT tore his labrum. Their 2 best WR's have a broken jaw and broken hand. None of those kids would be able to play Week 11. This team had 3 seniors and only 1 of them had played football before. Why would you send a handful of freshman and sophomores up there? Especially when you didn't earn a top 16 seed. Seems like common sense prevailed.
 
TigerBeast78 said:
I'm sure nobody is fielding a team with 11 guys or they would be playing 8 man. My point is I've never heard of a school decline to play the post season
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There's around 600-700 teams in ohio. I would bet a good number of those schools this week if they had to play would have 12 or 13 or fewer players.

I'll even start a new thread to see.
 
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ColumbusCatholic said:
Says the guy from a program of probably 80-100 players. It’s a different sport in other parts of the state. Pick the 18 smallest least capable dudes on Massillons roster and send them to play Hoban or Ed’s. You good with that?
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Bro I really don't care what you gotta say , this is coming from the same people who always complaining about everybody gets a trophy but then you condone somebody backing out because they're scared to play a team?
 
D4fan said:
Very good recall. You are thinking of 2022 , #2 Xenia vs #15 New Miami. This apparently happens more often than I would have guessed. And at the higher Divisions is really surprising. What is not surprising is most of those low seeds lose the next game, so it is more an erroneously placed high seed than a super strong low seed, I think is what I read in that?
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Indian Valley #13 seed beat Logan Elm #4 seed.
 
Byron Hadley said:
At what point is it unsafe for a team to play Tiger? 13 guys? 12 guys?

a year or 2 ago..I think CCD was undefeated and had to cancel season for injuries? They soft? a D7 16 seed soft if they get injured to the point they cant field a team? Curious how weak it is if a team doesnt have 11 guys?

Keep in mind also, a lot of these schools have the end of the 1st quarter come around and eligibilty hits anywere from week 8 to week 11.

I agree teams should suck it up and play, but you have to realize some physically cannot. Unless you have inside information, you should check your opinions on topics like this. If look at Lockland on Joe Eitel, they had to cancel a game vs a team they had a chance to win against. Doubt they did that because they were soft.
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I'd say 15 or 16 HEALTHY bodies and you can compete in the mid to lower end of D7. I would expect those to be all varsity players as well. The problem is having 16 kids, but 5 or 6 are freshman puts you in a bind. This is also assuming that you have a couple lineman bodies for backup as well as a couple skill. It would be extremely difficult to complete a full 10 game season, but you should be able to structure it in a way to complete 7 or 8 games barring no major rash of injuries. Any less than that on a gameday, and I would think you are in serious danger of having to forfeit in the middle of a game.
 
Just for fun, How many D7 teams do you think you would have to combine before you could field a team that could beat Marion Local? Subtract Minister as a possible team to pull from.

Let's assume:
The combined "all star" team forms at the start of the summer and gets to practice together and play an entire 10 game schedule before this year. I will also allow you to hire any D7 coaching staff of your choosing to coach this team.

I'd still take Marion at even money against this hypothetical team.
 
We'reAllWashedUp said:
I'd say 15 or 16 HEALTHY bodies and you can compete in the mid to lower end of D7. I would expect those to be all varsity players as well. The problem is having 16 kids, but 5 or 6 are freshman puts you in a bind. This is also assuming that you have a couple lineman bodies for backup as well as a couple skill. It would be extremely difficult to complete a full 10 game season, but you should be able to structure it in a way to complete 7 or 8 games barring no major rash of injuries. Any less than that on a gameday, and I would think you are in serious danger of having to forfeit in the middle of a game.
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Just wondering - does anyone know of this ever happening in an Ohio high school football game?
 
Byron Hadley said:
Seriously... and im not being a jerk... is 12? is 13? Curious to your opinion what minimum should be
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Ok I will be a man if they only got 12 kids then I can understand that but the original post did not say that it said they were scared to play Marion local. I understand that youth football and high school football are in two different stratospheres but I took my 10u football team in the playoffs to go play a team that had 30 players we previously met them in the regular season and got absolutely throttled lol but I refuse to just show my kids that when something is not in your favor quit and we did go play them and we almost beat them in the playoffs to go to the championship. But I understand if they only got 12 kids then I kind of agree
 
CJK84 said:
Just wondering - does anyone know of this ever happening (having to forfeit in the middle of a game) in an Ohio high school football game?
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In 2018 Richmond Heights forfeited to Kirtland in the 1st Quarter. I believe the score was 13-0 at the time.
One player got injured and had to leave on a stretcher.
 
hammer89 said:
When I say the people “want it” I mean their financial support enables it and continues it, whereas if no one showed up and these games lost money they’d probably go away.
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Underrated comment. HS football is a commodity — you vote with your wallet.
 
The Dock said:
Underrated comment. HS football is a commodity — you vote with your wallet.
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The majority of games they make money on outweigh the minority of games they lose money on. Some extremely EXTREME mismatches were and are expected, and accepted, for the greater good ($$$).
 
nupanther said:
Sitting in the stands it flat out amazes me the lack of knowledge about Harbins.
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Which is why people like you & I, who have been well schooled on Yappi have to share our knowledge with the world. 😁

In that regard, I just made a lengthy Facebook post explaining the Harbins system and how it affected the East-Chaney ordeal. I think that people are started to get it.
 
Sounds like the OHSAA needs to put a minimum number of players to be eligible for 11 man. Also, would Marion Local be allowed to request to play up at a higher division? Thought I read on here you can only request to go to D1 or no movement. Not sure if that is true or not. Marion Local could realistically play D5 and have similar success. Why subject D7 teams to that?
 
You see this alot in jv and/or freshmen games. A team will cancel due to some injuries and/or not enough players to field a competitive team. I think ML in D7 is a unique situation so I can't be too harsh on some podunk rural D7 w/ 20 kids declining the "opportunity" to play ML, and ML should be more than happy to accept a forfeit under those circumstances. It may rarely be the case but at some point there is in fact nothing to be gained by anyone involved.
 
TigerPaw said:
You see this alot in jv and/or freshmen games. A team will cancel due to some injuries and/or not enough players to field a competitive team. I think ML in D7 is a unique situation so I can't be too harsh on some podunk rural D7 w/ 20 kids declining the "opportunity" to play ML, and ML should be more than happy to accept a forfeit under those circumstances. It may rarely be the case but at some point there is in fact nothing to be gained by anyone involved.
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TBH I think Fort Recovery only took the game to keep clout within the Conference. If they weren't in the MAC, they wouldn't have taken the game either.
 
Basement Bias said:
Sounds like the OHSAA needs to put a minimum number of players to be eligible for 11 man. Also, would Marion Local be allowed to request to play up at a higher division? Thought I read on here you can only request to go to D1 or no movement. Not sure if that is true or not. Marion Local could realistically play D5 and have similar success. Why subject D7 teams to that?
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Like many others in this thread, wrong focus here.

The entire concept of "Competitive Balance" exists to avoid both this situation and all these other tangential conversations. That OHSAA chooses to use the tool of Competitive Balance in some situations and not others is where this conversation should start and stop. Everything else is just noise.

Marion Local should not be playing in D7, period, full stop.
 
When Cedarville had played Mechanicsburg earlier this year Cedarville had about 21 kids and 4 weren’t dressed/were either on crutches or had casts on. Burg was beating them pretty bad and Cedarville was struggling against Burg JV and had multiple players go down that game against Burg, couldn’t imagine what it would be like against ML.
 
We'reAllWashedUp said:
Just for fun, How many D7 teams do you think you would have to combine before you could field a team that could beat Marion Local? Subtract Minister as a possible team to pull from.

Let's assume:
The combined "all star" team forms at the start of the summer and gets to practice together and play an entire 10 game schedule before this year. I will also allow you to hire any D7 coaching staff of your choosing to coach this team.

I'd still take Marion at even money against this hypothetical team.
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Reason being...Tim Goodwin
 
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