Springboro seeks 7th Coach in 10 years

Dayride said:
I think it is much harder in b-ball to have a consistent top notch program. A school may have a large student body but that does not mean they have some elite athletes. Take Wayne and Fairmont this past year. Rice is an elite bball player without him Wayne does not have the record they had same could be said about Johnson/Doucet from Fairmont. Yeah Springboro should be better than the record the last few years, but I don't know if they would consistently be in the top 1 or 2 in the GWOC. They have a chance in the next few years with that freshman Feldman to have an elite bball player. How many times has one stud on a team with average players been the difference playing against a team with 5 above average guys?
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Agree but you can increase the odds by hiring properly. Feldman graduated. You may be thinking of Greer. Will be good if he stays. Dad could get promoted from UD assistant at any time and Greer already has his dream offer from FL and will be a Soph next year ( held back prior to freshman year) Plenty of Good talent in addition to him next year
 
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SWOHHoops said:
"Youker was 32-41, but advanced in the tourney all three years. His first year they were 8-16, then 11-13, and his last 13-12. Nice steady improvement that should have been allowed to continue."

I think we agree, the problem with Springboro is in the parents/admin/kids, not the coaches.
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Youker quit.
“should have been allowed to continue” doesn’t matter because he QUIT on the boys and the program. Not that he was all that great but sure, steadily improved and parents didn’t complain about him.
Maybe the AD had a problem w/ him because it wasn’t the parents. Just like it wasn’t the parents with Holweger agsin, AD? More likely
 
Bobcat4ever said:
Agree but you can increase the odds by hiring properly. Feldman graduated. You may be thinking of Greer. Will be good if he stays. Dad could get promoted from UD assistant at any time and Greer already has his dream offer from FL and will be a Soph next year ( held back prior to freshman year) Plenty of Good talent in addition to him next year
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Yeah I was thinking of Greer.
 
Nope, no parent issues in Springboro sports. None.

it’s the biggest problem in Springboro. Period! Right now, I’m sure it’s the parents & principal jockeying to get Bales.
 
Bobcat4ever said:
Last coached at Fairmont, 3 years ago and did great had a great team that liked him. Hasn’t been coaching since has a young family. Has a great reputation. He lives in Boro and teaches in Kettering
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Not doubting this comment, but am curious as to what year's he coached at Fairmont? I remember a couple of decent years, 17-9, 16-10, which I think were 2019, 2018. Is he the guy that came from Hartley or DeSales? Were those his teams?
 
12penguins said:
Not doubting this comment, but am curious as to what year's he coached at Fairmont? I remember a couple of decent years, 17-9, 16-10, which I think were 2019, 2018. Is he the guy that came from Hartley or DeSales? Were those his teams?
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Coached at DeSales, had Clark Kellogg's sons on teams. Made the Final Four at least once. A couple decent years at Fairmont, by all accounts a really good coach.
 
Sooner or later they have to make a decision as May is nearly upon us all. That means time to plan for summer camps, team camps, summer training starts the first of June. They may wish to provide some direction to these children, families, and coaches. While the administration bumbles through another inept hiring process, other people are making decisions that are the best interest of their children, families, and coaches.
 
basketballdayton said:
Blair Albright has built two programs in his career, if he applied people in Springboro should hope there is a teaching opening for him. That is as good as a hire as you will get in high school coaching. I believe Blair is an English teacher?
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Preface my comments with I don't know him personally. He's built 2 programs? Built is a strong word. Just curious which two and would love to hear about the building he did. As good a hire as you can get? Very strong commnet. Do you mean anywhere or a good hire for the Springboro situation? And why would he decide to join the circus there where he won't likely be the ringmaster? lol
 
Noticed today that the Beavercreek job has been posted for over a week on the Dayton Area Consortium website. Does anyone know anything? Wonder how that may impact this job as Springboro seems to be dragging their feet a bit.
 
They both are parent driven communities so it may be awhile before they hire. (Beavercreek), I don't think it's a good job, hasn't been the same since Holden left.
 
nwwarrior09 said:
Noticed today that the Beavercreek job has been posted for over a week on the Dayton Area Consortium website. Does anyone know anything? Wonder how that may impact this job as Springboro seems to be dragging their feet a bit.
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Is the Dayton Consortium post a "required" annual post? I have heard nothing about Steve Pitman leaving.
 
12penguins said:
Is the Dayton Consortium post a "required" annual post? I have heard nothing about Steve Pitman leaving.
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I don't believe so. They don't have jobs on there unless they're actually available.

If they made an error in the posting, it's been about 10 days and they haven't corrected it yet.
 
If a school allows parents to run their athletic programs, then it's an administrative problem. Someone, AD, principal, superintendent, needs to set the tone early that the coaches run the teams. I've never heard a person that likes to be micromanaged.
Also, coaches should be given some guidelines when hired and with their evaluations. This is what is expected. I don't feel that you should REQUIRE summer and year around programs. That's probably the biggest turn off in recruiting coaches these days. You have young teachers or coaching candidates who may be starting a family and you start asking them to put in 9-10 months of work for the pittance they get paid, well, that's just a bad formula.
I wonder if we need to get away from the "team" camp philosophy. You finish the season with the kids, have a few open gyms in the spring, a few kids play AAU, then that's it. The ones that want to play more, go play travel/ AAU, whatever, we'll see you in the fall if you don't play a fall sport.
 
14Red said:
I don't feel that you should REQUIRE summer and year around programs. That's probably the biggest turn off in recruiting coaches these days. You have young teachers or coaching candidates who may be starting a family and you start asking them to put in 9-10 months of work for the pittance they get paid, well, that's just a bad formula.
I wonder if we need to get away from the "team" camp philosophy. You finish the season with the kids, have a few open gyms in the spring, a few kids play AAU, then that's it. The ones that want to play more, go play travel/ AAU, whatever, we'll see you in the fall if you don't play a fall sport.
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I don't think any of the top programs in SWOH this season take your approach. Most have very dedicated coaches/staffs that try to build a great program year-round. Hard to impossible to build the team chemistry and culture you need to be good with just a couple open gyms in the off-season.
 
14Red said:
If a school allows parents to run their athletic programs, then it's an administrative problem. Someone, AD, principal, superintendent, needs to set the tone early that the coaches run the teams. I've never heard a person that likes to be micromanaged.
Also, coaches should be given some guidelines when hired and with their evaluations. This is what is expected. I don't feel that you should REQUIRE summer and year around programs. That's probably the biggest turn off in recruiting coaches these days. You have young teachers or coaching candidates who may be starting a family and you start asking them to put in 9-10 months of work for the pittance they get paid, well, that's just a bad formula.
I wonder if we need to get away from the "team" camp philosophy. You finish the season with the kids, have a few open gyms in the spring, a few kids play AAU, then that's it. The ones that want to play more, go play travel/ AAU, whatever, we'll see you in the fall if you don't play a fall sport.
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This might be the dumbest post in the history of this site.
 
14Red said:
If a school allows parents to run their athletic programs, then it's an administrative problem. Someone, AD, principal, superintendent, needs to set the tone early that the coaches run the teams. I've never heard a person that likes to be micromanaged.
Also, coaches should be given some guidelines when hired and with their evaluations. This is what is expected. I don't feel that you should REQUIRE summer and year around programs. That's probably the biggest turn off in recruiting coaches these days. You have young teachers or coaching candidates who may be starting a family and you start asking them to put in 9-10 months of work for the pittance they get paid, well, that's just a bad formula.
I wonder if we need to get away from the "team" camp philosophy. You finish the season with the kids, have a few open gyms in the spring, a few kids play AAU, then that's it. The ones that want to play more, go play travel/ AAU, whatever, we'll see you in the fall if you don't play a fall sport.
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That’s part of the deal, unfortunately. If you’re not doing 9 months you can’t make it. Burn out is hurting Coaches and players. No end in site
 
You guys have to ignore 14Red, he believes his posts are the most profound and insightful posts when in actuality there the most unrealistic, non-informative jargon on Yappi! He rambles and thinks he's the smartest guy on the keyboard and the more you respond the more garbage he posts.
He loves feedback positive or negative. He is the Patrick Beverly of Yappi!
 
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That’s part of the deal, unfortunately. If you’re not doing 9 months you can’t make it. Burn out is hurting Coaches and players. No end in site
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I believe you can. So much of high school sports today is over the top, Paralysis by analysis. You don't have to play 100 basketball games a summer to get better. It's the quality of the time you spend with the sport, not quantity. I see guys play ball 7 days a week 10 hours a day and they are still marginal ballers. I see girls play club volleyball every weekend all summer and they don't get better. Most kids hit a plateau of their talent level.
 
Zezzo! said:
You guys have to ignore 14Red, he believes his posts are the most profound and insightful posts when in actuality there the most unrealistic, non-informative jargon on Yappi! He rambles and thinks he's the smartest guy on the keyboard and the more you respond the more garbage he posts.
He loves feedback positive or negative. He is the Patrick Beverly of Yappi!
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SWOHHoops said:
I don't think any of the top programs in SWOH this season take your approach. Most have very dedicated coaches/staffs that try to build a great program year-round. Hard to impossible to build the team chemistry and culture you need to be good with just a couple open gyms in the off-season.
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Unless you have some special athletes, you can't compete in D1 without making it a 9-10 month type deal for your kids that aren't participating in other sports.
 
SWOHHoops said:
I don't think any of the top programs in SWOH this season take your approach. Most have very dedicated coaches/staffs that try to build a great program year-round. Hard to impossible to build the team chemistry and culture you need to be good with just a couple open gyms in the off-season.
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My post was more about a "general" reflection of high school sports, keeping in mind trying to recruit and retain coaches. Yes, there are many dedicated people who coach for the love of the game and live it 9-10 months annually. I also think any successful program has alot of God given talent to start with. Culture and chemistry changes all the time, even during seasons.
 
14Red said:
My post was more about a "general" reflection of high school sports, keeping in mind trying to recruit and retain coaches. Yes, there are many dedicated people who coach for the love of the game and live it 9-10 months annually. I also think any successful program has alot of God given talent to start with. Culture and chemistry changes all the time, even during seasons.
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Some programs have that talent but even then they have to spend a lot of time cultivating culture. Look at Centerville, very few programs ever have three D1 kids on the same team but their greatness over the last two years was largely because of the culture within the program and it is well-documented how much they do out of season.

A place like Versailles comes to mind to counter your point. That program has been good for 20 years and rarely do they have a roster that would scare you. That kind of program isn't built with a couple open gyms in the off-season
 
Blair Albright has won at a Catholic school in Columbus and public school in Dayton. Very good, very knowledgeable. A lot of schools hire a new head coach who has never been a head coach. Blair has been very successful in two different settings.
 
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