#PACtion™ 2024

ShootNation said:
It couldn't be that the level of QB play has reached a new level with the advent of full season training regiments, high level offensive schemes, and copious amounts of tape review could it? Nah, no way. The game peaked in 1984 for sure
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So you are denying that rules change/how rules are enforced don't play a significant portion of it?

Plus what you call high level offensive schemes is dink and dunk and try and get YAC. I find that style very boring.
 
Mikefln said:
I find that style very boring.
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I hear that a lot from my friends who are Steeler fans. What I find to be true, they didn’t mind in when Big Ben was doing as much as they do with a guy who’s nickname is “baby hands” ; )
 
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Geez, took some time away and the thread starts to look like a script writing session for a Grumpy Old Men remake.

Let’s all be clear why most don’t care for “modern” football. It’s not because it’s too soft or too fancy or too numbers driven. It’s because we know we could never have played.

Back in the days of 17-10 NFL games where Clay Mathew’s was considered an athletic linebacker even though it looked like he was running on ice half the time, it was easy to watch the best athletes and say “I coulda done that if I had some breaks.”

Now, watching someone try to tackle Nick Chubb or cover Justin Jefferson you realize your dream of being an astronaut was closer to the truth.

My 2 cents. Feel free to go back to the “get off my lawn” discussion. ; )
 
Raylan_Givens said:
Geez, took some time away and the thread starts to look like a script writing session for a Grumpy Old Men remake.

Let’s all be clear why most don’t care for “modern” football. It’s not because it’s too soft or too fancy or too numbers driven. It’s because we know we could never have played.

Back in the days of 17-10 NFL games where Clay Mathew’s was considered an athletic linebacker even though it looked like he was running on ice half the time, it was easy to watch the best athletes and say “I coulda done that if I had some breaks.”

Now, watching someone try to tackle Nick Chubb or cover Justin Jefferson you realize your dream of being an astronaut was closer to the truth.

My 2 cents. Feel free to go back to the “get off my lawn” discussion. ; )
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Sorry Raylan I'm not buying it. I know who I was as a player and I was a D3, D2 player at best regardless of the style. I liked football for the physical smashmouth style (I was a fullback and nose guard) and I do not care for the finesse style of today. Probably the reason why I do not like basketball as that is the ultimate finesse sport.

If I am going to watch a passing game, then I want to see them really air it out and throw long down field. I want the defender to be aggressive making a play on that ball. Again it is my preference. I do not like the dink and dunk style of today's game. Then when you add all transfers and how NIL is about buying a team instead of giving player X a portion of their Jersey sales, it makes college football hard to stomach. The NFL has its own set of issues.

Again, my opinion. NOW GET OFF MY LAWN!!

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ShootNation said:
It couldn't be that the level of QB play has reached a new level with the advent of full season training regiments, high level offensive schemes, and copious amounts of tape review could it? Nah, no way. The game peaked in 1984 for sure
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Yeah because the Bill Walsh and Joe Gibbs offensive systems were low level vs the offensive sheer brilliance of Kevin Stefanski or Matt Canada. 😂
 
Mikefln said:
Sorry Raylan I'm not buying it. I know who I was as a player and I was a D3, D2 player at best regardless of the style. I liked football for the physical smashmouth style (I was a fullback and nose guard) and I do not care for the finesse style of today. Probably the reason why I do not like basketball as that is the ultimate finesse sport.

If I am going to watch a passing game, then I want to see them really air it out and throw long down field. I want the defender to be aggressive making a play on that ball. Again it is my preference. I do not like the dink and dunk style of today's game. Then when you add all transfers and how NIL is about buying a team instead of giving player X a portion of their Jersey sales, it makes college football hard to stomach. The NFL has its own set of issues.

Again, my opinion. NOW GET OFF MY LAWN!!

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Now I do love college basketball and I still have a liking of watching the Big East. Why? Because they're a basketball league and they know it.

There's big personalities and interesting storylines. And the Big East TV announcers don't annoy me to shreds.

The schools like UConn are at the top of the current game while there's still tradition in watching a college game from MSG plus I enjoy Xavier, I'm curious how Thad Matta is doing at Butler, and Rick Pitino is sorta like watching a car wreck. Pitino IS a car wreck.

I'll be far more into Big Ten BB when Ohio State figures out its next coach. I hope.
 
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Raylan_Givens said:
Geez, took some time away and the thread starts to look like a script writing session for a Grumpy Old Men remake.

Let’s all be clear why most don’t care for “modern” football. It’s not because it’s too soft or too fancy or too numbers driven. It’s because we know we could never have played.

Back in the days of 17-10 NFL games where Clay Mathew’s was considered an athletic linebacker even though it looked like he was running on ice half the time, it was easy to watch the best athletes and say “I coulda done that if I had some breaks.”

Now, watching someone try to tackle Nick Chubb or cover Justin Jefferson you realize your dream of being an astronaut was closer to the truth.

My 2 cents. Feel free to go back to the “get off my lawn” discussion. ; )
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This is the tuffness. This is the standard.
 
Raylan_Givens said:
Geez, took some time away and the thread starts to look like a script writing session for a Grumpy Old Men remake.

Let’s all be clear why most don’t care for “modern” football. It’s not because it’s too soft or too fancy or too numbers driven. It’s because we know we could never have played.

Back in the days of 17-10 NFL games where Clay Mathew’s was considered an athletic linebacker even though it looked like he was running on ice half the time, it was easy to watch the best athletes and say “I coulda done that if I had some breaks.”

Now, watching someone try to tackle Nick Chubb or cover Justin Jefferson you realize your dream of being an astronaut was closer to the truth.

My 2 cents. Feel free to go back to the “get off my lawn” discussion. ; )
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The Sam Wyche Bengals of 1988 were scoring 28 points a game with an NFL MVP QB, two running backs at around 2,000 yards and they were creatively bringing the no huddle offense to the NFL.

They were, without question, NOT playing on slow speed and quite entertaining. And they had a coach with a big personality and bold opinions not afraid to grab a mic and pi$s off his main rival's fanbase.

No question there have been rule changes to make playing defense harder in football but that's secondary to me in my view of today's "big league" college or pro sports not being as exciting or fun.

The reason for me is a lack of compelling storylines. The NFL in my mind still has a Burrow vs Mahomes possible storyline but college ball doesn't have anything compelling to me these days.

Is Coach DeBoer at Alabama gonna beat Georgia....that just doesn't do it for me. Michigan vs OSU? I can't get excited with the current regime in Columbus and the big personality from Ann Arbor is now in LA.

It's about personalities in sports and storylines for me.....and not having announcers that annoy me.
 
Rich Kotite said:
Yeah because the Bill Walsh and Joe Gibbs offensive systems were low level vs the offensive sheer brilliance of Kevin Stefanski or Matt Canada. 😂
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Richard, Gibbs hung it up three decades ago (and should have stuck with nascar after that). The game has evolved. To put in in perspective Paul Brown left Cleveland in '62 and Gibbs started in '81. That's only 19 years and you'd think their teams were completely playing different games
 
ShootNation said:
Richard, Gibbs hung it up three decades ago (and should have stuck with nascar after that). The game has evolved. To put in in perspective Paul Brown left Cleveland in '62 and Gibbs started in '81. That's only 19 years and you'd think their teams were completely playing different games
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Gibbs and Walsh played complicated offenses during an era of different rules in particular about pass defense and hitting quarterbacks.

But do you really know that? You're from Carrollton and Carrollton views are 10% less than the rest of PACtionTM due to unreliable Appalachian WiFi and a lack of BellStores.
 
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Rich Kotite said:
The schools like UConn are at the top of the current game while there's still tradition in watching a college game from MSG plus I enjoy Xavier, I'm curious how Thad Matta is doing at Butler, and Rick Pitino is sorta like watching a car wreck. Pitino IS a car wreck.

I'll be far more into Big Ten BB when Ohio State figures out its next coach. I hope.
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Rich. There is nothing that exudes less PACtion™ than UConn anything. A basketball program that spent a decade thanking their lucky stars that they got the golden ticket out of The Yankee Conference fighting with Seton Hall to stay out of the basement of The Big East. Ask a UConn fan when college hoops history began. I’ll give you a hint. Nothing before 1991 exists.

Now football? Are you kidding me? Name another program that got elevated to a BCS conference. You can’t. UConn fan: insufferable.

You might need to take a self imposed time out for invoking the Huskies on PACtion™.
 
cuyahogacuse said:
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Rich. There is nothing that exudes less PACtion™ than UConn anything. A basketball program that spent a decade thanking their lucky stars that they got the golden ticket out of The Yankee Conference fighting with Seton Hall to stay out of the basement of The Big East. Ask a UConn fan when college hoops history began. I’ll give you a hint. Nothing before 1991 exists.

Now football? Are you kidding me? Name another program that got elevated to a BCS conference. You can’t. UConn fan: insufferable.

You might need to take a self imposed time out for invoking the Huskies on PACtion™.
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Pat Dye was a great coach and leader of men.

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Rich Kotite said:
Now I do love college basketball and I still have a liking of watching the Big East. Why? Because they're a basketball league and they know it.

There's big personalities and interesting storylines. And the Big East TV announcers don't annoy me to shreds.

The schools like UConn are at the top of the current game while there's still tradition in watching a college game from MSG plus I enjoy Xavier, I'm curious how Thad Matta is doing at Butler, and Rick Pitino is sorta like watching a car wreck. Pitino IS a car wreck.

I'll be far more into Big Ten BB when Ohio State figures out its next coach. I hope.
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Reading this has me singing:

 
I am hiding in the bunker...its not safe out here...we are throwing haymakers at each other...lol...Cabin Fever is just going crazy...lol. I watch tv but not really...I read more then watch...so I don't have all those channels you all pay for...lol. I like a good Dive bar...and am always watching Guy to see if I am going to be near one you schmoes...lol
 
Raylan_Givens said:
Geez, took some time away and the thread starts to look like a script writing session for a Grumpy Old Men remake.

Let’s all be clear why most don’t care for “modern” football. It’s not because it’s too soft or too fancy or too numbers driven. It’s because we know we could never have played.

Back in the days of 17-10 NFL games where Clay Mathew’s was considered an athletic linebacker even though it looked like he was running on ice half the time, it was easy to watch the best athletes and say “I coulda done that if I had some breaks.”

Now, watching someone try to tackle Nick Chubb or cover Justin Jefferson you realize your dream of being an astronaut was closer to the truth.

My 2 cents. Feel free to go back to the “get off my lawn” discussion. ; )
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Yeah I don't agree with that take at all.
 
Mikefln said:
Sorry Raylan I'm not buying it. I know who I was as a player and I was a D3, D2 player at best regardless of the style. I liked football for the physical smashmouth style (I was a fullback and nose guard) and I do not care for the finesse style of today. Probably the reason why I do not like basketball as that is the ultimate finesse sport.

If I am going to watch a passing game, then I want to see them really air it out and throw long down field. I want the defender to be aggressive making a play on that ball. Again it is my preference. I do not like the dink and dunk style of today's game. Then when you add all transfers and how NIL is about buying a team instead of giving player X a portion of their Jersey sales, it makes college football hard to stomach. The NFL has its own set of issues.

Again, my opinion. NOW GET OFF MY LAWN!!
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I don't have much of an issue with any of this. I'll see you're issues with the college game and raise you that the NCAA could mess up a milkshake if you spotted them the ice cream, milk, and started stirring for them.

While I do enjoy the openness of today's game, I'm also HUGELY in favor of those teams that go against the grain - ie, RUN THE BALL! But the young Koach's of today's world are not getting college & NFL jobs based on how often they use 13 personnel and/or 3 man backfields.

The problem, is that most of the coaches coaching spread offenses at high school & college level have simply learned it by going to a clinic or watching someone else's film. They don't know why their doing it, they just see it work for others.

Regardless, that's what makes PACtion2024™ great - we don't have to all agree. If we did 1) we wouldn't be the most active thread in this forum and 2) we'd all be buying our chainsaws at our favorite gas stations.
 
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