Three teams drop out to avoid playing Marion Local in playoffs…

TigerBeast78 said:
Oh I know I wasn't judging. I'm just saying I know how people feel about 16 teams making it ,and it just isn't going to get any better
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Thing is once these lower seeds start not wanting to show up for these games, it could be a problem. We already are living in the no show, or cancel society now. So once one starts doing it then trend could start following
 
McMurphy said:
I will predict each there will be more to come
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Probably and if so the OHSAA should penalize them the following year especially if they don't have a legitimate reason. The I don't want to show up because we are going to get our butt kicked isn't a reason. To me if you dont want to participate in state playoffs play 8 man football where there isn't a tournament
 
TigerPaw said:
Interesting. Thanks. Bears repeating an earlier post but the idea that CB forced ML down to D7 is a travesty. But, these are the kind of unintended consequences that can happen when you try to manufacture fairness.
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Oh, too true.

Eastern (Reedsville) is one of three high schools in the sparsely populated 'river county of gold known as Meigs. I can't help but think their CB that shot them up into D6 is a product of kids living closer to Eastern for high school than even their own 'home district' high school. Another example would be Waterford, which weirdly is an inverse of Eastern -- only the mighty Muskingum River separates Waterford HS from Fort Frye HS. One can't help but think if, for some reason, you find yourself disenchanted along the way with either district... that the school on the other side of the river may be more to your fitting.
TigerPaw said:
Same can be said for weak programs that get bumped up over some kids who are not any good and clearly for non-football reasons.
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Following the thread of Competitive Balance in its current form being incompatible with the general student movement that seems to happen almost everywhere for various reasons...

When I saw that Crooksville shot up to Division V via CB numbers (32), on a roster that didn't even have 32 kids across grades 9-12, I couldn't believe it. That means they had a range of 12-16 kids who saw the field (or were in grades 10-12) that were CB tier 1 or tier 2. Math below.

32 isn’t divisible by 3. So they had at least two Tier 1’s. (2)

10 tier 2’s (= 30) and two tier 1’s (= 2) for 12 CB’d kids?

9 T2’s ( = 27) and 5 T1’s (=5) for 14?

8 T2’s ( = 24) and 8 T1’s (=8) for 16?
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I brought this up with my friend @Play60Football over the summer when I first saw it, and here was his response.

The Crooksville number did stick out to me so I asked around. Apparently they have a high open enrollment because the way their district sits. The one that has always been at the forefront is Roseville. Roseville is the little town between South Zanesville and Crooksville but belongs to Philo District for some reason. Roseville is 3 miles from Crooksville and apparently almost all of the kids in that town open enroll to Crooksville, Why wouldn't they (3 miles or 15 miles to Philo). Another thing I wasn't aware of was that Morgan School District is 2 miles from Crooksville high school. So a large number of students open enroll because of the convenience of travel. I'm sure NL district is close to the school as well. So i'm guessing these open enrolled kids are the biggest factor for their CB#.
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D4fan said:
Then you better use something other than Harbins unless picking the top 8 is not the goal. St Henery is very likely #3 in the region and is outside of 8, as is new Bremen. I guess if just putting the teams with the best records in a playoff was the goal then it would work. I do recall a year though when a great MAC school almost missed the playoffs and if I recall won state from the 7 or 8 seed.
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Well, the OHSAA has pivoted in rearranging and creating new divisions before. Now, only 4 or 5 schools DONT make the playoffs. They could certainly pivot in a way to eliminate 100% certain non competitive games and eliminate squads of 60and 70 going against teams with 20 kids.
 
Crimson and Black said:
Well, the OHSAA has pivoted in rearranging and creating new divisions before. Now, only 4 or 5 schools DONT make the playoffs. They could certainly pivot in a way to eliminate 100% certain non competitive games and eliminate squads of 60and 70 going against teams with 20 kids.
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Yes, given a couple days for me to think about it, they could use different criteria and not be necessarily a bad thing. Part of my concern stems from personal experience, where my sons team had only 14 healthy players one year, and second round of playoffs got pretty ugly. Ten of the eleven players never left the field, that is no way to play against a team with special teams , offense and defense all being different kids .
 
4verts said:
Marion Local playing Cedarville would be like Ohio State playing Wittenberg.

Beat your chest all you want about never backing down, but that matchup should never happen. OHSAA is at fault here. 16 per region is not the move.
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In the past four years, there have been 1-16 seed, 6-15 seed, 6-14 seed, 12-13 seed teams that have all made it past the first round. If the argument is that this should NEVER happen, these limited statistics show that is false and is simply improbable. There are many schools that don't play well the first part of the season or simply started with injuries and can result in an upset.
The real statistic that should be focused on is state champions and how none have come from out of the top 7 seeds in this same time with the first seed dominating the titles. In 20023 and 2024, only a 1 or 2 seed won a state title.
If a school is going out to simply play and have fun, let the kids play. If a team is full of injuries and lost the will to play, they shouldn't be shamed for ending their season.
 
Crimson and Black said:
Well, the OHSAA has pivoted in rearranging and creating new divisions before. Now, only 4 or 5 schools DONT make the playoffs. They could certainly pivot in a way to eliminate 100% certain non competitive games and eliminate squads of 60and 70 going against teams with 20 kids.
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Regarding roster sizes, certainly not as a rule but you just know some teams would limit their roster or cut kids if it meant gaining an edge. Where there is a rule, there is always a loophole to exploit. I can't say for certain but am willing to bet ML (or others) would be just as dominant w/ a 30-40 man roster esp. in the lower divisions.
 
D4fan said:
First one I found was the D4 game from last year with Urbana as the 15 seed. They beat the #2 from Chillicothe pretty soundly. I didn't look further but pretty sure there was a 16/1 upset.
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2021 had a 16 win out. In the past four years, there have been 1-16 seed, 6-15 seed, 6-14 seed, 12-13 seed teams that have all made it past the first round.
 
State2013-1 said:
I'm honestly surprised that the state of OH projects Mercer County to have a declining population. We're one of the few counties along with the ones that comprise Columbus that have had consistent population growth.

With that said, yes for D7 they have more but when they are in D6 they have a lot less and still run the table so I would argue it evens out since they're on the border of the divisions.
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If I was starting a family, I would move to Mercer county tomorrow.
 
Don't really blame these teams for opting out, but they need to do it like Lockland did and contact the ohsaa before the end of season. It does need to be pointed that ML goes out of their way not to humiliate these teams. Yes the score is usually ugly, but you can not tell your kids not to play. JV's are in these games early.
 
eastisbest said:
Isn't it soft to call others cowards or soft, behind a screen name? 🤷

There's nothing soft making a decision whether something is relevant or not. These teams played their schedule. The adults are in charge of making sure EXTRAcurricular activites are safe, affordable, regardless what some other system set up. This isn't defending the country. It's a game.

Perspective.
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Well considering since we're all on screen names I guess your point is a little irrelevant right?
 
TigerBeast78 said:
They might not be good with that but they wouldn't back out and that's guaranteed. Declining to play your playoff game because your scared to take your butt whooping lol yeah that's soft and I've never heard of such a thing
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Well Moore declined playing the mighty Tarblooders two seasons in a row but of course he deserves credit for stepping up next season. I’m sure those games against a team from DC and Europe were much more exciting than playing us. Those who live in glass houses… Same to you @MassillonK1D330
 
What I generally do not understand is how everybody talks about how water down the playoffs is and it's pretty much a participation trophy also saying how soft this generation is because "back in my day" but then support a team quitting a playoff game because they don't wanna get blown out. Makes zero sense to me but again if there is a safety issue as far as not having enough players how did you complete the regular season anyway?
 
Tarblooder_Rocketgrad said:
Well Moore declined playing the mighty Tarblooders two seasons in a row but of course he deserves credit for stepping up next season. I’m sure those games against a team from DC and Europe were much more exciting than playing us. Those who live in glass houses… Same to you @MassillonK1D330
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😂 😂 Again we are not scared of Glenville. They just aren't that relevant to us. Would I rather play them then NFL academy?...sure . Little bit different not playing someone and having the game then backing out. Who's the DC team??? None this year and if your talking last year about St Johns they were nationally ranked just outside the top 25 when they were scheduled and alot higher than the mighty Tarblooders
 
TigerPaw said:
Is the argument whether ML would be competitive or run-clocked? Of the 2 I would say competitive. Like 14-21 pts.

You obviously put alot of stock in transitive scores, I look more at specific matchups and Glenville has the type of size and athleticism that would give ML fits, though ML is more disciplined and makes fewer mistakes. But at some point the individual talent is too much to overcome. Been there done that, trust me.
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The reason I put Wapak, Van Wert and ML together is because they are all from our local area and rest assured Marion local would beat both those teams every year with regularity. No doubt in my mind.
 
TigerPaw said:
Regarding roster sizes, certainly not as a rule but you just know some teams would limit their roster or cut kids if it meant gaining an edge. Where there is a rule, there is always a loophole to exploit. I can't say for certain but am willing to bet ML (or others) would be just as dominant w/ a 30-40 man roster esp. in the lower divisions.
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You could be right about ML. Still, when 80-90% of the total male entollment is playing ball that is an advantage. But, it is an earned advantage.
 
Tarblooder_Rocketgrad said:
Well Moore declined playing the mighty Tarblooders two seasons in a row but of course he deserves credit for stepping up next season. I’m sure those games against a team from DC and Europe were much more exciting than playing us. Those who live in glass houses… Same to you @MassillonK1D330
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Again nobody cares that he "declined" to play Glenville if you got an opportunity to play in a unique situation you're going to give your kids that advantage just like y'all did to go down to Florida and play IMG right?
 
Tarblooder_Rocketgrad said:
Well Moore declined playing the mighty Tarblooders two seasons in a row but of course he deserves credit for stepping up next season. I’m sure those games against a team from DC and Europe were much more exciting than playing us. Those who live in glass houses… Same to you @MassillonK1D330
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Oh and you would have argument if we didn't schedule a team that was better than Glenville. We literally played a few teams that was nationally ranked in a few teams that was just outside of the national ranking
 
MassillonK1D330 said:
Oh and you would have argument if we didn't schedule a team that was better than Glenville. We literally played a few teams that was nationally ranked in a few teams that was just outside of the national ranking
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He's clueless to him we "declined" to play mighty Glenville to us we turned down the top team in D4. That's all they are to us , a good D4 team and we just don't care about them.We are D2 and play mostly a D1 schedule.Glenville is not on our radar like Massillon is on his. We played Dematha and Bergen this year that were both nationally ranked top 25. Last year the ranked team we played that I think he was talking about us playing instead of mighty Glenville was St Johns who was #23 at the beginning of the year and like #34 when we played them. St Johns was just as good as Glenville and Bergen and Dematha would wipe the field with them.
 
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TigerBeast78 said:
He's clueless to him we "declined" to play mighty Glenville to us we turned down the top team in D4. That's all they are to us , a good D4 team and we just don't care about them.We are D2 and play mostly a D1 schedule.Glenville is not on our radar like Massillon is on his. We played Dematha and Bergen this year that were both nationally ranked top 25. Last year the ranked team we played that I think he was talking about us playing instead of mighty Glenville was St Johns who was #23 at the beginning of the year and like #34 when we played them. St Johns was just as good as Glenville and Bergen and Dematha would wipe the field with them.
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Exactly and don't get me wrong Glenville is a factor I will give them that they are a great program I love what they do but also with them being in D4 I don't think beating them gives us a ton of points
 
MassillonK1D330 said:
Exactly and don't get me wrong Glenville is a factor I will give them that they are a great program I love what they do but also with them being in D4 I don't think beating them gives us a ton of points
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It don't give us many points and even if it's not about points they are D4 no reason for Massillon to be obsessed with them like he is with Massillon. Don't get me wrong they are a great program and I respect them they just aren't on my mind 24/7 like Massillon is on his brain
 
TigerBeast78 said:
It don't give us many points and even if it's not about points they are D4 no reason for Massillon to be obsessed with them like he is with Massillon. Don't get me wrong they are a great program and I respect them they just aren't on my mind 24/7 like Massillon is on his brain
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💯💯💯 Exactly I would love to be locked in with Glenville in a series but if we have a chance to play a national team I'm going to take that chance everyday
 
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