y2h
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Says the guy who just labeled Michigan an underdog.
App St beating Michigan, now that was an example of an underdog.
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App St beating Michigan, now that was an example of an underdog.
wolves82
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Portnoy is such a tool.
He says "make the rivalry mean something again" when OSU leads the series 17-6 this century. UM has wins in 2000, 2003, 2011, 2021, 2022, 2023. They ducked OSU in 2020 when it was obvious that 8 straight losses would become 9. Then Stalions happened, and things magically got better for them. Wonder why that is?
The only game of the recent 3 they get credit for in my book is 2023. OSU knew about the cheating then and UM still handled them. Credit where credit is due.
But Portnoy is a clown, no matter the outcome of any games. He should be in jail for sexual harassing female employees.
Hammerdrill
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I see Dave thinks it will be interesting to see if Ohio State can beat them when they aren't cheating. lol, yeah winning 16 out of 20, and suddenly Ohio State has never beaten UM.
Yes. We are aware.
Imo? Nope. Too much experience for the others to overcome. I think Howard was the inevitable starter from the jump. If he struggles, that could change, but it's unlikely we would see a bad performance before Oregon because I doubt any of those early opponents are capable able of forcing it.
The back-up is a real competition tho. Very interesting. You have the more experienced guy who has had injuries and hasn't really shown that he is special vs the kid with special tools but you would probably have to live with more mistakes.
bob99
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If Michigan didn't have an unfair advantage in 2021 and 2022 do you really think Michigan would have fielded the same team in 2023? 9 starters for Michigan were 5th and 6th year starters. If Michigan didn't cheat and had the unnatural success they did in '21 and '22, those 9 players would have entered the draft and wouldn't have been there for '23.
It's an unknowable thing. But to your point, confidence comes from having a plan, executing it, and seeing it work.
From a player's perspective, they know the work they have put in, they know the scheme they have been taught, and they understand how well it has worked.
If they experience failure, that introduces doubt individually and collectively, and that dings their confidence in themselves, each other, their coaches, and the scheme. If it's all working and they experience success, a team goes from hoping they win to knowing they will win - and that level of belief helps them win because belief is a powerful tool.
If there is some advantage they don't know about that helped the scheme work, they can't factor that in because it wasn't part of what they experienced or were aware of.
TTUN was in a really bad place in 2020 with all that was going on that year and the previous 20 years. Confidence and belief could not have been very high at that point. Something drastically changed from the end of the 2020 season and the 2021 season. That team got a shot of confidence - and I would suspect there were multiple causes.
But if your OC/QB knows exactly what the defense is going to do and can check into the best play against it, and your defense knows simply run or pass, or especially if they know the route tree or what hole the ball is being run to and which side, and can check into the best coverage or DL/LB scheme/stunt against it, your off and def efficiency is going to go way up - and your confidence is going to rise with it.
That said, you still have to block, tackle, throw, catch, and, in general, execute.
So, the cheating helped with their efficiency and helped them acquire the kind of confidence championship teams have. To what extent the cheating contributed to those effects can't be known, but it was more than no help and less than the sole reason for it.
Hammerdrill
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That’s true, each year doesn’t happen in a vacuum.
wolves82
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That is speculation. Look at all the OSU kids that came back this year that we expected to go to the NFL. Is it because of "unnatural success"? Or because of the disappointment of last season? Clearly the latter.
I am obviously an OSU fan. But I can say for sure is that the UM roster handled OSU fairly well in 2023. Anything else is conjecture.
bob99
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Which shows what? Michigan had the best team they have had in decades. It was a down year for OSU. New QB who was found lacking playing behind an O-line that was below par. One of the weaker OSU teams overall. Yet OSU was a play away of taking down Michigan at Michigan. What was the difference from the last two years they played. I will give you a hint.
Stirred not Shaken
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I don't understand that narrative, OSU outgained TTUN and was driving for a go ahead score at the end. Difference in the game was turnovers, OSU's defensive inability to get off the field in the 4th qtr. and a missed FG. I don't think TTUN handled OSU fairly well last year, again OSU outgained SCUM.
In that picture, a guy with cards with the opponent’s signals on them standing right next to him … but Jimbo knew nothing … got it!
Stirred not Shaken
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harbaugh:
Maple_City_Fan
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Difference was OSU played a much cleaner game. Look at all 3 stat lines, and you'll see Uncle MCF was correct
bob99
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More importantly look at the final scores. What was the major difference in the final scores? I will give you a hint.
wolves82
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Can we move on please? Let the UM folks revel in their ill-gotten glory from last year. We can talk to them again in November when they have 3 or more losses.
Lets talk about the OSU season that is two weeks away. It should be an exciting year - the game in Eugene will be huge...
Lets talk about the OSU season that is two weeks away. It should be an exciting year - the game in Eugene will be huge...
Cedar_Point
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Actually with the expanded playoffs, it kinda makes the game in Oregon less important. Good chance they play each other again in the Big Ten title game, which is more important (bye)
Hammerdrill
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Yep, I’m headed to Eugene for the game. Should be pretty awesome.
Hammerdrill
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Yep, while losing out there will suc, winning the rematch is more important.
Hammerdrill
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If the defense is legitimate, we should win at Oregon. It’s possible our offense might not be in full stride, but the defense should not have the same issues.
irish_buffalo
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That is really cool. Should be an amazing game (and experience). I give OSU a slight early edge but they are really close by most metrics.
nwwarrior09
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From coaches’ comments the other day, IMO it sounds like it will be Tegra over Hinzmann at RG as the 5th starter on the OL.
y2h
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It's a huge game for potential seeding.
Cedar_Point
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Cedar_Point
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Chip Kelly and Brian Hartline got into at practice. Kelly called out the WRs for not blocking. Finally someone is holding the players and coaches accountable
Maple_City_Fan
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Results were regardless of Stallions.
To be honest, Michigan's best defensive game yardage wise was this past year. Ohio State averaged over 450 ypg in 21 and 22. Buckeyes just flat out self destructed at worst times, especially 22. And, Day is also too conservative during crunch time. That's against Michigan, Clemson, or Georgia. Instead of hiring PI's, Day has to look in the mirror to build a championship product. If not 24 will be disappointing as well