FormerWildcat
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Say what you will, but "Cowtown" will fairly shortly be the only major city in Ohio where people will be able to find a job.
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Bennies'01
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That's not really true, but thanks for knocking this thread way off-topic. Fact of the matter is that I don't use that term derisively. I love Columbus. However it should be noted that a very large chunk of Columbus' economy is built around redistributed wealth from other parts of the state. You and I both know that private industry isn't banging down the doors to locate in Columbus.
Now to get this thread back on track, Toledo St. John's Jesuit beat Centerville 7-0 tonight to continue the Columbus district's winless streak in the state semifinals.
SJJ has been playing well, but 7-0 is embarrassing. Shows how far SW Ohio hockey has to go to play with the top teams in the state.
I am off to Nationwide in the morning for what should be a good final between US and SJJ. SJJ beat them 2-1 in OT in their only meeting this year. Hoping the Titans can do it again tomorrow and make it two state titles in three years.
I am off to Nationwide in the morning for what should be a good final between US and SJJ. SJJ beat them 2-1 in OT in their only meeting this year. Hoping the Titans can do it again tomorrow and make it two state titles in three years.
FormerWildcat
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I've never known anyone to use the term "Cowtown" in any other manner than derisively. I'd be curious to know if anyone on Yappi has ever heard it used for anything positive.
Actually, the data from the State of Ohio's Labor Market Review says you're wrong. While I believe there are far too many jobs dedicated to government at the federal, state, and local levels, you'd be surprised to learn that the percentage of governmental non-agricultural jobs in the Columbus MSA is about 17.2%, while the same figure for the Cleveland MSA is 13.7%.
http://lmi.state.oh.us/CES/LMR.pdf
There's a whole lot of government going on out there, regardless of where you live in Ohio.
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Charlie Conway 96
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Since the best team in SW Ohio was represented in that game...
Bennies'01
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Well forgive my ignorance and trust me when I say that I do like Columbus and was intending to use it as a term of endearment.
Now look, I'm not going to sit here and argue that Cleveland would be significantly better off if it were the capital of Ohio, because I tend to believe that the people running Cleveland would still find a way to screw things up. Those in charge of Columbus have, for the most part, done a much better job. However I think you're being disingenuous if you're not willing to concede that being the capital city of the 7th largest state and home to the campus of the largest university in the country is not a huge boon for Columbus' local economy. I feel confident that if Cleveland, Cincinnati, or Toledo had those institutions each would be in much better shape then they currently are. Though Columbus, while I admit, has better local leadership than most of the other large cities in Ohio, that doesn't mean that we can ignore the inherent advantages that is has.
FormerWildcat
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You can believe whatever you want. The reality is that the data says there are just as many government jobs in Cleveland and Cincinnati as there are in Columbus, as a percentage of the total non-agricultural jobs.
The fact that they're jobs with the federal or local governments, rather than the state, is irrelevant, IMO. Government is government, as far as I'm concerned. I'm sorry the data doesn't match your worldview; that's your problem, not mine.
Bennies'01
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I think it most certainly does matter what kind of government jobs those are. Cleveland or Cincinnati can tax its residents to death and make government as large as they want to, but at the end of the day, they're only shifting their own wealth, from one part of the city to another. Columbus, on the other hand, as the capital, is bringing in dollars from all over the state.
The reality remains that the State of Ohio and The Ohio State University are the two largest employers in metropolitan Columbus. In the 1950s, this was not the case. Even if giving those two institutions to Cleveland or Cincinnati meant that either would have an even larger percentage of people employed in government, it would still be a huge help to their respective economies. The point is that Columbus is consolidating wealth (in the form of tax dollars) from other parts of the state. If all three of the big Cs cut back on local government and took a pass on federal jobs and dollars, Columbus would still have Ohio State and state government.
This is an interesting discussion. There's no need for you to take it so personal or get so defensive.
No doubt they were the best team on the ice today and very deserving champions. Just too much speed (on every line) for SJJ to handle. Another fun high school hockey season ends, can't wait until the puck drops again next year.
who was better?
Agreed.
Charlie Conway 96
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I believe it was a toss up between Moeller and Talawanda, both teams brought it when they played each other and beat each other once each by the same margin of points. These were the two best teams in SW Ohio. Even if you looked at the state rankings Moeller and Talawanda were both consistently in the top 15 while all the other SW teams, except Coffman, were way up high in the rankings.
Bennies'01
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Centerville won the regular season SWOHSHL championship and won the Columbus district championship. I think it's silly at this point to claim that they weren't one of the best teams from that part of the state. Either way it seems that the best from the rest of the state is no closer to competing with the best from Cleveland and Toledo than they were three or four years ago.
Charlie Conway 96
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Centerville is in the weaker division of the SWOHSHL, therefore making it easier to get points.
Bennies'01
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And yet by my count, they still went 3-1 against those teams in league play. :shrug:
Gilmour also beat Talawanda 3-0 earlier in the year. Like I said before, cherrypicking scores from holiday tournaments doesn't really mean much when these teams turn around and get smoked when they play on the biggest stage. Even if Centerville wasn't the best team in SW Ohio, it seems pretty clear that there is a lot of parity amongst the top teams in the SWOHSHL. Centerville is one of the best teams in that part of the state, and competitive with the rest of the top teams in Cincinnati and Dayton. Centerville's poor showing in the state semifinals reflects on the entire Columbus district, as they were the ones that earned the right to represent all of the teams from Cincinnati, Dayton, and Columbus. Maybe they weren't the best, maybe someone else could have done better against St. John's, but I feel pretty confident that no matter who would have come out of that district, they would have been 4-5 goals inferior to the Titans from Toledo.
Charlie Conway 96
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If a better team from the SW represented the SW the outcome would have been different. The might not have won but the score wouldnt have been embarrassing: Moeller lost 4 to 7 but the score didnt indicate how close the game actually was, Talawanda played top notch teams, and not only competing but beating some of those teams too, and Dublin Coffman competed with top notch teams as well, tying 0-0 to St. Eds. Centerville is a good team and I give them credit for winning the district tournament, but that doesn't indicate the best team in the district. Look at last year. I bet everybody here didn't think St. X was the best team in the district last year an yet they won. If I recall correctly, they were last place in the SWOHSHL South that year too.
Bennies'01
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And yet when it counted, Talawanda couldn't beat Coffman and Centerville could. Centerville earned the hardware and the right to be smoked by St. John's Jesuit.
My issue with this is that while what you're saying may be true, Centerville was still good enough to win the district, beating both Coffman and Moeller along the way. The difference between these teams must not be that great that the Elks were able to beat both of them. My point is that no matter what happened during the regular season or in holiday tournaments, there is nothing that should lead anyone to believe that SJJ wouldn't have beat any other Columbus District representative as badly. The Titans outshot the Elks 42-15.
This is my opinion based on the information we've got. Unfortunately we'll never really know if another Columbus district squad could have done better on the Nationwide Arena ice.
Charlie Conway 96
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Like I said earlier, Moeller lost 4-7 to SJJ, just a tad better than 7-0. The game for the most part was an even game and if Moeller had a second chance against SJJ they would have improved from their January game against SJJ. Moeller lost to SJJ by a way less deficit (4 goals,) thus contradicting your point.
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Bennies'01
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You don't know that.
In a holiday tournament game. My point remains valid until one of these teams steps up and does it in the state tournament.
Charlie Conway 96
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Your team is the only team that has gotten that chance. This is the first year they had the Columbus and Sylvania region's play against each other is the state semi finals. I'm just stating the fact, and what difference does it make if its in the state tournament or not, sure theres added pressure (by both teams, so if you were trying to make that one point it would be invalid) but other than that its the same. They are both the same teams with the same players. All your mumbo jumbo on how "it was in a holiday tournament so it means nothing" is a bunch of bologna.