Maxpreps RPI to be used for Basketball Seeding

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MAXPREPS RPI TO BE USED FOR BASKETBALL SEEDING

The board approved a proposal from OHSAA staff to utilize a ratings percentage index (RPI) by MaxPreps for the purpose of seeding the girls and boys basketball district tournaments. The exact formula is being developed with input from the Ohio High School Basketball Coaches Association. Last season, the OHSAA Northwest District Athletic Board piloted an RPI formula to test the process of having RPI determine seeding instead of a vote by the coaches in the district. Schools will be required to enter scores into MaxPreps.


“The Northwest District piloted using an RPI last year and the process was successful,” said Ute. “The coaches association has wanted to use an RPI for seeding for some time and we are working with them and MaxPreps on the formula now. This will take some work and our schools will need to input scores, but we are pleased to move in this direction for seeding.”
 
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Doublehelix

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I like this idea better than the current format.

I assume this means you play whoever the seeds say you play, and the "draw" becomes a moot point?
 
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bucksman

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Doublehelix said:
I like this idea better than the current format.

I assume this means you play whoever the seeds say you play, and the "draw" becomes a moot point?
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I think that is incorrect. The RPI will be used to determine the seed order, but teams will still have the right to pick their line. That would have to be a separate change, from the state and/or district level.
 
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419Jester

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I really hope they don’t get rid of the picking of your playoff games. In northwest districts Martin RPI determined seeding but teams were still allowed to pick where they want to be at on the lines. I hope they keep that.
 
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Doublehelix

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I understand why they do it, but I don't like how un-even some of the brackets get by dodging the dominant teams.

They make the best team's path 100x easier because everyone does everything in their power to avoid them. Compared to something like an NCAA bracket, where you play who you play based on the seeds.

For example, Centerville didn't have a competitive game within 35 points until the Regional Semis, and in essence, only had to play a 4 game tournament. Same with Moeller multiple years when they had their runs.
 
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419Jester

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Doublehelix said:
I understand why they do it, but I don't like how un-even some of the brackets get by dodging the dominant teams.

They make the best team's path 100x easier because everyone does everything in their power to avoid them. Compared to something like an NCAA bracket, where you play who you play based on the seeds.

For example, Centerville didn't have a competitive game within 35 points until the Regional Semis, and in essence, only had to play a 4 game tournament. Same with Moeller multiple years when they had their runs.
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It’s not perfect but as a former coach majority of us loved that day. Got to pick lines and apply strategy. It’s never going to be perfect.
 
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spirit454

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I like the idea of the auto seeding but also like the idea of a district being area based. Seeding 20+ teams and being able to select what district you go is a let down for me. I think a team should win their area before moving. Even if two of the top teams in the state are in the same district, it would be a heck of a district final.
 
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I hope Max Preps does a better job of updating and accuracy of scores and records of teams. Than they have done in the past. Are they going to make any tweaks to the formula that Martin RPI used last year in the northwest district?
 
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419Jester

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Big Lex Fan said:
I hope Max Preps does a better job of updating and accuracy of scores and records of teams. Than they have done in the past. Are they going to make any tweaks to the formula that Martin RPI used last year in the northwest district?
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Hopefully the formula is better than last year. Last year the rankings had Tiffin Columbian as a 2 seed and close to the one seed smh. Have to find that bug and fix it. To be honest though, that might have been the only problem with the Martin RPI last year.
 
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CleveHoopFan08

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Big Lex Fan said:
I hope Max Preps does a better job of updating and accuracy of scores and records of teams. Than they have done in the past. Are they going to make any tweaks to the formula that Martin RPI used last year in the northwest district?
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Rest assured they won't. They will continue to miss scores and have inaccurate schedules.
 
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goshengophers

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The schools are required to input scores to MaxPreps. The OHSAA and coaches association are supposed to work on the formula. MaxPreps is doing nothing except providing the software and website.
 
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spirit454

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goshengophers said:
The schools are required to input scores to MaxPreps. The OHSAA and coaches association are supposed to work on the formula. MaxPreps is doing nothing except providing the software and website.
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When will this be announced and who will be required to do this?
 
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SWOHHoops

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Hback said:
I assume the head coach or athletic director.

I did it for years and it was quite easy. Maxpreps was/is a great place to digitally store and host all of your statistics and gave a chance to promote your athletes.
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In SWOH every league has their own site where that is accomplished. Non-scientific analysis, but I would guess less than 50% of SWOH teams have had accurate schedules and results in MP over the last five years. So many games missing and games entered multiple times.

Also, we are going to this because many think coaches are too shady to vote honestly, so who is going to stop a shady coach from removing a result that hurts their team? Or just not entering results? Or entering a positive result twice? I am on record as hating the idea of an RPI for seeding, but at least the Martin guy had proven he can accurately collect all data and he was responsible for the entry and accuracy of all data. While I personally didn't like using Martin, the OHSAA did him dirty using his hard work to reward their partner.
 
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Hback

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SWOHHoops said:
In SWOH every league has their own site where that is accomplished. Non-scientific analysis, but I would guess less than 50% of SWOH teams have had accurate schedules and results in MP over the last five years. So many games missing and games entered multiple times.

Also, we are going to this because many think coaches are too shady to vote honestly, so who is going to stop a shady coach from removing a result that hurts their team? Or just not entering results? Or entering a positive result twice? I am on record as hating the idea of an RPI for seeding, but at least the Martin guy had proven he can accurately collect all data and he was responsible for the entry and accuracy of all data. While I personally didn't like using Martin, the OHSAA did him dirty using his hard work to reward their partner.
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Again, assuming here, but I’d guess there would be some policing especially since it is viewable and accessible by the public. If there’s a wrong entry/result - report it and it gets corrected.

There’s likely bigger issues if a coach or AD is purposefully entering incorrect results.
 
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Hback

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SWOHHoops said:
In SWOH every league has their own site where that is accomplished. Non-scientific analysis, but I would guess less than 50% of SWOH teams have had accurate schedules and results in MP over the last five years. So many games missing and games entered multiple times.

Also, we are going to this because many think coaches are too shady to vote honestly, so who is going to stop a shady coach from removing a result that hurts their team? Or just not entering results? Or entering a positive result twice? I am on record as hating the idea of an RPI for seeding, but at least the Martin guy had proven he can accurately collect all data and he was responsible for the entry and accuracy of all data. While I personally didn't like using Martin, the OHSAA did him dirty using his hard work to reward their partner.
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I do love the conference websites and schedules/statistics that a lot of the SWOH conferences employ. Wish that would make its way to NWO.
 
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Caleb

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Yappi said:
MAXPREPS RPI TO BE USED FOR BASKETBALL SEEDING

The board approved a proposal from OHSAA staff to utilize a ratings percentage index (RPI) by MaxPreps for the purpose of seeding the girls and boys basketball district tournaments. The exact formula is being developed with input from the Ohio High School Basketball Coaches Association. Last season, the OHSAA Northwest District Athletic Board piloted an RPI formula to test the process of having RPI determine seeding instead of a vote by the coaches in the district. Schools will be required to enter scores into MaxPreps.


“The Northwest District piloted using an RPI last year and the process was successful,” said Ute. “The coaches association has wanted to use an RPI for seeding for some time and we are working with them and MaxPreps on the formula now. This will take some work and our schools will need to input scores, but we are pleased to move in this direction for seeding.”
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Call me an old foggy but something doesn't seem right doing it this way.
 
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SWOHHoops

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Caleb said:
Call me an old foggy but something doesn't seem right doing it this way.
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What really irks me the most is the press release says the NW used "an RPI" that was successful last year but the creator is not credited or included in the development of the one they will use. Incredibly shameless! I didn't always agree with his RPI, but feel awful for Martin.
 
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spirit454

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Hback said:
I assume the head coach or athletic director.

I did it for years and it was quite easy. Maxpreps was/is a great place to digitally store and host all of your statistics and gave a chance to promote your athletes.
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You assume it has been told to coaches and ADs they will report scores OR you assume it will be told to coaches and ADs they have to report? The Martin RPI had a system that collected to scores from Arbiter I believe.

Maxprep is a joke and rarely has correct information about teams.
 
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aztecjim

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Add me to the list of people that like the idea of a computer based ranking system but also agree MaxPreps should not be the foundation.
 
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Hback

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spirit454 said:
You assume it has been told to coaches and ADs they will report scores OR you assume it will be told to coaches and ADs they have to report? The Martin RPI had a system that collected to scores from Arbiter I believe.

Maxprep is a joke and rarely has correct information about teams.
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Either
 
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Hback

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Talk with your volleyball coach. From my understanding, volleyball coaches the last few years have been responsible for uploading statistics to Maxpreps as that is what they rely on for individual player voting (all-Ohio, all-district, etc.)

So again, my assumption is that coaches (or ADs) will be responsible for uploading correct scores and confirming what is entered.
 
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Philly_Cat

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Cerck12 said:
Max Preps has historically done a terrible job with accurate score reporting for Ohio High School Basketball. I hope that changes with them being awarded this.
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No one has ever neen obligated to give them their game score or stats either. Relying on having to find your own information and people volunteering it to you is a huge difference between people being obligated to submit it all to you.
 
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Cerck12

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Philly_Cat said:
No one has ever been obligated to give them their game score or stats either. Relying on having to find your own information and people volunteering it to you is a huge difference between people being obligated to submit it all to you.
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Great point, this will be interesting. I personally liked Martin RPI for their first year they did a really good job.
 
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