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The sites receive a flat fee for each game hosted. There is no fee schedule set by the OHSAA for the workers at each site.

Any compensation for said workers is solely at the discretion of the tournament manager. It varies from site to site.
Pretty certain we do locally because the guy said he always feels guilty getting paid for what he does for free all yr
Allsports you are correct, it was just my understanding that schools were supposed to use a portion to pay official scorekeepers/ scoreboard operators. I've ran the scoreboard for football and basketball at 2 different schools over the years, and both always paid me for every OHSAA tournament game I worked.
 
Honestly...I place 100% blame on the facility/AD/tournament manager and not the OHSAA one bit.

Only way I would blame the ohsaa in this instance is they scheduled the game at a facility with no scoreboard, or a knowingly non working scoreboard.

If the board was broke and last minute...well that aucks but if it was the case I imagine someone would have mentioned that already.



Heck.....15 or so yrs ago we felt like terrible hosts when we were hosting a 4 teak summer ACME round Robin and the board went down midday on Saturday. It was hot as balls that weekend and the control panel overheated. We did get a second one in the off-season in case that ever happened again.


No scoreboard at a regional game......embarrassing for that school.
You should never feel bad about anything ACME related. Hopefully its slow death continues and within the next couple of years it is gone.
 
Allsports you are correct, it was just my understanding that schools were supposed to use a portion to pay official scorekeepers/ scoreboard operators. I've ran the scoreboard for football and basketball at 2 different schools over the years, and both always paid me for every OHSAA tournament game I worked.
Game workers are required to be paid there is just not a set amount. It's in the tournament managers guide you get. I think the current suggested rate is $25-30 per game.
 
I agree with your opinion of the venue.

That said, what venue was passed over in lieu of Mason?
I truly have no idea. D1 was at Miami this year for the first time in a while. I’m not familiar with a lot of the high school fields in southwest Ohio. D3 was at wright state. Always a great venue. I believe d4 was at Princeton. That leaves midland and UC as sites they’ve used in the past. Also athletes in action in Xenia.
I’m guessing at least half of the crowd at the regional final were standing with no seats to be found. Again I’m not blaming Mason and congrats to the comets btw, but it’s been an issue for a while.
 
Stop.

Basketball has an official scorer as well at the scorers table. Let's just put a countdown clock and be done with it. To hell with the score, qtr and fouls on the scoreboard....that is just a luxury to the fans.

Football has the first and ten markers on the field. Time and TOs are kept on the field as well. Backjudge notifies QB when the play clock is at 10 and 5 I do believe. Lets just take the scoreboard away in football as well, it is just a luxury to the fans.



You dont think players and coaches, and the media rely on the scoreboards?



Hell, we run our scoreboard on the main diamond for all Freshmen, JV and varsity games and scrimmages as well as summer Jr. ACME and Sr. ACME games.
You don't do well with reading comprehension.
 
I truly have no idea. D1 was at Miami this year for the first time in a while. I’m not familiar with a lot of the high school fields in southwest Ohio. D3 was at wright state. Always a great venue. I believe d4 was at Princeton. That leaves midland and UC as sites they’ve used in the past. Also athletes in action in Xenia.
I’m guessing at least half of the crowd at the regional final were standing with no seats to be found. Again I’m not blaming Mason and congrats to the comets btw, but it’s been an issue for a while.
Athletes and action doesn’t have the seating. It really needs though. That place is not as large as people think. There’s always a ton of standing room there which probably isn’t the worst thing ever but it’s also an issue with parking due to how many other events could go on that day especially now that they’ve built the indoor facility and expanded the soccer fields.
 
Allsports you are correct, it was just my understanding that schools were supposed to use a portion to pay official scorekeepers/ scoreboard operators. I've ran the scoreboard for football and basketball at 2 different schools over the years, and both always paid me for every OHSAA tournament game I worked.
From the 2024 tournament manager's manual....

"The flat fee established for the 2024 Regional Tournament is $750/Semi-Final and $850/Final, for a total of $2,350 with the two Semi-Finals and Final on the weekend, plus uniformed law enforcement (if required). The full flat fee is to be used at the discretion of the tournament manager—we do not have set rates to pay the tournament staff. Please make sure to include a TournamentManager’s rate as well."

Now, most sites/schools provide compensation for these games. I am aware of a few over the years that use and/or have used the same people for years who cover regular season and post season games that are compensated at an agreed rate prior to and separate from what a tournament manager has available to pay them.
 
I truly have no idea. D1 was at Miami this year for the first time in a while. I’m not familiar with a lot of the high school fields in southwest Ohio. D3 was at wright state. Always a great venue. I believe d4 was at Princeton. That leaves midland and UC as sites they’ve used in the past. Also athletes in action in Xenia.
I’m guessing at least half of the crowd at the regional final were standing with no seats to be found. Again I’m not blaming Mason and congrats to the comets btw, but it’s been an issue for a while.
So here we are again complaining (not just you, there's others as well) without knowing the facts pertaining to the situation. We don't know the availability and the willingness of other venues with regards to hosting and we certianly (as admitted by another on here) don't know why the scoreboard was not operating/being operated at Mason. There of plenty of issues with the OHSAA, however it's not fair to kick them on this without knowing the facts.

And again with regards to Mason, it's probably a venue being used because of the experience the administration has in running events like these. A baseball field that has dead ball territory lines instead of fences separating dead ball territory from live ball territory is not desirable in my book for tournament play. Umpires who work there often complain that they get a very limited number of baseballs from the OHSAA for games there. Anyone who knows the layout understands that the supply can be exhausted in only one or two batters leaving the umpires to have to ask the teams to replenish the supply. Most of those balls hit out of play will not be retreived and the requests in the past have lead to some testy back and forth between the coaches and umpires.
 
So here we are again complaining (not just you, there's others as well) without knowing the facts pertaining to the situation. We don't know the availability and the willingness of other venues with regards to hosting and we certianly (as admitted by another on here) don't know why the scoreboard was not operating/being operated at Mason. There of plenty of issues with the OHSAA, however it's not fair to kick them on this without knowing the facts.

And again with regards to Mason, it's probably a venue being used because of the experience the administration has in running events like these. A baseball field that has dead ball territory lines instead of fences separating dead ball territory from live ball territory is not desirable in my book for tournament play. Umpires who work there often complain that they get a very limited number of baseballs from the OHSAA for games there. Anyone who knows the layout understands that the supply can be exhausted in only one or two batters leaving the umpires to have to ask the teams to replenish the supply. Most of those balls hit out of play will not be retreived and the requests in the past have lead to some testy back and forth between the coaches and umpires.
So are you not complaining? It’s a bad venue. Period. Been there multiple times.
I’m truly not trying to pin the blame on anyone. It’s easy to get to from any direction, sitting 5-10 miles from either 75 or 71. Turf infield. Big dugouts. Throwing bullpens around your fans is questionable however. Yes sits directly on a major driving artery for that area. Why wouldn’t the OHSAA have plenty of baseballs? I’m done whining! JMO
 
So are you not complaining?
Nope..... got better thngs to do than worry about things I have no control over
It’s a bad venue. Period. Been there multiple times.
Agreed
Why wouldn’t the OHSAA have plenty of baseballs?
See "plenty of issues with the OHSAA". One of the funnier stories about Head Coach/Umpire interactions that I have heard is related to baseballs at a tournament game (early round) played at Mason many years ago.
 
You should never feel bad about anything ACME related. Hopefully its slow death continues and within the next couple of years it is gone.
WTF?
So kids would have no other option but to travel and pay thousands of dollars to play baseball?

You lost any creditibilty you ever had with that comment.
 
WTF?
So kids would have no other option but to travel and pay thousands of dollars to play baseball?

You lost any creditibilty you ever had with that comment.
Rec, legion, travel, there’s plenty of other options. Not all travel costs thousands of dollars.

I’ve watched it die a slow death for 20 years. Five years ago we worked for 21 acme teams. This year there’s four of them left of that group and no one expanding. The acme state tourney games the past few years were unbearable to watch.

Lou Brunswick would be sick to see what it’s become.

I’m not worried about what credibility exists on an online message board. I know what I know and what I know is it’s time. I’m sorry the truth hurts. College summer wood bat is in the same boat in many places. Even in places where it was big other sports are going eventually reign further supreme in the summer.
 
So are you not complaining? It’s a bad venue. Period. Been there multiple times.
I’m truly not trying to pin the blame on anyone. It’s easy to get to from any direction, sitting 5-10 miles from either 75 or 71. Turf infield. Big dugouts. Throwing bullpens around your fans is questionable however. Yes sits directly on a major driving artery for that area. Why wouldn’t the OHSAA have plenty of baseballs? I’m done whining! JMO
The lack of baseballs exists at every level as if it’s some kind of rare gem. At the state tourney they even ask for them back. It’s almost hilarious.
 
It’s just not a good venue for d2 baseball regional. Nice field, nice dugouts, nice seating etc. Way too many spectators without a place to sit. Scoreboard adds to the issue. It’s been in Mason for a long time and I doubt it’s going anywhere. I guess shut up and play should be the mantra.
I agree. Mason is nice but Iam not sure it is even the nicest facility in the area. D2 Regional Championship games deserve a proper location. I was surprised that Miami University didn't get all the games. If you are playing a State Championship game at 10:00 AM (not good for high school players but whatever), I think they could have made Miami work.
 
Rec, legion, travel, there’s plenty of other options. Not all travel costs thousands of dollars.

I’ve watched it die a slow death for 20 years. Five years ago we worked for 21 acme teams. This year there’s four of them left of that group and no one expanding. The acme state tourney games the past few years were unbearable to watch.

Lou Brunswick would be sick to see what it’s become.

I’m not worried about what credibility exists on an online message board. I know what I know and what I know is it’s time. I’m sorry the truth hurts. College summer wood bat is in the same boat in many places. Even in places where it was big other sports are going eventually reign further supreme in the summer.
Ya get put of something whatever ya put into it.

Some places don't give a dang and it shows.

As it stands there is no better option for most of the kids. ACME gives player 1-15 on your roster a chance to play for basically free, without hours of travel,.

Coaches need to work together and it happens in some areas. He'll our FB coach even has been known to throw BP during ACME....

I agree tho it's dying. Last yr was the worst I've seen it and it's sad to see.

It goes away and most of those players just won't be playing anything after their spring season.

Followed travel the last 6 summers and absolutely hat4d it and thank God that is over. The time, expense and lack of any sort of coaching was an absolute waste. Money and time would been better spent staying Local, using that extra time foe Local practice, a trainer, to work on physical deficiencies instead of 4 days a week traveling, stating in hotels, playing a bastardized version of the game with organizations that only cared about the money to be on the team and in tournaments that fleeced everyone.

AAU ization of the sport has ruined it for the masses.
I used to be all in with baseball to include coaching fo 10 summers and now I can barely stomach watching the game due to 6 summers of the travel circus. Most enjoyable baseball I've had the last 6.urs is attending the state acme tournament
 
Ya get put of something whatever ya put into it.

Some places don't give a dang and it shows.

As it stands there is no better option for most of the kids. ACME gives player 1-15 on your roster a chance to play for basically free, without hours of travel,.

Coaches need to work together and it happens in some areas. He'll our FB coach even has been known to throw BP during ACME....

I agree tho it's dying. Last yr was the worst I've seen it and it's sad to see.

It goes away and most of those players just won't be playing anything after their spring season.

Followed travel the last 6 summers and absolutely hat4d it and thank God that is over. The time, expense and lack of any sort of coaching was an absolute waste. Money and time would been better spent staying Local, using that extra time foe Local practice, a trainer, to work on physical deficiencies instead of 4 days a week traveling, stating in hotels, playing a bastardized version of the game with organizations that only cared about the money to be on the team and in tournaments that fleeced everyone.

AAU ization of the sport has ruined it for the masses.
I used to be all in with baseball to include coaching fo 10 summers and now I can barely stomach watching the game due to 6 summers of the travel circus. Most enjoyable baseball I've had the last 6.urs is attending the state acme tournament
Totally agree on travel baseball. Truly only about the money and it's everyone. Unfortunately, it is the only game in town. Have coached at both(hs and summer) for over 40 years. Summer is nothing but d-bag coaches, parents only looking to get Jr a D1 scholarship and tourney organizers after your wallet. Great game, sad state of following it.
I assume that's considered a complaint, I apologize ahead of time
 
I agree. Mason is nice but Iam not sure it is even the nicest facility in the area. D2 Regional Championship games deserve a proper location. I was surprised that Miami University didn't get all the games. If you are playing a State Championship game at 10:00 AM (not good for high school players but whatever), I think they could have made Miami work.
Wait til 2025 and there are 7 divisions. OHSAA may go to the 1:50 time limit on a ball game.
 
Everyone complains about how much money the OHSAA has in their pocket. The obvious solution is for them to start writing 7 figure checks to the Red, Guardians, Mudhens, Dragons, and/or Clippers to vacate their parks so we can play regional semi's and finals on good fields with scoreboards and amazing facilities.
 
If they do that in the regionals and state tournaments people will riot.
They are going to play over 3-4 days right now at 4 sites or try to find 7 sites. This is not a realistic problem. There are already conversations taking place to plan for the expansion. It is also likely the case all games through District finals will be played at higher seed sites with Regionals being the first neutral site games. State semi-games will be at various locations with a select few rotating at the site of the finals which would be played over two days (the finals will be played over two days). I've been in the room on these.
 
Wait til 2025 and there are 7 divisions. OHSAA may go to the 1:50 time limit on a ball game.
and 8AM games......
and no INF/OF, no scoreboard, play through monsoons, and charge teams an additional grand to play in the state tournament......but it will be worth it because they will email out the boxscores to 100 college coaches.....
 
They are going to play over 3-4 days right now at 4 sites or try to find 7 sites. This is not a realistic problem. There are already conversations taking place to plan for the expansion. It is also likely the case all games through District finals will be played at higher seed sites with Regionals being the first neutral site games. State semi-games will be at various locations with a select few rotating at the site of the finals which would be played over two days (the finals will be played over two days). I've been in the room on these.
Looks like Mason will host some state semi finals.
 
Looks like Mason will host some state semi finals.
Probably. They host football and basketball tournament games too. They have a well respected and well connected AD, ample parking and plenty of parent volunteers when needed.

I’m not a huge fan of their football stadium but they check all of the boxes the OHSAA cares about.
 
Mason might be fine for the smaller divisions but D2 is just too much for them. Not enough seating for a big game. If they have trouble with somebody running the scoreboard, I will help. That situation should be managed by OHSAA. I do agree with the higher seed hosting but the reality is that some of the facilities are just sub-par. I am looking at you X and Mariemont. I wonder if West Chester baseball facility might be a viable option if they increase their seating and scoreboards. They would need a multi-year guarantee. Just spit balling here.
 
Probably. They host football and basketball tournament games too. They have a well respected and well connected AD, ample parking and plenty of parent volunteers when needed.

I’m not a huge fan of their football stadium but they check all of the boxes the OHSAA cares about.
it is likely they would host Regionals. The SW State sites in process are all colleges for semi finals but nothing is in stone yet.
 
This has become totally blown out of proportion about "Mason is a bad host since no scoreboard"----the young man who does the scoreboard duties for Mason baseball (over 50 games this spring, as well as at least the past 5-7 years) at 3:00 on Friday May 31st had a life threatening health concern that caused him to pass out inside his apartment, his dogs barked long enough that neighbors alerted police who came and kicked his door down to perform CPR and rush him to the hospital. All the while the Mason asst AD and PA announcer were trying to contact him without success---it's now almost 4:45 and the PA person announced that the scoreboard would not be on, but the score and outs would be announced multiple times in the inning. Final score was 2-0 Badin over Jonathan Alder---here's what the scoreboard would've looked like:


Visitors-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 ---0
Home- 0 0 0 0 0 2 X ---2

It turned out the young man (scoreboard operator) was transported to the hospital and remained there for 8 days recovering from his very scary event----his Father alerted Mason AD Scott Stemple at 10;00PM that his son was in the hospital and he'd have more information moving forward. The Mason hosts did all they could with a game beginning at 5:00 with the workers they had available at that moment in time. No school in the state has "back-up scoreboard workers" in the job description. Even long-time Mason AD Rod Russell was in the press box, but did not know how to do this particular scoreboard. The easy thing was that 2 runs were scored the entire game, so it was pretty simple math to perform for most fans---and the PA announcing the score at least 25 times during the pitchers duel.

Thank goodness our very dedicated scoreboard operator (who does multiple sports for Mason sports) survived and enjoyed his baseball Comets becoming D1 State Champs!!
 
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This has become totally blown out of proportion about "Mason is a bad host since no scoreboard"----the young man who does the scoreboard duties for Mason baseball (over 50 games this spring, as well as at least the past 5-7 years) at 3:00 on Friday May 31st had a life threatening health concern that caused him to pass out inside his apartment, his dogs barked long enough that neighbors alerted police who came and kicked his door down to perform CPR and rush him to the hospital. All the while the Mason asst AD and PA announcer were trying to contact him without success---it's now almost 4:45 and the PA person announced that the scoreboard would not be on, but the score and outs would be announced multiple times in the inning. Final score was 2-0 Badin over Jonathan Alder---here's what the scoreboard would've looked like:


Visitors-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 ---0
Home- 0 0 0 0 0 2 X ---2

It turned out the young man (scoreboard operator) was transported to the hospital and remained there for 8 days recovering from his very scary event----his Father alerted Mason AD Scott Stemple at 10;00PM that his son was in the hospital and he'd have more information moving forward. The Mason hosts did all they could with a game beginning at 5:00 with the workers they had available at that moment in time. No school in the state has "back-up scoreboard workers" in the job description. Even long-time Mason AD Rod Russell was in the press box, but did not know how to do this particular scoreboard. The easy thing was that 2 runs were scored the entire game, so it was pretty simple math to perform for most fans---and the PA announcing the score at least 25 times during the pitchers duel.

Thank goodness our very dedicated scoreboard operator (who does multiple sports for Mason sports) survived and enjoyed his baseball Comets becoming D1 State Champs!!
Looks like some apologies are in order

Glad to hear the young man is doing well.
 
Yeah. The semifinal game Badin played vs Indian Hill had the scoreboard running. Yesterday did not. Pretty pathetic. On top of that, D2 was the only division not playing on college fields. Seating sucked and parking was ridiculous on Thursday when school was still in session.

I think I am the reason for the start of this, so let me be the first to amend my comment and say it was unfortunate that no scoreboard was ran for that game. However, knowing the situation, sounds like they did all they could to still run it. Glad to hear the person is doing well. Scary situation for sure. I'll still stand behind the rest of my comments on the venue.
 
Looks like some apologies are in order

Glad to hear the young man is doing well.
Now why would people do something like apologize. Obviously Mason should have had additional people who could run the scoreboard. I mean the nerve of them to not have at least a 10 backups for every possible scenario.

Please note sarcasm

In all seriousness, glad the young man is doing ok.
 
Looks like some apologies are in order

Glad to hear the young man is doing well.
Not really.
While prayers are with him and the family there was no one else willing and capable to run a scoreboard?

Not one person was blaming the individual who was to run it.....but instead the school who hosted it

At times when we host and also have a tourny game we need an alternate to run the board as the normal old timer goes to.the games.
 
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