Three teams drop out to avoid playing Marion Local in playoffs…

Tarblooder_Rocketgrad said:
St. John’s last year and NFL Europe… Logoff ma’am.
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You're 💩 me right? St John's was loaded with D1 talent and if I'm not mistaken they was coming off a championship in 2022.NFL Europe was a unique opportunity for our kids to be able to fly out to Oregon and to play a team from another country... I can tell reading isn't too high on the priority list in Cleveland is it?
 
MassillonK1D330 said:
You're 💩 me right? St John's was loaded with D1 talent and if I'm not mistaken they was coming off a championship in 2022.NFL Europe was a unique opportunity for our kids to be able to fly out to Oregon and to play a team from another country... I can tell reading isn't too high on the priority list in Cleveland is it?
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It’s as high as ducking is in Massillon. GN and thank you for acknowledging we live in Cleveland, I hope OHSAA is reading this 😃😃😃
 
Funny that every time there is a thread for ML it moves into "But can ML play Ohio State". Point is dropping out of the playoffs due should give ML the W for rd1.
 
FlightCrew said:
The reason I put Wapak, Van Wert and ML together is because they are all from our local area and rest assured Marion local would beat both those teams every year with regularity. No doubt in my mind.
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And Wapakoneta is garbage relative to the top D-III teams, Van Wert was good one year, I will give you that, but they aren't consistently at a level to be competitive in their division.
 
simkon said:
And Wapakoneta is garbage relative to the top D-III teams, Van Wert was good one year, I will give you that, but they aren't consistently at a level to be competitive in their division.
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WTH call a H.S. team garbage classy. Who gave TCC their closest game in the playoffs last year Defiance (scored more pts. on TCC last year than anyone else and the score was 28 - 20 at half). Not saying WBL is a great league, but the top teams are not garbage considering Celina made it to the state semis in D3.
 
Stirred not Shaken said:
WTH call a H.S. team garbage classy. Who gave TCC their closest game in the playoffs last year Defiance (scored more pts. on TCC last year than anyone else and the score was 28 - 20 at half). Not saying WBL is a great league, but the top teams are not garbage considering Celina made it to the state semis in D3.
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I would like to refer you to my full of s**t comment lol
 
Stirred not Shaken said:
WTH call a H.S. team garbage classy. Who gave TCC their closest game in the playoffs last year Defiance (scored more pts. on TCC last year than anyone else and the score was 28 - 20 at half). Not saying WBL is a great league, but the top teams are not garbage considering Celina made it to the state semis in D3.
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How far you get in the playoffs is not directly related to how good any one team is with the exception of the state champion. The state champion is one of the top teams in that division that made the playoffs. The best team might have missed the playoffs entirely, which Cardinal Mooney actually did (they easily beat the eventual state champion in the regular season but missed the playoffs due to playing a extremely difficult schedule). The second best team also could have lost to the eventual state champion in week 11 or a earlier week. The second best team is not necessarily the state runner-up and so on...
 
TigerPaw said:
Regarding roster sizes, certainly not as a rule but you just know some teams would limit their roster or cut kids if it meant gaining an edge. Where there is a rule, there is always a loophole to exploit. I can't say for certain but am willing to bet ML (or others) would be just as dominant w/ a 30-40 man roster esp. in the lower divisions.
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I agree some times would probably look to game the system like that, but it would be incredibly short sighted. Say you had 60 kids sign up for football, but you cut 20 to game the system and get down to 40. Using simple averages of the original 60 you would have 15 from each class. I would figure of the 40 you keep 13 are seniors 13 are juniors maybe 9 Sophomores and 5 freshman. What happens in 2 years? You think those kids that were cut will come back out? Even if they do how good would they be after not playing for a year?

Obviously this assumes simplified averaging for the numbers.
Also assumes the "roster size" is total roster of the football program, not just who dresses on Fridays. I can't see too many schools cutting their freshman and JV programs just to gain the system with their roster size.
 
Hans said:
I agree some times would probably look to game the system like that, but it would be incredibly short sighted. Say you had 60 kids sign up for football, but you cut 20 to game the system and get down to 40. Using simple averages of the original 60 you would have 15 from each class. I would figure of the 40 you keep 13 are seniors 13 are juniors maybe 9 Sophomores and 5 freshman. What happens in 2 years? You think those kids that were cut will come back out? Even if they do how good would they be after not playing for a year?

Obviously this assumes simplified averaging for the numbers.
Also assumes the "roster size" is total roster of the football program, not just who dresses on Fridays. I can't see too many schools cutting their freshman and JV programs just to gain the system with their roster size.
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I agree cutting 20-30 kids was an extreme example but if it was 2-3-4 kids determining which division you were in, that would be very tempting to manipulate - in either direction. Bottom line I don't like the whole notion of roster size determining divisions nor do I like CB in current form.
 
TigerPaw said:
I agree cutting 20-30 kids was an extreme example but if it was 2-3-4 kids determining which division you were in, that would be very tempting to manipulate - in either direction. Bottom line I don't like the whole notion of roster size determining divisions nor do I like CB in current form.
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CB in its current form is a complete joke. Not surprised though, the only thing the OHSAA is good at is making money for themselves.
 
Hans said:
CB in its current form is a complete joke. Not surprised though, the only thing the OHSAA is good at is making money for themselves.
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I think you should review how the OHSAA currently does competitive balance in sports. They had an update to the system around 2018 and it allows or a much more "intuitive" division of schools.
 
TigerPaw said:
Crazy. That's more boys than some have in the entire school, no? I dare you to even imagine that kinda participation rate at a D1-D3. You can't.
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That is one of the reasons they are so successful. They are dressing more kids than most d2-d3 teams. When your kids are not forced to play both ways all game that makes a huge difference. ML is top notch no question. But, when most of the boys are on the football field that is a huge advantage. Most schools in the WBL do not have a roster of 67 kids, yet they are playing in d4 -d5. ML has the best set up to be successful in every way possible.
 
I'd hate to make a bunch of changes to a system just to figure out how to get ML in a higher division. ML enrollment numbers will continually get higher over the next 10 years. Look for them to naturally find their way to D6 and then to D5. I'd hate to try to fix a "problem" that will eventually be fixing itself.
 
If Marion Local is as good as they claim to be then they could have easily played up, everyone had the opportunity to play up if they wanted. If they decline to play up then they aren't as good as anyone is claiming.
 
simkon said:
If Marion Local is as good as they claim to be then they could have easily played up, everyone had the opportunity to play up if they wanted. If they decline to play up then they aren't as good as anyone is claiming.
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Putting the yap in yappi are we
 
simkon said:
If Marion Local is as good as they claim to be then they could have easily played up, everyone had the opportunity to play up if they wanted. If they decline to play up then they aren't as good as anyone is claiming.
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MARION LOCAL
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2@ Convoy Crestview
3@ St. Henry
4(H) Delphos St. John's
5@ New Bremen
6(H) Versailles
7@ Fort Recovery
8(H) Anna
9@ Minster
10(H) Coldwater

Sign the contract and put your money where your mouth is
 
StateChampion2012 said:
MARION LOCAL
1
2@ Convoy Crestview
3@ St. Henry
4(H) Delphos St. John's
5@ New Bremen
6(H) Versailles
7@ Fort Recovery
8(H) Anna
9@ Minster
10(H) Coldwater

Sign the contract and put your money where your mouth is
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No need for them to sign a contract they can opt up next year just like anyone else. They will automatically get all the competition they want in the playoffs if they opt to play up.
 
simkon said:
No need for them to sign a contract they can opt up next year just like anyone else. They will automatically get all the competition they want in the playoffs if they opt to play up.
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If they ran the table (which they wouldn't and we all know it) you'd still claim it wasn't legitimate because their regular season schedule was "garbage." Take a position and own it instead of flip flopping. Either you're good for winning it all or you're not good due to your schedule. Pick one
 
State2013-1 said:
If they ran the table (which they wouldn't and we all know it) you'd still claim it wasn't legitimate because their regular season schedule was "garbage." Take a position and own it instead of flip flopping. Either you're good for winning it all or you're not good due to your schedule. Pick one
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Ok then they can still be trash due to having a weak schedule that is fine by me.
 
simkon said:
Ok then they can still be trash due to having a weak schedule that is fine by me.
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TigerPaw said:
Ouch that is sad. Yes I am sure there are cases like that and maybe many cases, but overall OHSAA comes out ahead with expansion.
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same with profit. Some of those blowout games probably don’t make money, but they are far outweighed by those good matchups that do. All the State looks at is the total not individual games.
 
Gamma Gobbler said:
That is a really good break down of the injuries for the Indians...wow. Looking at the posted roster they have 25, 13 are frosh/soph. The biggest kid, by a fair margin, is 230 lbs and the RB is 210 lbs with 50% of the offense and I assume these are two of the kids you listed as injured...after that, lucky to get 200 lbs out of the other kids and no one skill getting 250 yards total offense. Considering, I don't see this as softs or cowards as it is time to get those kids healthy, move on to winter/spring sports, hit the weight room and bring the core of the team back next year...discretion is the better part of valor.

New Miami opting out due to travel? Ugh, if true, that is a tough pill to swallow. Hell, ML could have donated the 50/50 to cover the travel expenses, maybe a hotel and dinner at a 5-star restaurant. Heaven help us when a school opts out of the state finals due to travel.

As far as the other teams, not named Ft Recovery, what a shizz show of their W/L records. Mississinawa Valley State and TCN were the class of the field and that is a being nice. Reality, FR is best suited and probably should have been the 16 seed. Plus, ML gets a game with the better of all the potential 16 seeds.
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Or they could’ve played the game on a Saturday afternoon or something.
 
simkon said:
If Marion Local is as good as they claim to be then they could have easily played up, everyone had the opportunity to play up if they wanted. If they decline to play up then they aren't as good as anyone is claiming.
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Yes, because hardly anyone considers them to be top notch! LOL
 
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