The Cleveland Browns to the Burbs?????
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Report: Browns set to announce plans to build a dome in Brook Park
It’s now a forgone conclusion
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eaglesfan216
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Brook Park Dome will be a flop in my opinion. Greater Cleveland will not host a Super Bowl. Not enough hotel rooms for the NFL, and while you don't have to be a huge market for a Super Bowl, we don't have any of the draw a city like New Orleans has for it. B1G championship game is not coming here, doubtful any CFP games for the same reasons as no Super Bowl. Maybe the MAC Championship because of the MAC HQ, but they may like Detroit. A small level college bowl game? Probably. NCAA mens final four. Maybe once but I have doubts about that as well.
It'll be a less utilized Ford Field, if Ford Field was built around the factories in Detroit and not downtown. I think it's far too ambitious of a project. Reminds me of the Medical Mart in Downtown. At least it won't be taxpayer money thrown around for it.
I really wanted them to stay downtown. Didn't care about dome/open air. This is a mistake long term imo.
It'll be a less utilized Ford Field, if Ford Field was built around the factories in Detroit and not downtown. I think it's far too ambitious of a project. Reminds me of the Medical Mart in Downtown. At least it won't be taxpayer money thrown around for it.
I really wanted them to stay downtown. Didn't care about dome/open air. This is a mistake long term imo.
eaglesfan216
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Official statement from the team in re: the Brook Park Dome: https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/new...-browns-fans-across-northeast-ohio-and-beyond
They're obviously serious about it and it looks like a mega project well into planning. But I have to point out the clever language the Browns used here. They won't officially announce it and there's some back-and-forth language in there. In my view, an attempt to get the city to offer something else. I think the Browns want to stay downtown and rebuild their HQ at their new land in Brook Park next to the airport to replace Berea, and this is all a big bluff, but I can understand being called a conspiracy theorist for that.
My dream scenario would be this: The city/county moves the port and makes it part of Burke Airport. The city/county gives the port to the Browns and they build this stadium or another one like it on the current site of the port. Then make a better connection to the Flats and Downtown from there. I don't think the FAA would get involved with that plan as the port sits a little south from the current site and doesn't block the approach from Bruke. Leaves the current stadium site open for redevelopment.
They're obviously serious about it and it looks like a mega project well into planning. But I have to point out the clever language the Browns used here. They won't officially announce it and there's some back-and-forth language in there. In my view, an attempt to get the city to offer something else. I think the Browns want to stay downtown and rebuild their HQ at their new land in Brook Park next to the airport to replace Berea, and this is all a big bluff, but I can understand being called a conspiracy theorist for that.
My dream scenario would be this: The city/county moves the port and makes it part of Burke Airport. The city/county gives the port to the Browns and they build this stadium or another one like it on the current site of the port. Then make a better connection to the Flats and Downtown from there. I don't think the FAA would get involved with that plan as the port sits a little south from the current site and doesn't block the approach from Bruke. Leaves the current stadium site open for redevelopment.
Crusaders
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It would be a very strange move to place the stadium a few hundred feet from the current location while keeping it on the lakefront when one of the major motivations behind the move is getting the stadium off the lakefront. The city wants to do something else there. Gobbling up Burke is also a very hot issue from what I understand.
There has to be a some industrial property in or around downtown that could be used instead.
There has to be a some industrial property in or around downtown that could be used instead.
They will absolutely get one Super Bowl. Not another one, but they will get one courtesy of the NFL for doing what they want. B1G football championship? Possibly not. Final Four and/or some occasional NCAA tournament regionals? Yes. Minor bowl game if they want one. Also possible neutral site college football games.
They will join the rotation of Detroit, Indianapolis, Minneapolis and eventually Chicago for the big events in the Midwest.
Cedar_Point
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If you watch this and think the current stadium site is fine then you just can’t be helped
Thavoice
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They should only be afforded the same things others businesses are offered....tax breaks...infrastructure....etc. I'm tired of professional sports teams holding cities hostage. Fukum.
I'm surprised at the number of people who seem against this move. There is ZERO advantage to playing on the lakefront in an open-air stadium. It's not overly loud. Our own players would rather play inside (how many SEC guys do we have). It's miserable for the fans. Parking is a joke. No bars/restaurants nearby. And the stadium itself was rushed and lacks the frills that the big money people want in a facility. If they do this right, the new complex could be incredible. And then Cleveland could HOPEFULLY properly develop the lakefront. Get it done!
Cedar_Point
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Only problem with the last thing is that no mayor has even attempted to do that. The new facility in Brook Park would be one of the best in the world
I would love to see that facility built in Brook Park. I had season tickets at US Bank Stadium in Minneapolis and the liberal use of clear material on the roof and sides allow a lot of natural light which gives a better feel than some domes. Especially when the weather allows for opening the giant windows on each end of the stadium and allowing in ambient temperature and breezes.
EagleFan
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Brookpark should cede that land to Cleveland, kinda like the land swap they did with the IX Center years ago. It's a losing proposition long term. They could still benefit since they would still have land close by. But having that stadium, not something a smaller city like Brookpark should do. Probably a bad deal for their taxpayers long term.
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I have a feeling the taxes to cover the cost will be done (forced) regionally, but Brook Park would definitely be picking up massive infrastructure and security issues they’ve never dealt with before and at what cost? I would guess they will adjust. I look at Avon’s growth over the decades and they kept raising taxes and adding services to keep up with the growth. It is different, though, in that Brook Park is going to be hit big all at once.
I would not be surprised if that is part of the "deal."
y2h
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Of course there is an advantage. The kicking game being the biggest one. We don't win the SF game indoors. Did you see Miami in the playoffs? They wanted no part of those conditions.
It's not miserable for people who know how to dress appropriately.
Parking is cheap. Enjoy paying 100 bucks at the new place because Haslem will control it. Does Brook Park have parking decks outside the footprint of the stadium i.e. out of Haslems reach? They don't even have the roads to handle the increased traffic...but wait the state will stick the burden on the taxpayers for that on top of the stadium costs.
Wah you have to walk to the stadium...judging by the average person at a game they can use the workout.
The only frill you need is the game on the field, that's why you are there. If you need something else you gotta wonder why you are there in the first place.
Cedar_Point
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y2h
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Would've worked out great with better execution. Chip shot FG if Sipe doesn't try to play hero.
Stirred not Shaken
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LOL you picked one game just look at the dolphins record in cold weather games. I could care less what the browns do but to suggest northern teams don't have an advantage hosting playoff games https://www.profootballnetwork.com/...d-games-ominous-numbers-ahead-of-chiefs-game/ is ridiculous.
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So are we going to make a major regional infrastructure decision based on the cold weather ineptitude of one football team, the Dolphins?
I also remember the cold weather warriors we know as the Browns whooping up on those dome-home pansies from New Orleans on Christmas Eve a couple of years ago. Oh wait…
Maybe if we had an indoor facility for that game the tens of thousands of fans who stayed home that day would have actually showed up to give the Browns a home town crowd to fire them up?
Maybe if we had an indoor facility for that game the tens of thousands of fans who stayed home that day would have actually showed up to give the Browns a home town crowd to fire them up?
Stirred not Shaken
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Not a browns fan care less what they do but to suggest weather does not help a northern team in the playoffs when playing a team from the south or So. Cal is ridiculous facts suggest otherwise. Same when a "cold" weather team goes south or to So. Cal not used to the heat and humidity (Florida). When is the last time an indoor team won the SB - 2009 so go build your dome.
Here’s the thing, sadly. The Browns don’t make the playoffs enough to bother using it as a consideration for or against the dome.
Cedar_Point
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The Rams won it three years ago. I know Sofi isn’t considered an indoor facility, but it has a roof on it
y2h
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I remember that because I was there. Also that team sucked. When you have talent it is an advantage which barring injury we'll have this year.
Why aren't Green Bay fans crying? They play well into winter many years. Why aren't Steeler fans crying? Buffalo fans? Denver fans? NE fans?
When the heck did this fan base turn into the pansy tea sipping Niners fans or fair weather Miami fans? The game is made to be played in the elements period. It's not basketball.
Oh we'll get all these events...no we won't. Super Bowl? Nobody wants to be in Cleveland in February. Final 4? March/April is barely better than Feb most years. We've got Blossom and the Fieldhouse for concerts.
Who wants to be stuck inside on a beautiful fall day? And how many games have honestly been that cold. I remember looking at the schedule going into last season and seeing a late December night game thinking whoever made this schedule has never been to Cleveland. And it ended up being like 40 degrees...if you don't know how to dress appropriately for a couple hours in that relatively mild air the game will be on your TV.