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The Epic Showdown
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WoodyHayes
homesick
I used to believe that
Fla. Football = not as good as Texas
I used to believe that untill I saw a few games last year.
Fla. Football = not as good as Texas
RidgePride
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well that all wont matter about what you think your a homer. I wont even talk about what we saw in the westlake defense carroll played against in the state game. And i will leave it at that.arty:
Looks may be deceiving. High school football games are not won on who fills out their uniform the best or who has the most D1 recruits. Well at least not in Texas.
You will see.
This game will be the MNW All Stars vs The SLC Machine.
Should SLC win, the Myth of Florida ball will be exposed.
RidgePride
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WoodyHayes
homesick
Dont pipe about beating Glades
I watched an OK Byrnes (not great) dismantle Glades last year. SLC would have destroyed them by the first half. This aint St. X that Miami is playing. It is the National Champion SLC Dragons, who by the way, will probably give you 500 tickets tops to attend the game. If you put 6 people in a big car, maybe like a cadillac, and the band parents charge each car 6 bucks to park, I say that not only is SLC gonna wipe you out but the band parents are going to make about 90 bucks.
:welcome: TO TEXAS!
I watched an OK Byrnes (not great) dismantle Glades last year. SLC would have destroyed them by the first half. This aint St. X that Miami is playing. It is the National Champion SLC Dragons, who by the way, will probably give you 500 tickets tops to attend the game. If you put 6 people in a big car, maybe like a cadillac, and the band parents charge each car 6 bucks to park, I say that not only is SLC gonna wipe you out but the band parents are going to make about 90 bucks.
:welcome: TO TEXAS!
Florida guys still having trouble counting people.
Did I make up those numbers?
http://www.nflhs.com/StateStories.aspx?id=10344&state=FL
http://www.miamiherald.com/588/story/119528.html
http://blogs.usatoday.com/preprally/2006/12/miami_northwest.html
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/community/news/altamontesprings/orl-hsfhsaa1507mar15,0,1849194.story?coll=orl-comm-altamonte-features
Now I will grant you that the 60/40 split was one reporter's view, but I think I am ok in sticking with the 24,368 number....
OK everyone are you ready to see some facts. At least according to Florida's HS governing body. Here is the link and I am citing inofrmation from pages 106-107.
http://www.fhsaa.org/records/rec_fb.pdf
Keep in mid these are fans that "live and breathe football" and are expected to bring "5-6 thousand".
I think I have established pretty clearly that when the hardware is on the line and the game is in their back yard that we can expect a record setting crowd of 24,368(10 miles and 15 minutes away). A reporter at the game wrote that the split was 60/40. I can't validate those numbers, nor really discredit them.
Now the question is, how does Northwestern travel. Well luckily the FHSAA keeps record of state tilte games.
When they made the Championship game in '95 up in Daytona Beach, 250 miles away a total of 8,362 fans showed up for both teams.
Here are all three previous trips fro Norhtwestern to the Championship game, their travel distance, their opponent's travel distance and the total attendance.
dist to NW Dist to opp Paid Att
'95 Sandalwood 250 166 8,362
'98 Southeast 332 71 8,182
'01 Apopka 478 113 9,966
So, in each case NW has had to travel to see their team win the state championship 250+ miles and their opponent less. Assuming every fan in attendance was a Bull fan we have seen they have not broken the 10,000 fan mark when they have traveled in state.
I would guess that there would be more fans or at least as many in each of those games for opponents as NW. I think that is only fair.
So again, with all of the information in front of me, first I will say these attendance figures reinforce my notion that FL fans are weak in following their team. I will also stick w/my 300-500 figrure for a 20 bus ride/$250-$300 plane ticket.
OK everyone are you ready to see some facts. At least according to Florida's HS governing body. Here is the link and I am citing inofrmation from pages 106-107.
http://www.fhsaa.org/records/rec_fb.pdf
Keep in mid these are fans that "live and breathe football" and are expected to bring "5-6 thousand".
I think I have established pretty clearly that when the hardware is on the line and the game is in their back yard that we can expect a record setting crowd of 24,368(10 miles and 15 minutes away). A reporter at the game wrote that the split was 60/40. I can't validate those numbers, nor really discredit them.
Now the question is, how does Northwestern travel. Well luckily the FHSAA keeps record of state tilte games.
When they made the Championship game in '95 up in Daytona Beach, 250 miles away a total of 8,362 fans showed up for both teams.
Here are all three previous trips fro Norhtwestern to the Championship game, their travel distance, their opponent's travel distance and the total attendance.
dist to NW Dist to opp Paid Att
'95 Sandalwood 250 166 8,362
'98 Southeast 332 71 8,182
'01 Apopka 478 113 9,966
So, in each case NW has had to travel to see their team win the state championship 250+ miles and their opponent less. Assuming every fan in attendance was a Bull fan we have seen they have not broken the 10,000 fan mark when they have traveled in state.
I would guess that there would be more fans or at least as many in each of those games for opponents as NW. I think that is only fair.
So again, with all of the information in front of me, first I will say these attendance figures reinforce my notion that FL fans are weak in following their team. I will also stick w/my 300-500 figrure for a 20 bus ride/$250-$300 plane ticket.
FYI-Reader's Digest Version for those who do nto want to read all of that.
FL football fans do not support their teams as evidenced by the very low totals in title games.
The claims that NW fans will travel 5000-6000 people appear to be very inflated given the numbers in the recent past. I see no reason that people will, in large numbers, make the long trip to DFW for an early season match up when they have not shown themselves to travel especially well(for TExas standards) within their own state.
FL football fans do not support their teams as evidenced by the very low totals in title games.
The claims that NW fans will travel 5000-6000 people appear to be very inflated given the numbers in the recent past. I see no reason that people will, in large numbers, make the long trip to DFW for an early season match up when they have not shown themselves to travel especially well(for TExas standards) within their own state.
WoodyHayes
homesick
Wow!
Thats pretty impressive stats. Did SLC DAD hijack your computer? Just kidding. Looks like the Scots are going to win a baseball crown this year.
Thats pretty impressive stats. Did SLC DAD hijack your computer? Just kidding. Looks like the Scots are going to win a baseball crown this year.
Bordertown
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I will not go that far. There is a difference between traveling 250 miles and 1500 miles. I have seen the reports of 1,000 from Lakeland, 1000 from DLS, and 2-3,000 from Byrnes at the 2007 Herbie. I suspect each of those numbers are inflated by 50%. If you go back and read the posts on how many attended the 2006 Herbie games they would probably add up to 75,000+. However the paid attendence was 42,000 for 9 games. A case in point on the Colerain game on Friday night folks were saying there were 15,000. In reality the number was in the 5,000 to 7,500 range.
There are only a handful of teams in Texas that would send 1,000 fans to Miami or Cincy to play - Austin Westlake, Southlake Carroll, Highland Park, and the Woodlands come to mind. What each of these schools have in common is they are affluent communities and $1,000 is cump change for a weekend.
I think a good measure of a traveling fan base are folks that will drive 4 hours to watch 2.5 hours of football and drive 4 hours home. I can see NW traveling to Orlando or Tampa for a game, but Jacksonville and Tallahasee being a stretch.
Here are the attendance figures since 2000 for the 5A and 6A title games in Florida:
'00
5A-8,855
6A-6,361
'01
5A-3,696
6A-9,966
'02
5A-2,513
6A-3,025
'03
5A-4,877
6A-7,199
'04
5A-6,545
6A-4,335
'05
5A-13,585
6A-7,761
I understand what you are saying about a long car drive, and I would add a 20 hour bus drive to that point. I also wouldn't say that these attendance totals for State Championship, that average only slightly more that 6,500 would be indications of a "football crazy" population.
To bring the numbers that naughty is suggesting would be a stretch in my opinion, based on any relevant fact or historical event.
'00
5A-8,855
6A-6,361
'01
5A-3,696
6A-9,966
'02
5A-2,513
6A-3,025
'03
5A-4,877
6A-7,199
'04
5A-6,545
6A-4,335
'05
5A-13,585
6A-7,761
I understand what you are saying about a long car drive, and I would add a 20 hour bus drive to that point. I also wouldn't say that these attendance totals for State Championship, that average only slightly more that 6,500 would be indications of a "football crazy" population.
To bring the numbers that naughty is suggesting would be a stretch in my opinion, based on any relevant fact or historical event.
Bordertown
New member
I agree. I think Florida is like California in that there are alot of other recreational activities to indulge. Texas football Friday night reputation grew from rural communities turning out on Friday night for something to do. I still think that is the case today. I suspect the support in a 2A community is greater (as % of population at a game as a 5A school).
The team with the greatest fan base has to Northwestern and that was proven at this years State game. So im happy that they are the ones playing you guys in this game. Gonna need more the 500 tickets. I think you guys will be surprised at the turn out. Wont be neat the normal turnout for them but it will pretty good.
Nothing has been announced yet. I believe that some of the TV revenue was going to be used to help MNW with travel costs and without that money the game would not happen. Now that it appears the game is "on" I'd assume there is agreement on a TV contract . ESPN (U or 2) is the only network mentioned for this game.
RidgePride
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I will be there live with my laptop - be happy to give a play by play.
The game will be on Saturday, September 15. I think it will be in the afternoon. It will be played in Ford Stadium at Southern Methodist Univeristy (SMU). Everybody thinks ESPN2 or ESPNU will broadcast the game but there hasn't been an announcement yet.
It would suck if it rains.
It doesn't rain very often in Texas in September. It will probably be hot, very hot.
RidgePride
New member
Although it has been raining a lot in the DFW area of late. If it does rain, who has the advantage in your eyes?
I would say MNW benefits greatly
I would think that MNW would benefit more. It rains a ton in Miami even during the summer.
The Dragons might not have seen rain for nearly three months by the time the game rolls around. Hopefully that's not the case, I am rather enjoying it.
I don't think we have anything to worry about though.
PorkopolisPigskin
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I'm rooting for Miami Northwestern... SO FRRUUUUCKING TIRED OF THIS SLC CRAP!
leatherhelmet77
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amen brother!!!! i have recruited in texas....a lot of good players!!! not a lot nof good teams..........
I'd guess that most high school football fans (those who look at national football stuff) would agree with you. SLC has dominated national high school football over the last five years and it's only natural to want the champs to fall.
Are you serious? Pretty much every expert on high school football would disagree with you.
Bordertown
New member
I think maybe he was talking about hockey!!