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Prep Nation's Jamie D Current Views re: National Poll
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" Last yr, Lakeland had the best personel in the USA, and they came within a whisker of loosing to an average X team; on paper, L shoulda won that game by 45!"
I could vomit reading this! Lakeland did not have close to its best team and it did not have the "best personel in the USA", either. And to suggest that X was "average" is just such bullsh*t it is ridiculous. 2) St. X is a combined 40-1 against Ohio competition the last three years, with two state titles and a large number of convincing wins. The lone loss was a playoff loss to major power Colerain, who spent a year licking their wounds from being beaten twice the previous year to get redemption that year against X. As such, they likely were a bit flat the next week and were upset by a team few in Ohio think would win more than, say, two out of ten games against Colerain. That Lakeland traveled 1,000 miles and played in a unique, MORE HOSTILE ENVIRONMENT THAN ANY OPPONENT OF X HAS EVER FACED and is the only other team to have beaten X in that three-year span is significant. Considering that three-year run and the significant contributions from sophomores on the 2005 title team, I'd say it's quite absurd to suggest there was much of a difference between the 2006 team and those in 2005 and 2007.
I could vomit reading this! Lakeland did not have close to its best team and it did not have the "best personel in the USA", either. And to suggest that X was "average" is just such bullsh*t it is ridiculous. 2) St. X is a combined 40-1 against Ohio competition the last three years, with two state titles and a large number of convincing wins. The lone loss was a playoff loss to major power Colerain, who spent a year licking their wounds from being beaten twice the previous year to get redemption that year against X. As such, they likely were a bit flat the next week and were upset by a team few in Ohio think would win more than, say, two out of ten games against Colerain. That Lakeland traveled 1,000 miles and played in a unique, MORE HOSTILE ENVIRONMENT THAN ANY OPPONENT OF X HAS EVER FACED and is the only other team to have beaten X in that three-year span is significant. Considering that three-year run and the significant contributions from sophomores on the 2005 title team, I'd say it's quite absurd to suggest there was much of a difference between the 2006 team and those in 2005 and 2007.
" Last yr, Lakeland had the best personel in the USA, and they came within a whisker of loosing to an average X team; on paper, L shoulda won that game by 45!"
I could vomit reading this! Lakeland did not have close to its best team and it did not have the "best personel in the USA", either. And to suggest that X was "average" is just such bullsh*t it is ridiculous. 2) St. X is a combined 40-1 against Ohio competition the last three years, with two state titles and a large number of convincing wins. The lone loss was a playoff loss to major power Colerain, who spent a year licking their wounds from being beaten twice the previous year to get redemption that year against X. As such, they likely were a bit flat the next week and were upset by a team few in Ohio think would win more than, say, two out of ten games against Colerain. That Lakeland traveled 1,000 miles and played in a unique, MORE HOSTILE ENVIRONMENT THAN ANY OPPONENT OF X HAS EVER FACED and is the only other team to have beaten X in that three-year span is significant. Considering that three-year run and the significant contributions from sophomores on the 2005 title team, I'd say it's quite absurd to suggest there was much of a difference between the 2006 team and those in 2005 and 2007.
1) Lakeland 2006
10 or so major D1A recruits (don't even bother with any others) - how often does that happen even in Florida?
6 Florida 5A 1st Team All-State selections
2 Florida 5A 2nd Team All-State selections
3 Florida 5A 3rd Team All-State selections
4 Florida 5A All-State Honorable Mentions
Nearly 3/4 of their starting lineup got all-state honors.
Nearly 30% of the 5A All-State 1st Team was comprised of Dreadnaughts.
2) Hilliard Davidson gave X as tough a game as Colerain in 2005 and won the freaking title in 2006. They were for real.
3) Not absurd. At all. The upperclassmen for X 2005 were better than those on the '06 team. X 2007 is the best yet. 2
2005: 15-0
2006: 11-2 (1-2 vs. the three best teams they faced with the one win by just 3 pts and X only had half the yardage. Lucky.)
2007: 15-0
"I could vomit reading this! Lakeland did not have close to its best team and it did not have the "best personel in the USA", either. And to suggest that X was "average" is just such bullsh*t it is ridiculous.
Who was better in '06?
Who was better in '06?
Good question.
Who had around 10 major D1As and 15 kids with all-state mentions.
skyway?
consumerman
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" Last yr, Lakeland had the best personel in the USA, and they came within a whisker of loosing to an average X team; on paper, L shoulda won that game by 45!"
I could vomit reading this! Lakeland did not have close to its best team and it did not have the "best personel in the USA", either. And to suggest that X was "average" is just such bullsh*t it is ridiculous. 2) St. X is a combined 40-1 against Ohio competition the last three years, with two state titles and a large number of convincing wins. The lone loss was a playoff loss to major power Colerain, who spent a year licking their wounds from being beaten twice the previous year to get redemption that year against X. As such, they likely were a bit flat the next week and were upset by a team few in Ohio think would win more than, say, two out of ten games against Colerain. That Lakeland traveled 1,000 miles and played in a unique, MORE HOSTILE ENVIRONMENT THAN ANY OPPONENT OF X HAS EVER FACED and is the only other team to have beaten X in that three-year span is significant. Considering that three-year run and the significant contributions from sophomores on the 2005 title team, I'd say it's quite absurd to suggest there was much of a difference between the 2006 team and those in 2005 and 2007.
EXCELLENT POST
ya X is a real weakling how convenient when he is trying to explain away a loss to a school from a real football state
you win that debate EASILY
EaglePride01
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Give me a break. I'd hardly call a St. Xavier that went 10-2, finished region 4 runner-up to a great Colerain team, and only gave up an average of 8.4 pts/game (only Lakeland and Colerain broke the 20 point margin) AVERAGE. And I certainly dont recall that attitude you X guys had about that '06 team throughout the year as being average.
I think it's ridiculous to claim that the Herbie was the most hostile environment any opponent of X has ever faced.
1) Having 8,000 or so people in a stadium with a capacity of 35,000 doesn't really do it for me, especially when a lot of the people are there for other games. I have a lot of respect for the Bomb Squad, but they're not THAT good.
2) Exactly how many other X games do you have to compare it to?
It's a nice superficial theory, but I don't think it holds up.
If someone who has been to a lot of X games agrees, then fine, but until then, I don't believe it.
1) Having 8,000 or so people in a stadium with a capacity of 35,000 doesn't really do it for me, especially when a lot of the people are there for other games. I have a lot of respect for the Bomb Squad, but they're not THAT good.
2) Exactly how many other X games do you have to compare it to?
It's a nice superficial theory, but I don't think it holds up.
If someone who has been to a lot of X games agrees, then fine, but until then, I don't believe it.
EXCELLENT POST
ya X is a real weakling how convenient when he is trying to explain away a loss to a school from a real football state
you win that debate EASILY
Devil's Advocate,
I'm not sure why you are calling X a weakling, but whatever floats your boat....
X 2006 was the weakest of the X teams in the last three years. Just a simple fact. That does not make them a "weakling", however.
In 2005 and 2007 they were undefeated, and in 2007 they did it versus the toughest schedule in the 3-year span.
In 2006, they were lucky to escape with a win over an Eds team that doubled them up in yardage. They lost to the two other really good teams they faced and were spanked in one of those games by a team that got bounced in the next round. They barely beat a 5-5 LaSalle team...
The 2006 Bombers were a good team. Very good. But they were at best the #4 team in Ohio D1 and were the weakest of the 2005-2007 St. X teams. Even their Ohio results show that.
consumerman
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Devil's Advocate,
I'm not sure why you are calling X a weakling, but whatever floats your boat....
X 2006 was the weakest of the X teams in the last three years. Just a simple fact. That does not make them a "weakling", however.
In 2005 and 2007 they were undefeated, and in 2007 they did it versus the toughest schedule in the 3-year span.
In 2006, they were lucky to escape with a win over an Eds team that doubled them up in yardage. They lost to the two other really good teams they faced and were spanked in one of those games by a team that got bounced in the next round. They barely beat a 5-5 LaSalle team...
The 2006 Bombers were a good team. Very good. But they were at best the #4 team in Ohio D1 and were the weakest of the 2005-2007 St. X teams. Even their Ohio results show that.
duh u r the one making the claim they were a so-so 10-2 team
i was ridiculing you
consumerman
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they were lucky to escape with a win over an Eds team that doubled them up in yardage
yardage doesnt win games points do
in one MNF game the 49ers had 506 yards of offense
and scored 6 points
and lost
yardage doesnt win games points do
in one MNF game the 49ers had 506 yards of offense
and scored 6 points
and lost
duh u r the one making the claim they were a so-so 10-2 team
i was ridiculing you
You are one weird dude.
When did I ever refer to them as "so-so" or anything like that?
You aren't ridiculing anyone. You are being an advertisement for idiocy.
they were lucky to escape with a win over an Eds team that doubled them up in yardage
yardage doesnt win games points do
in one MNF game the 49ers had 506 yards of offense
and scored 6 points
and lost
Points win? Wow. And all this time I thought...
In most circumstances, when a team gets doubled up on in yardage by a team ranked #8 in the country, they lose. Pointing out exceptions o the rule is silly and doesn't change the fact that 2006 X was the weakest X team in the last three years.
Points win? Wow. And all this time I thought...
In most circumstances, when a team gets doubled up on in yardage by a team ranked #8 in the country, they lose. Pointing out exceptions o the rule is silly and doesn't change the fact that 2006 X was the weakest X team in the last three years.
To be clear, yes points win, but I think we have clearly established that there are big points and small points. The definitions are allowed to vary by region, i.e. there appear to be more big points in Texas vs. Illinois, but that's to be expected.
To be clear, Big Points:
*Any points you score in the first half, or second half this is detailed below
Little Points:
*Any points your opponents score in the second half(your second half point are still considered Big or at least Normal sized)
*Points you opponenet scores of a long bomb on blown coverage(clearly a simple breakdown), a fumble/int returned for a TD, any special teams TD.
I think any points in the last two minutes of the first half by your opponent are little points.
And any points by your opponent, at any point in the game, that resulted from a drive that included a fourth down conversion, are little points.
Two-point conversions by your opponent are definitely little points.
And missed extra points by your team count anyway (infinite points?). (Sure, we lost 22-19, but we should have won 21-20).
And any points by your opponent, at any point in the game, that resulted from a drive that included a fourth down conversion, are little points.
Two-point conversions by your opponent are definitely little points.
And missed extra points by your team count anyway (infinite points?). (Sure, we lost 22-19, but we should have won 21-20).
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I think it's ridiculous to claim that the Herbie was the most hostile environment any opponent of X has ever faced.
1) Having 8,000 or so people in a stadium with a capacity of 35,000 doesn't really do it for me, especially when a lot of the people are there for other games. I have a lot of respect for the Bomb Squad, but they're not THAT good.
2) Exactly how many other X games do you have to compare it to?
It's a nice superficial theory, but I don't think it holds up.
If someone who has been to a lot of X games agrees, then fine, but until then, I don't believe it.
1) The newspapers reported the crowd at 18,000. The game was viewable on vootage.com. Clearly, X had a major fan advantage further enhaced by folks such as yourself who are not X fans but ardently cheer for the Bombers in support of an Ohio or Midwest team. No game X has played featured that many fans rooting for X against the opponent. The Colerain games had more people there, but there was obviously a ton of red in the stadium.
2) Nobody has traveled such a great distance and disrupted their game week prep schedule as much as Lakeland did for that game.
3) Despite the St. Ed's game the week prior, Lakeland got special attention by X all off-season due to the target on its back of being ranked #1 in the country and more highly regarded than any opponent X has ever faced.
".....doesn't change the fact that 2006 X was the weakest X team in the last three years."
Yes, that was the weakest X team of the last three years....by a quite nominal margin. Really, you could easily argue that the 2005 and 2007 teams did not face opponents as strong as Lakeland and Colerain were in 2006. I'll let the Colerain fans and others touch on this. You look at the scores and stats of the last three ywears for X and see very similar numbers throughout. That's the sign of a good program but also a sign there was very little difference between the three teams.
Yes, that was the weakest X team of the last three years....by a quite nominal margin. Really, you could easily argue that the 2005 and 2007 teams did not face opponents as strong as Lakeland and Colerain were in 2006. I'll let the Colerain fans and others touch on this. You look at the scores and stats of the last three ywears for X and see very similar numbers throughout. That's the sign of a good program but also a sign there was very little difference between the three teams.
The Herbie claims 50,000 total.
That's for at least four sessions (Friday Nippert, Saturday Paul Brown, Saturday Nippert I, Saturday Nippert II). I am not sure if Paul Brown had a Friday session or a second Saturday session.
That's an average of 12,500, using the promoter's numbers.
And even if Nippert I was over that, not everyone was there for both games.
Rooting for the midwest is not something I am really interested in. I went to see DLS. Thanks for guessing, though.
That's for at least four sessions (Friday Nippert, Saturday Paul Brown, Saturday Nippert I, Saturday Nippert II). I am not sure if Paul Brown had a Friday session or a second Saturday session.
That's an average of 12,500, using the promoter's numbers.
And even if Nippert I was over that, not everyone was there for both games.
Rooting for the midwest is not something I am really interested in. I went to see DLS. Thanks for guessing, though.
The Herbie claims 50,000 total.
That's for at least four sessions (Friday Nippert, Saturday Paul Brown, Saturday Nippert I, Saturday Nippert II). I am not sure if Paul Brown had a Friday session or a second Saturday session.
That's an average of 12,500, using the promoter's numbers.
And even if Nippert I was over that, not everyone was there for both games.
Rooting for the midwest is not something I am really interested in. I went to see DLS. Thanks for guessing, though.
The average increases dramatically when you factor in the 17 people in attendance for the Texas High-Findlay game(attendance figure courtesy Bordertown).
1) The newspapers reported the crowd at 18,000. The game was viewable on vootage.com. Clearly, X had a major fan advantage further enhaced by folks such as yourself who are not X fans but ardently cheer for the Bombers in support of an Ohio or Midwest team. No game X has played featured that many fans rooting for X against the opponent. The Colerain games had more people there, but there was obviously a ton of red in the stadium.
2) Nobody has traveled such a great distance and disrupted their game week prep schedule as much as Lakeland did for that game.
3) Despite the St. Ed's game the week prior, Lakeland got special attention by X all off-season due to the target on its back of being ranked #1 in the country and more highly regarded than any opponent X has ever faced.
Ohio fans were classy enough not to bring loud air horns to set off every time X tried to run a play. Equalizer?
And how could you possibly know how much X focused their existence on Lakeland? Eds was ranked #8 in the nation. But hey, ignore'em.
And FYI, X has faced Moeller, Ignatius and Canton McKinley national champion teams. Lakeland wasn't even X's toughest game in 2006.
Pied: What is the longest bus ride (not flight) teams have to make in Texas? I'm guessing there are a few before the district schedules start that are quite a long way.
Concha: Who is St. Xavier paying special attention to at this very moment (it being the offseason and all)? Or are they just kind of hanging out, since they don't have Lakeland scheduled for next year?
Concha: Who is St. Xavier paying special attention to at this very moment (it being the offseason and all)? Or are they just kind of hanging out, since they don't have Lakeland scheduled for next year?
Pied: What is the longest bus ride (not flight) teams have to make in Texas? I'm guessing there are a few before the district schedules start that are quite a long way.
Concha: Who is St. Xavier paying special attention to at this very moment (it being the offseason and all)? Or are they just kind of hanging out, since they don't have Lakeland scheduled for next year?
Not sure if this is what you're asking, but they play Don Bosco next year.
Pied: What is the longest bus ride (not flight) teams have to make in Texas? I'm guessing there are a few before the district schedules start that are quite a long way.
Concha: Who is St. Xavier paying special attention to at this very moment (it being the offseason and all)? Or are they just kind of hanging out, since they don't have Lakeland scheduled for next year?
Without Lakeland, the greatest challenge ever faced by X since time began, well.... there is no purpose.
We are lost.
Pied: What is the longest bus ride (not flight) teams have to make in Texas? I'm guessing there are a few before the district schedules start that are quite a long way.
Concha: Who is St. Xavier paying special attention to at this very moment (it being the offseason and all)? Or are they just kind of hanging out, since they don't have Lakeland scheduled for next year?
I am metroplex guy. We travel about 20 minutes or so most of the time.
I know Trinity took busses to Odessa earlier in the year, about six hours. In West/South Texas it is not uncommon to have to travel a long way to find someone to play.
Lubbock and San Angelo are 180 miles apart and in the same district. Pretty close to that for Midland/Odessa and Abilene. I suspect there is some stupidity in the Valley, but don't concern myself w/R4 teams that much.
Price_Hillbilly
Active member
duh u r the one making the claim they were a so-so 10-2 team
i was ridiculing you
You may be an adult, but you troll and write like a teenager. We're all sooo proud of your accomplishments. Did someone beat you up recently? Lose a job? Sounds pretty sinister from the bitter, defensive way you write. Ray Kinsella disease (17 and mad at my father)?
Go get yourself the newest Maxim and 5-knuckle-shuffle it some. For all we care, do it in the stands of the next DLS game. I'm sure it'll be a stress-reliever.
consumerman
New member
the fact that 2006 X was the weakest X team in the last three years.
why?
because they lost to lakeland?
because colerain stomped them last year with a first string QB but didnt this year with a second string QB?
because 2005 and 2007 they went undefeated and won state championships?
the difference between the three teams is miniscule
you are making it like they were vastly superior in 2005 and 2007
of course losing to lakeland in 2006 is the main problem you have to try and excuse away
why?
because they lost to lakeland?
because colerain stomped them last year with a first string QB but didnt this year with a second string QB?
because 2005 and 2007 they went undefeated and won state championships?
the difference between the three teams is miniscule
you are making it like they were vastly superior in 2005 and 2007
of course losing to lakeland in 2006 is the main problem you have to try and excuse away
WrongPerson
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to say the difference of the three classes was minuscule is to be ignorant. 05 had many senior leaders where as the 06 team were mostly starting juniors....you may not see a difference, but there is a huge one when it comes to playing on the field.
the fact that 2006 X was the weakest X team in the last three years.
why?
because they lost to lakeland? [Partly]
because colerain stomped them last year with a first string QB but didnt this year with a second string QB? [Getting stomped by a team that gets bounced their very next game is a good one...]
because 2005 and 2007 they went undefeated and won state championships? [And going 15-0 in 2007 against a monster schedule while suffering key injuries during the year. Twice beating an excellent Colerain team in 2005... The 2005 team struggling to beat a 5-5 LaSalle team in addition to the Colerain buttwhipping...]
the difference between the three teams is miniscule [To you. The guy with the agenda who thinks that 30-0 with two titles is a miniscule performance difference versus a 10-2 team that didn't make it out of region (in a big loss to a team that didn't make the finals). And beating a 5-5 team with just over a minute to go does not look good on the resume.]
you are making it like they were vastly superior in 2005 and 2007 [I am saying they were better. Little to no doubt about that.]
of course losing to lakeland in 2006 is the main problem you have to try and excuse away [No excuse at all. You are creating a fantasy world that I am making them. X lost. Fine. X also nearly lost the week before playing Lakeland. X also barely pulled out a win versus a 5-5 team. X also got brutalized two rounds before the title game by a non-finalist. But there are fools in the world who think a team like that is nearly indistinguishable to ones that went 30-0 and won two titles. Amazing.]
Yawn.