Rep. Edwards suggests the government should take over the OHSAA

If the idea, beginning to end, is just to get ticket prices controlled (and it comes with provisions like children have reduced tickets, there’s a Golden Buckeye card discount etc) I think that’s one piece of legislation that could actually get through for the reasons you mention.

I think Jay Edwards does have a sincere interest in wanting the barrier of ‘cost’ be eliminated (along with speaker Stephens, since they both represent areas of high poverty) but this idea of “let’s replace the OHSAA” is something he probably did not think through. My politics are pretty well-known, but to clarify my original comment from earlier it wasn’t intended to be an attack on those who vote Republican — it’s just a criticism of the general governing apparatus that currently holds the trifecta (and its current state of affairs.) Some things they do well, but I really do not see a caucus that has any ability to form a replacement body to the OHSAA. Feel free to ask why!
And your 1st paragraph is exactly why it should be done. Again as i said if OHSAA had thought this through and done the right thing from the start they wouldn't be in this position.
I said from the start they were inviting Lawyers to get involved and guess what they got worse ,Politicians.
 
And your 1st paragraph is exactly why it should be done. Again as i said if OHSAA had thought this through and done the right thing from the start they wouldn't be in this position.
I said from the start they were inviting Lawyers to get involved and guess what they got worse ,Politicians.
”they were inviting lawyers and they got worse, politicians” might be my new favorite all-time quote on this website. Well said.
 
And your 1st paragraph is exactly why it should be done. Again as i said if OHSAA had thought this through and done the right thing from the start they wouldn't be in this position.
I said from the start they were inviting Lawyers to get involved and guess what they got worse ,Politicians.
I once heard someone say that if you can't make everyone happy, then the next best option is to make nobody happy. And the OHSAA is putting on a master class in doing the latter.
 
The initial assertion was that “no one is getting reimbursed for travel or stadium costs”. While Moeller didn’t get anything, the host school did.
You did post the 1500 after someone had stated the host school got nothing. You also insinuated Moeller did get something. It is true they get some publicity and maybe an edge with the Catholic school boys after a win. They don't get a direct monetary reward even though OSHAA will clear 80k in one day from that one event in which they are a participant.I do respect that you also stated you found fault in that scenario. Thats Socialism for you. Something to think about for those wanting a split for playoffs.. I
 
A big fat NO to this.

I don't want this to become California with all their sliced-up state championships. Every congressperson in Ohio is going to be lobbying for their state championship in whatever sport they think they have been denied. I'm not happy with the direction of HS sports but this would send it off the cliff.

If the government takes over, the Yappi Ohio High School Athletic Association will be born the same day...
The reason there are so many in California, is because our population is pushing 40M. You make that 7 Divisions, it would take over a year, just to get through the playoffs.
 
The initial assertion was that “no one is getting reimbursed for travel or stadium costs”. While Moeller didn’t get anything, the host school did.
That was me. I didn't realize they went back to giving the host school any funds for stadium rental when not a neutral site. Did that start up again in 2021 or 2022? Hard to find the playoff handbook that shows the pricing for reimbursements.

How much does Columbus public schools cost per student?


On average, they increased just under 8.2% from the 2020-21 to 2021-22 school years. Columbus City Schools also holds the top spot for percent increase in expenditures, from $13,930 per pupil to $21,211, or just under 52.3%

the schools are funded with 10% increases per student on average almost every year. On average $15,000 plus for Urban Schools - $12,000 plus per Rural. Just because you throw money at something doesn't make it successful.

Check the Report Cards for the 3 C's Public School Grade Card Cleveland, Cincinnati, Columbus, all Failed State Standards all 3 Cities tightly controlled from Mayors Office to City Council to School Boards by Democrats. Or should i dare say Liberal Democrats

Its Trumps fault i know
Cities are where you're more likely to find private schools. Because of the numbers involved to finance a private school, you're not finding them in rural areas. Guess what, private schools aren't taking the bottom of the barrel students.

You take the most affluent, parent-involved students out of publics and have the gull to act surprised when the public schools struggle to educate the very students private schools would punt from their classrooms, then I don't know how to answer it for you.
 
A big fat NO to this.

I don't want this to become California with all their sliced-up state championships. Every congressperson in Ohio is going to be lobbying for their state championship in whatever sport they think they have been denied. I'm not happy with the direction of HS sports but this would send it off the cliff.

If the government takes over, the Yappi Ohio High School Athletic Association will be born the same day...
CA has 15 state championships in 11-man. CIF has 1,038 teams spread over an area that goes from Cleveland, Ohio to Savannah, Georgia. They have some of the most dense urban areas in the country and some of the sparsest lands you'll find. So the state is split into sections until the semifinal round of the state playoffs. Everything up until then is sectional playoffs.
 
That was me. I didn't realize they went back to giving the host school any funds for stadium rental when not a neutral site. Did that start up again in 2021 or 2022? Hard to find the playoff handbook that shows the pricing for reimbursements.


Cities are where you're more likely to find private schools. Because of the numbers involved to finance a private school, you're not finding them in rural areas. Guess what, private schools aren't taking the bottom of the barrel students.

You take the most affluent, parent-involved students out of publics and have the gull to act surprised when the public schools struggle to educate the very students private schools would punt from their classrooms, then I don't know how to answer it for you.
Payments resumed in 2021.
 
Payments resumed in 2021.
I looked throughout the OHSAA site for that in 2021 and couldn't find it. Found the handbook, but nothing about price, only availability and playing on Saturday if not available on Friday night or two teams shared a venue.
 
I looked throughout the OHSAA site for that in 2021 and couldn't find it. Found the handbook, but nothing about price, only availability and playing on Saturday if not available on Friday night or two teams shared a venue.
While I know the payments resumed in 2021, I dont recall how much it was. The payment price this year is the same as last year.
 
IMHO, the bigger injustice is that the participating schools get no cut of ticket sales. Ticket prices have far outpaced inflation, yet OHSAA decided they get it all. So, what incentive does a school have to sell tickets? What incentive does a school have to even check tickets at the gate? Let 'em all in and make money on concessions. Tell OHSAA that their measly fee didn't cover paying ticket takers.

Do the math. Say Massillon gets 6000 on Friday. OHSAA is raking in ~$70,000 (accounting for some number of student tickets and a small bone to host). For a normal home game, the gross would be ~$48,000, with some chunk of that going to the visitors. It is not inconceivable that a program loses money with every game they play.
 
nah. This is the Ohio GOP, and nothing else. Dems haven’t had an inch of power in this state for a decade-plus.
Alot of the "GOP" in this state are Republicans In Name Only. Much like the twit of a governor we have who started the whole "shut the state down because 100,000 people a day are gonna die" fantasy that then steam rolled across the country. No matter what political party is involved, one thing you dont want to hear is "we're from the government and we're hear to help."
 
IMHO, the bigger injustice is that the participating schools get no cut of ticket sales. Ticket prices have far outpaced inflation, yet OHSAA decided they get it all. So, what incentive does a school have to sell tickets? What incentive does a school have to even check tickets at the gate? Let 'em all in and make money on concessions. Tell OHSAA that their measly fee didn't cover paying ticket takers.

Do the math. Say Massillon gets 6000 on Friday. OHSAA is raking in ~$70,000 (accounting for some number of student tickets and a small bone to host). For a normal home game, the gross would be ~$48,000, with some chunk of that going to the visitors. It is not inconceivable that a program loses money with every game they play.
I still can't understand how the schools are okay with this.

And as you mention, it completely removes the incentive to sell more tickets. They only benefit is parking and concessions, which is minimal compared to the overpriced ticket fees.
 
I still can't understand how the schools are okay with this.

And as you mention, it completely removes the incentive to sell more tickets. They only benefit is parking and concessions, which is minimal compared to the overpriced ticket fees.
Something that I understand even less? The OHSAA, the organization with all the incentive to sell tickets, doesn’t have a ticket sales department.
 
Something that I understand even less? The OHSAA, the organization with all the incentive to sell tickets, doesn’t have a ticket sales department.
Schools don't have any form of advertising. They exist solely on the word of mouth of their students, and vaguely any news sites that reports on them. The internet has greatly helped so people that WANT to go can look up when/where games are. But, the fact there's not a single bit of advertising schools pay for when there's mountains of evidence that advertising works (hell, businesses buy advertising at the stadiums and gyms themselves), to know when games are happening.

I think somewhere between the 80s and the early 2000s, there was this strong push to 'neutralize' the raucous fans that caused problems by minimizing fan interest, but keeping the 'friends and family' aspect going. Despite the desire to then build million dollar sports complexes without the fans to actually justify them. There's a greater than zero sum of administrators in schools that straight up despise athletics being part of schools, but are in no position to keep their job while advocating getting rid of sports.

Over in PA, they took away banners, signs, noisemakers, requiring no one to be shirtless, no body paint, etc. This push by so many schools to only let students sit in the student section. Removing the social aspect of games. When I was in school, I think maybe once or twice I sat in the student section. Usually the students congregated near the one endzone and watched from behind the fence or just socialized or better yet, threw a football around behind the endzone. Now, nobody is allowed there and any loitering near the fence is broken up almost immediately by security.

Overall, I think it's just an attempt to starve the beast, rather than kill it outright. And it's slowly working.
 
Schools don't have any form of advertising. They exist solely on the word of mouth of their students, and vaguely any news sites that reports on them. The internet has greatly helped so people that WANT to go can look up when/where games are. But, the fact there's not a single bit of advertising schools pay for when there's mountains of evidence that advertising works (hell, businesses buy advertising at the stadiums and gyms themselves), to know when games are happening.
Huh? I saw a sign for Canton Central Catholic Open House the other day (about two blocks from WHS, BTW). Massillon has a marquee on the main drag announcing upcoming games and events. Almost every business in town has a "Beat Whomever" sign in the front window. The word gets out.

Now, Massillon may be the exception, but even with that there's no media presence -- because there is no media. The local newspaper is long gone, there's no radio or TV that would be a sensible choice for a product of limited geographic appeal, and even geo-located web ads would be more miss than hit.
 
Over in PA, they took away banners, signs, noisemakers, requiring no one to be shirtless, no body paint, etc
OHSAA did it to. Some underclassmen were going to meet before a volleyball game to make signs for the team before a game. They ended up being told they could not due to OHSAA rules. Things they have done during the regular season were now banned in tournament time.
 
Huh? I saw a sign for Canton Central Catholic Open House the other day (about two blocks from WHS, BTW). Massillon has a marquee on the main drag announcing upcoming games and events. Almost every business in town has a "Beat Whomever" sign in the front window. The word gets out.

Now, Massillon may be the exception, but even with that there's no media presence -- because there is no media. The local newspaper is long gone, there's no radio or TV that would be a sensible choice for a product of limited geographic appeal, and even geo-located web ads would be more miss than hit.
On their marquee? That's not really advertising. And those businesses aren't being paid or have an in-kind agreement with the school to advertise their game.

Internet would be minimal. But that's at least where a good facebook page or Twitter account could help get the word out to those that at least already follow them.

Some of it could be as simple as putting a schedule on a bulletin at a local business/restaurant. I've seen some small towns where the placemat at a local establishment is the schools entire fall season schedule. Or, the little schedule cards MLB teams used to give out for free.

The problem is that all of that is not much. But schools generally don't budget a single dollar into outside advertising. If anything is done, it's through the booster club. If the school has one.
 
OHSAA did it to. Some underclassmen were going to meet before a volleyball game to make signs for the team before a game. They ended up being told they could not due to OHSAA rules. Things they have done during the regular season were now banned in tournament time.
I get that there might be different rules between a regular season game and postseason game. But, just the fact the banners aren't allowed at all (to be held, not affixed to the stadium, which is generally still allowed).
 
get that there might be different rules between a regular season game and postseason game. But, just the fact the banners aren't allowed at all (to be held, not affixed to the stadium, which is generally still allowed).
Yes these were just going to be hand held posters. No go.
 
Yes these were just going to be hand held posters. No go.
Big thing I see in other states is the 'Fatheads', where a players' image is blown up and cut out and on some type of stick to be waved by family, girlfriend, etc.

In Texas, even at the state finals at AT&T Stadium, homemade noisemakers are allowed in. Despite all their 'clear bag' policies, you can fill a can or gallon jug with coins or rocks and paint it or put ribbons, glitter, etc on it and they'll let it into the stadium. In Texas, they couldn't imagine not letting the fans have fun at the games.
 
On their marquee? That's not really advertising.
It's a standalone sign dedicated to WHS events, on the main drag:

Massillon sign.jpg


Some of it could be as simple as putting a schedule on a bulletin at a local business/restaurant. I've seen some small towns where the placemat at a local establishment is the schools entire fall season schedule. Or, the little schedule cards MLB teams used to give out for free.
Which Massillon already does. Almost every bar in town (and I've been to most) has a Tiger schedule on the wall.

The problem is that all of that is not much. But schools generally don't budget a single dollar into outside advertising.
But again, where?
 
Big thing I see in other states is the 'Fatheads', where a players' image is blown up and cut out and on some type of stick to be waved by family, girlfriend, etc.
These were used by both student sections in last year’s Ohio D6 finals. I doubt the ‘no signs’ edict is policed by the OHSAA at playoff games, but school admins may be enforcing it.
 
North Carolina basically does this and they decide what conference a team is in, there are no neutral sites and state championships are a joke in all sports. This would be terrible for Ohio, but exactly what the DeWine and Republicans in the State government want
 
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