Mar-A-Lago raided by the FBI

CatAlum said:
Hmmm...

You think the judge signs the warrant and it stops there? Following the search warrant, there is this thing...the legal process...where defense attorneys are given the warrant and the affidavit that convinced the judge to sign the warrant. Let's try to imagine what happens if the information in the affidavit turns out to be false...in drug (and other cases), there's a hearing, called a Motion to Suppress, where mostly constitutional issues are explored about whether or not a search was legal.

Imagine an FBI agent (ESPECIALLY IN THIS CASE)...some individual agent has to affix his/her name to an affidavit to search the home of the former President. What do you think the chances are that the FBI agent puts false information into that affidavit?
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You're a lawyer and being political. Fisa court ring any bells? Embarrassing
 
utsherman said:
So the Federal Magistrate who signed off on the warrant was appointed by Trump in 2018. You can't make this shiz up. Lol.
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Leftist. Chris Wray Leftist.

Would not be surprised that this will ends up being the biggest no brainier warrant is the history of warrants.
 
www.usatoday.com

Biden was ‘not aware’ of FBI search on Trump’s Mar-a-Lago before it was conducted, White House says

President Joe Biden was \
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President Joe Biden was not informed before the FBI search on former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate, the White House said Tuesday.

"No, the president was not briefed, was not aware of it,” White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said at a press briefing. “No one at the White House was given a heads up.”


"That's up for the Department of Justice to decide,” Jean-Pierre said. “When it comes to the criminal investigation, it is independent and they make that decision.”

"The President believes in the rule of law," she added. "The President believes in the independence of the Department of Justice."





That's a new perspective from the oval office.
 
IVCguy said:
Never in my wildest dreams would I think the Left would use the Presidential Records Act and the office of the national archivist for a political fight - but here we are. Lol

Leftist truth is stranger than science fiction.
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Many people have been investigated, and charged, over improper handling of classified documents. National security risk. Especially at the home of someone who can't be trusted with classified documents and national security and under investigation himself. Pubs suddenly have never heard of anything like this before, Lol.

Maybe he'll get off like Hillary. Then again it did cost her the election. Seems fitting in a way, no? Getting busted for behavior you previously pretended to be outraged about. C'mon that's funny. Karma perhaps. :)
 
19AL63 said:
Were there any pillows on the mattresses they should have tags too!!!!!
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That will be revealed when Schiffty' January 6th TV Show airs again in September....That's the hook to get all the Leftists to tune in.....it's sweeps season don't ya' know!
 
ProV1 said:
The predicate was simple. He took stuff that he legally could not take. He was not returning it despite their previous requests and legal actions. As such, they executed a warrant to go get what was not his. Basic law enforcement that even an ex-president is subject to.
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Just like every ex president in history.

When is the raid on Obamas house?
 
ProV1 said:
This thread is a good example of that. Cultists losing their minds and threatening civil war because the FBI did the exact same thing they did with Hillary. Except this time, it's not your She Devil. It's you God King
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They raided Clinton's house?
 
ProV1 said:
Chris Wray led this effort. It was simply approved by the DOJ and a federal judge. Having classified documents returned to where the law says they should be is not political. It is the law. Just like when Hillary used a private email account. Those records were also subpoenaed. Doubt you had a problem with the Fed's getting hold of her email server.
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And got off scot free despite destroying evidence. Meanwhile the FBI is conducting raids against Trump. And you wonder why there is a perception of two tiered justice.
 
hubman said:
Biden just had his best week in the oval office, this couldn't have come at a worse time for him. Anybody knows that the Right would react this way and claim victimhood and take headlines away from recent legislative victories.
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What you call victories the American public call getting screwed.
 
www.theguardian.com

Photos suggest Trump blocked toilets with ripped-up White House documents

Images published ahead of new book on 45th presidency offer possible evidence of violations of Presidential Records Act
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news.yahoo.com

Toilet photos undercut Trump claim he never tried to flush presidential records

New York Times reporter Maggie Haberman released photos on Monday that appear to show that former President Donald Trump did indeed try to dispose of documents by ripping them up and placing them in toilets.
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redskinfan04 said:
A federal judge has to grant a search warrant so ??‍♂️.
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Like the federal judge that signed off on the Carter Page warrant (based on fraudulent information supplied by the FBI), which allowed Trump's political enemies to illegally spy on an innocent American and spawned the Russia hoax? That kind of federal judge?
 
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IVCguy said:
Yes, when they do something this stupid and divisive, they must show why it is not stupid or this divisive - unless the intent was to provoke in the first place.

There are general ways to describe things that leave out names and details, but that still identifies the basis you acted on. Then, later, when the details are known, we can judge whether the explanation was true or not.

It's interesting to me that you just assume that this admin, FBI, and DOJ have a shred of credibility when they have revealed themselves to have none with a huge segment of this country. That lack of credibility is why they should not have done this, and why if there is a reasonable justification for doing it, they have to share it. Or, they can tear this country apart and cause violence - which you apparently want or blindly and stupidly can't see the possibility of.
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IVCguy said:
Yes, when they do something this stupid and divisive, they must show why it is not stupid or this divisive - unless the intent was to provoke in the first place.

There are general ways to describe things that leave out names and details, but that still identifies the basis you acted on. Then, later, when the details are known, we can judge whether the explanation was true or not.

It's interesting to me that you just assume that this admin, FBI, and DOJ have a shred of credibility when they have revealed themselves to have none with a huge segment of this country. That lack of credibility is why they should not have done this, and why if there is a reasonable justification for doing it, they have to share it. Or, they can tear this country apart and cause violence - which you apparently want or blindly and stupidly can't see the possibility of.
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So because the FBI, DOJ and company gave “no credibility” to part of the country. They should have let Trump walk? Wouldn’t this be the exact type of behavior you believe is being done to conservatives.


Qcity said:
Like the federal judge that signed off on the Carter Page warrant (based on fraudulent information supplied by the FBI), which allowed Trump's political enemies to illegally spy on an innocent American and spawned the Russia hoax? That kind of federal judge?
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There is in fact a difference between a FISA court and a district court. Namely the burden of proof requires. FISA court has low standards.
 
Orin Swift said:
It’s not that surprising. No one remotely close to the Democrat Party wants a wound up MAGA base because it potentially brings Donald back into the Oval Office.
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Interestingly, I think the Democrats are playing a dangerous game. They want Trump to be powerful enough to win the primary but weak enough to lose in the General election. They are on the record supporting Republican candidates in primaries that they think they will be able to defeat in the General election. IMO, that is election fraud but a topic for another thread.

Trump should be quietly fading away even with his enormous appeal to many voters. It is the Democrats that are keeping him relevant.

When the time comes and Trump is the Republican candidate, just look back at the decisions the Democrats made to make it possible. If, and that is a big if, Donald Trump wins the General Election, it will be the Democrats that made it all possible. Of course, it will divide the nation even more and the Democrats will put on their best "Who, Me?" face.
 
y2h said:
And got off scot free despite destroying evidence. Meanwhile the FBI is conducting raids against Trump. And you wonder why there is a perception of two tiered justice.
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First, I am confident that Trump will get off on this too. They were simply retrieving documents that were illegally in his procession. Second, they basically did do the same to Hillary. They confiscated her email server. They cant exactly confiscate Mar Lago so they just showed up and grabbed what was inside. Same thing and totally equal justice.
 
ProV1 said:
I know you all missed me during my sabbatical, and I think this a great time to take a break from my break because this thread is void of facts and rationale thought especially when it comes to Hilliary references.

What is similar: Hillary did not comply with Federal and State department policies relating to her use of a private email account. Trump has obviously not complied with Federal policies when he took or stole documents that were not his for the taking. In the case of Hillary, the DOJ and FBI requested her email. She gave them some but not all because she claimed many were her personal emails (those that had no reference to government business were deleted). This is obviously not cool and law enforcement took legal action through subpoenas of things like servers and recipient emails to recover what they requested. All told, they recovered over 30,000 emails and determined that around 100 contained references to classified material. In the case of Trump, the documents he took have also been subpoenaed and just like Hilliary, he returned some and not the bulk of what was requested. Since Trump has largely blown this off, law enforcement knowing exactly what he has , where it is, and how it is secured, got a warrant to go get what was not his to take. Pretty much the same thing they did with Hillary.

What is different: Hillary never took classified documents. What she did is improperly communicate about classified stuff with a personal email account. Per above, it was found that occurred in 100 of the 30,000+ emails. Was this against policy and the law? Yes and probably. Why was she not prosecuted? Because she claimed that she did not realize some of the references were marked classified and that almost all Secretaries of State before her had used private email, as well. It was a rat hole the DOJ did not want to go down. Trump has actually taken and likely destroyed classified documents. What is gone will not likely ever be recovered because it is not on a server and there is not a recipient to the email as with Hillary. Whether you believe Hillary or not, she claimed her actions were not purposeful. It is impossible for Trump to make the same claim, credibly. He knew what he had, destroyed some of it, and has continually refused to turn over what was lawfully requested of him. As such, they just went in and took it. If they recovered stuff that he is allowed to have, it will be returned.

What will likely happen: Nothing. Just like Hillary. They went and got the stuff they asked for. My guess is that Trump will never be prosecuted for this but the DOJ will complete the investigation just as they did with Hillary. Trumps legal peril is tied to January 6th, not his stealing of classified documents.
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Welcome back, we have the trump cult on the run on here now. Unfortunately, most of them will not read what you wrote because they would not recognize the truth anymore because they are in a cult.
 
Yappi said:
Interestingly, I think the Democrats are playing a dangerous game. They want Trump to be powerful enough to win the primary but weak enough to lose in the General election. They are on the record supporting Republican candidates in primaries that they think they will be able to defeat in the General election. IMO, that is election fraud but a topic for another thread.

Trump should be quietly fading away even with his enormous appeal to many voters. It is the Democrats that are keeping him relevant.

When the time comes and Trump is the Republican candidate, just look back at the decisions the Democrats made to make it possible. If, and that is a big if, Donald Trump wins the General Election, it will be the Democrats that made it all possible. Of course, it will divide the nation even more and the Democrats will put on their best "Who, Me?" face.
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This whole operation was signed off on by Republican (as in Trump) appointees, the judge, the attorney and the FBI director. Democrats had nothing to do with this.
 
Redandgold said:
Beyond ignorant. Did your leader take classified documents home with him or not? That is clearly against the law. Why do you think that Trump doesn’t have to follow the law? How effing stupid is that? The jackass is a proven criminal. The FBI investigated Clinton when she was in trouble with her phone. Why should Trump be any different? He even admitted to taking things from the White House and returned several boxes months ago. Evidently he didn’t return everything. Trump doesn’t seem to understand what classified even means. He took Russians into the Oval Office for private discussions without any witnesses. He bragged loudly at Mar-a-Lago to dinner guests about his North Korean dealings. He doesn’t get it. He flushed notes (documents) down White House toilets. He must be watched over like a child.
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So why no raid on Obama or every other president. Obama took a hell of a lot more than Trump then and was even caught destroying many yes classified. He hid them and sealed them and still has them, why no raid, it was by far much worse than anything Trump has been accused of?
 
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