State2013-1
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I got in trouble for this earlier... need to re wire the brain
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Three teams drop out to avoid playing Marion Local in playoffs…
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Did you really say"as good as they think they are"? Maybe you meant the 99.9% of all sports writers.
simkon
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Everyone here keeps on saying Marion Local could "compete" with the big schools so if that is the case they will opt up next year if not then they realize they don't have a chance and everyone's claims on here were ludicrous and absolutely false. If they opt up then we can see what they do in the playoffs in D-I
State2013-1
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Why do you keep bringing D1 up as if we all aren't talking about competing with D3 on down. No one has said anything about D1. Of course any D3 school we ever play is "garbage" to you so it doesn't matter anyways. I guess we'll see what Wapak pulls off this year
simkon
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The greater majority of the time as of late the only good D-III school in your general area is Central Catholic, the rest are not very good in comparison.
State2013-1
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Of course "winning in the playoffs doesn't indicate you're any good." How could I forget
ColumbusCatholic
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I think a factor that should be considered when considering moving a team up should be returning starters. Win it all with a strong class of sophomores and juniors? Sure move them up. But if it’s all seniors it really doesn’t make much sense. It’s not even the same team. Kind of like when college teams get bowl bans for something a coach who left did years ago
simkon
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The problem is that most years all the good teams in division III are not in the region in your area, with the exception of Central Catholic when they dropped down from D-II. If there were good teams in D-III besides Central Catholic in Northwest Ohio then it would be a different story but generally there aren't most years lately.
State2013-1
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"Good" in simkons eyes
Whasup
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I know we aren't supposed to talk to you but I'm genuinely curious. Why would you say no good teams in D3 come from this area?
State2013-1
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MilkAthletesCorn
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Columbus Grove, from what I've heard, was also a benefactor of current CB formula.
They are still in the same division as Marion Local.....not sure how they got any benefit lol
simkon
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There have been some in the past, some areas are generally stronger than others in the various different divisions. For instance Northeast Ohio has been strong of late in D-II between Archbishop Hoban, Avon, Massillon et al with the only really good team in D-II being Central Catholic before they dropped down to D-III. In D-III before Central Catholic dropped down Northeast Ohio also had been strong for a while, and then previous to that I think Trotwood-Madison was really good for quite a few years in a row. Some divisions are equally strong between all regions right now and some have most of the top teams all in one or two regions and occasionally one region doesn't have any good teams even. Perhaps in the future some teams in other parts of Ohio will be at the same level as the Northeast Ohio teams or the Northeast Ohio teams won't be as good relative to the rest of the state resulting in more pairity between the rest of the regions.
True but just another example of the absurdity of CB pushing bad teams up and great teams down.
Toledo Central Catholic is 120 miles away from Marion local HS. Not sure that is the same general area. I don't believe anyone has said Marion Local would win Div 1, 2, 3 or 4. I believe it has been said is they would compete. There are numerous bad teams in all those divisions, just like there are bad teams in the smaller division and ML would beat those bad teams, plus COMPETE with some of the better teams. More than likely, not the top teams in those divisions but they would at least compete with 50-75% of them. Marion Local, and other teams in the MAC have played and beaten the teams in the WBL, which are Div. 3, 4 and 5 teams. The WBL has consistently been a decent league for years with numerous State Champions. A couple of years ago, Van Wert won D4 in 2020, Wapak, St. Marys and Celina have all had season they won several playoff games.
aLefty
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So what you're saying is ML could make the CFB Playoffs?
MilkAthletesCorn
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True! But they wouldn't fare much better against Coldwater either.
Thavoice
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O course.
Burreaux
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We are on the same page this is all that matters. Enjoy your flapjacks the next time you have them
CB has nothing to do with whether or not a team is good or bad. Nobody is getting pushed anywhere. They fit where the numbers say they fit. It's only in place because of the rampant transfer & open enrollment that is occuring. 30 years ago this wasn't an issue. If you want blame somebody blame the D6 schools with a high CB number. If they wouldn't have so many open enrollees and transfers they would have been in D7 and ML and CG likely would still be in D6True but just another example of the absurdity of CB pushing bad teams up and great teams down.
JCNThoughts
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Did you miss the part where Marion DID play up the second week of the season with a D3 school? (Franklin)
Marion has scheduled a D3 school either week 1 or 2 since 2016. The exception being a D4 team in 2018.
How can you make a statement like "schedule up" but not realize that they consistently do so and win those games?
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JCNThoughts
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OHSAA changed how the calculate the CB number in about 2018 and a general open enrolment does not effect this number anymore. I'd suggest looking up the calculation that they have posted on their site.
aLefty
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They mean schedule up like St Ed or the Bengals
JCNThoughts
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Maybe OSU needs an exhibition game for Marion's week 1. It would be nice to play in the shoe.
JCNThoughts
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So if you don't have 600+ kids per grade you just don't matter now? Marion has 1/10 the grade size of D1 schools and regularly compete against schools 4 times their size and win.
No, just any top 50 in D1 thru D4. Wapak sits at 49 this year. They were a good opponent and it is impressive enough that ML can beat them. We are just curious how they would do, because they ARE great, not trying to insult anyone.
Problem w/ transitive scores... I had a lesser opinion on D5 after Clarkson beat #1 Ironton then a week later Massillon beat them 45-6. But then a week later Ed only beat them 22-12. So maybe Ironton is better than I thought who knows, lol. Sometimes teams can have a good game or a bad game.