Latest Human Rankings 12/20/07

MNW has the most #1 rankings

ST X played the toughest schedule but had the 2 closest near-losses

DLS outscored its opponents 392-28 in the first half and won the largest division championship in the largest state
 
consumerman said:
DLS can claim to have won the biggest division championship in the largest state

DLS can claim to outscoring its opponents 392-28 in the first half

DLS never trailed by 24-13 to anyone, let alone a 2 loss team

DLS never took 3 overtimes to beat an unranked team

DLS never had a slim 3 point lead with the opponent within 1 play from less than 20 yards to score

DLS never scored as few as 10 points a game (or 17)
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Playing on the Cupcake Tour can make anyone look good.

Oh, and the disingenuousness of saying "the biggest division championship in the largest state" is galactic in its enormity. The Alaska big school champ would be more honest and genuine in making such a statement. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
 
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DLS a la MNW vs SLC took a knee inside the 5 yard line in their 6 point victory

St X hung on for dear life in two games they won by three

notice the ST x backers can never explain away two three point wins they came very close to losing
and did not take a knee in those games except after the game when they thanked the lord for their lucky wins
 
concha said:
Playing on the Cupcake Tour can make anyone look good.

Oh, and the disingenuousness of saying "the biggest division championship in the largest state" is galactic in its enormity. The Alaska big school champ would be more honest and genuine in making such a statement. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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St. X would not have beaten SLC in TX in my opinion. MNW did. I just don't see St. X matching up well with MNW. I think they lose. That is why I would rank MNW higher than St. X.
 
consumerman said:
DLS can claim to have won the biggest division championship in the largest state

Yes they can. I can claim to be Santa Claus of my household.

DLS can claim to outscoring its opponents 392-28 in the first half

In most states they play two halves. But being the largest state I guess that is how you compensate by playing 24 minute games.

DLS never trailed by 24-13 to anyone, let alone a 2 loss team

I checked Texas High - They never did either. They trailed in some games and lost but never by 21-13.

DLS never took 3 overtimes to beat an unranked team

Define unranked. Calpreps ranks everyone and they are your standard.

DLS never had a slim 3 point lead with the opponent within 1 play from less than 20 yards to score

Wow

DLS never scored as few as 10 points a game (or 17)
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And they never played SLC
 
My rankings

1 - MNW
2 - Booker T
3 - Katy
4 X and DLS pretty even

Down the list at 142 is Southlake Carroll. There little run is over.
 
WoodyHayes said:
1 - MNW
2 - Booker T
3 - Katy
4 X and DLS pretty even

Down the list at 142 is Southlake Carroll. There little run is over.
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1. MNW
2. ST X
3. DLS
4. Katy
5. Havent seen BTW so I cant rank them higher

4 team tourney
#1 MNW vs #4 Katy
MNW 30-21
#2 ST X vs #3 DLS
ST X 21-20

#1 MNW vs #2 ST X
MNW 21 ST X 16
 
It appears that ESPN will put Katy #1 in their final ranking.

http://katytimes.com/articles/2007/12/22/sports/00state.txt

If everything else stays the same (which may not happen) that will result in the following from the human polls.

MNW - 3 #1 rankings
StX - 2 #1 rankings
Katy - 1 #1 ranking

On the other hand, the article about Katy as #1 may be hearsay because ESPN would have to leap frog them over a couple of teams. We'll see in a couple of days.
 
SLCDad said:
It appears that ESPN will put Katy #1 in their final ranking.

http://katytimes.com/articles/2007/12/22/sports/00state.txt

If everything else stays the same (which may not happen) that will result in the following from the human polls.

MNW - 3 #1 rankings
StX - 2 #1 rankings
Katy - 1 #1 ranking

On the other hand, the article about Katy as #1 may be hearsay because ESPN would have to leap frog them over a couple of teams. We'll see in a couple of days.
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Well if you look at it like this

Abilene beats Southlake Carroll
Pflugerville beats Abilene
Katy beats Pflugerville by 21

MNW is most likely about 14 points better than SLC and I think Katy is too.
ST. X is right up there as well although I believe ST.X vs SLC is a toss up game with the winner being the home team.

My personal belief is that it should be

MNW
ST. X
Katy
DLS
Booker T Washington
 
RidgePride said:
Well if you look at it like this

Abilene beats Southlake Carroll
Pflugerville beats Abilene
Katy beats Pflugerville by 21

MNW is most likely about 14 points better than SLC and I think Katy is too.
ST. X is right up there as well although I believe ST.X vs SLC is a toss up game with the winner being the home team.

My personal belief is that it should be

MNW
ST. X
Katy
DLS
Booker T Washington
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I'm not sure what your point is, but I will say that SLC beats Abilene by 21-28 points if Riley Dodge stays in the game. SLC vs. Katy would have been a great game. However, Riley got knocked out of the game and Abilene deserved to win fair and square.
 
SLCDad said:
I'm not sure what your point is, but I will say that SLC beats Abilene by 21-28 points if Riley Dodge stays in the game. SLC vs. Katy would have been a great game. However, Riley got knocked out of the game and Abilene deserved to win fair and square.
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The problem is SLC runs a wide open 4 wide reciever offense and that as I have quoted Bill Walsh numerous times leaves your QB vulnerable to injury

In both SLC losses, Dodge was beaten up and the wide open offense which works great against weaker teams was actually SLC's downfall as it could not protect Dodge

SLC deserved to lose not because RIley was unlucky to be injured but because their offense predisposed him to injury

Abilene won fair and square
 
consumerman said:
The problem is SLC runs a wide open 4 wide reciever offense and that as I have quoted Bill Walsh numerous times leaves your QB vulnerable to injury

In both SLC losses, Dodge was beaten up and the wide open offense which works great against weaker teams was actually SLC's downfall as it could not protect Dodge

SLC deserved to lose not because RIley was unlucky to be injured but because their offense predisposed him to injury.
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LOL Frankly, you have no clue. Give me a break. This post is so goofy I won't bother to refute it.
 
No Its Not

Actually it is a pretty technically sound post. Its obvious some here understand the x's and o's and some do not.
 
WoodyHayes said:
Actually it is a pretty technically sound post. Its obvious some here understand the x's and o's and some do not.
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May be true, but more often than not people try and put their own bias in them.

I would ask which offense predisposes a QB to more risk, a passing one or an option attack where the QB is likely to get hit on nearly every play as a ball carrier or decoy?
 
pied said:
May be true, but more often than not people try and put their own bias in them.

I would ask which offense predisposes a QB to more risk, a passing one or an option attack where the QB is likely to get hit on nearly every play as a ball carrier or decoy?
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Please note I "predicted" an injury to Dodge back in the early fall

a QB throwing the ball leaves himself vulnerable

an option QB that practices running every day knows and expects to get hit and how to absorb it, an option QB is vulnerable in pro fb, this is high school

a passing QB with tight ends and 2 backs has much better protection than a wide open 4 wide receiver 1 back passing offense

ask bill walsh
 
consumerman said:
Please note I "predicted" an injury to Dodge back in the early fall

a QB throwing the ball leaves himself vulnerable

an option QB that practices running every day knows and expects to get hit and how to absorb it, an option QB is vulnerable in pro fb, this is high school

a passing QB with tight ends and 2 backs has much better protection than a wide open 4 wide receiver 1 back passing offense

ask bill walsh
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Bill Walsh is dead. Unless you know a medium I'll have a hard time asking him.

Any guess on how many yards/TD's RD has scored? I think the point has some validity, but also is a reach by a guy who simply hates kids that play on a certain high school team.
 
pied said:
Bill Walsh is dead. Unless you know a medium I'll have a hard time asking him.

Any guess on how many yards/TD's RD has scored? I think the point has some validity, but also is a reach by a guy who simply hates kids that play on a certain high school team.
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read his books

you are wrong on the sercond point
 
I disagree on both points.

In both SLC losses, Dodge was beaten up and the wide open offense which works great against weaker teams was actually SLC's downfall as it could not protect Dodge
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Dodge was hit after he released the ball throwing a TD. He has run for 2,000 yards and 20+ TD's in two years. He was not "beaten up" in the game against Abilene. It is a play that happens in every game. He landed wrong and seperated his shoulder.

When DLS played ECA, who started and ended at QB? How did he get hurt? Was it the system, or just what happens in football?

As far as hating players who simply play for the wrong team, I would refer to your comment regarding Tre Newton being a "drug user like his dad no doubt" as exhibit A.
 
pied said:
I disagree on both points.



Dodge was hit after he released the ball throwing a TD. He has run for 2,000 yards and 20+ TD's in two years. He was not "beaten up" in the game against Abilene. It is a play that happens in every game. He landed wrong and seperated his shoulder.

When DLS played ECA, who started and ended at QB? How did he get hurt? Was it the system, or just what happens in football?

As far as hating players who simply play for the wrong team, I would refer to your comment regarding Tre Newton being a "drug user like his dad no doubt" as exhibit A.
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1) Riley got injured in a 4 wide receiver no pass protection offense, yes he threw a TD ... what is more important, throwing a TD or missing 3/4 of the game because he got injured passing from a no protection spread formation, who won the game?

2) Lopina's injury was a turf injury, he was not even hit ... shows how poor your knoweldge is

3) the quote for young Mr Newton was from Sept 2006 (15 months ago) and was a humorous attempt to ridicule those who were propping up the elder Mr. Newton as a model SLC citizen, I regret attaching the comment to the lad, I stand by making the comment about the father
 
consumerman said:
1) Riley got injured in a 4 wide receiver no pass protection offense, yes he threw a TD ... what is more important, throwing a TD or missing 3/4 of the game because he got injured passing from a no protection spread formation, who won the game?-Tre is an excellent blocker as well as receiver/rusher. Not sold that he is UT material, but the coaches do. I have seen enough QB's not running a spread go down on a hit after the throw to not get worked up over this one.

2) Lopina's injury was a turf injury, he was not even hit ... shows how poor your knoweldge is-So it was just what happens in football. Has a DLS QB ever gotten hit after throwing the ball? If so how did it happen?

3) the quote for young Mr Newton was from Sept 2006 (15 months ago) and was a humorous attempt to ridicule those who were propping up the elder Mr. Newton as a model SLC citizen, I regret attaching the comment to the lad, I stand by making the comment about the father
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I do not believe it was propping him up as a model citzen, rather a silly attempt to show how many former NFL players were in attendance. Either way, nice you regret, but I think it shows your contempt for everything associated with Southlake.
 
pied said:
I do not believe it was propping him up as a model citzen, rather a silly attempt to show how many former NFL players were in attendance. Either way, nice you regret, but I think it shows your contempt for everything associated with Southlake.
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you are wrong and uninformed
 
consumerman said:
you are wrong and uninformed
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True, your love for the town is well known. Here is the song you composed about the place...

i think frank sinatra sang the ultimate song about chicago, my kind of town
I think if he were alive today...

"my kind of town, south lake is
the dragons, south lake is

we love ourselves, south lake is
we have no crime, south lake is

we are rich, south lake is
our kids go to college, south lake is

we are the best football team in history (2004-2006), south lake is
we love the trinity coach, south lake is

most of all we have daditis, south lake is
the perfect city, south lake is My kiiiiiiiind of tooooooooooown

y'all
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Meant with the utmost respect I am sure....
 
I may be delirious, but I remember watching 1991 Permian on TV (probably in the state championship game), and I remember that the QB pitching to the RB and then blocking was a pretty standard play for them.

I don't think the QB was a huge key to their offense. It seemed like if something happened to him they'd just send in another one and be fine.

It made sense that at the high school level you don't automatically treat your QB like he's Joe Montana. Unless he's really good and if he goes down you're done.

Of course, I might have dreamed the whole thing.

They finished USA Today #2, by the way, and moved up about 15 or 20 spots the last five or six weeks, I think.
 
SLCDad said:
It appears that ESPN will put Katy #1 in their final ranking.

http://katytimes.com/articles/2007/12/22/sports/00state.txt

If everything else stays the same (which may not happen) that will result in the following from the human polls.

MNW - 3 #1 rankings
StX - 2 #1 rankings
Katy - 1 #1 ranking

On the other hand, the article about Katy as #1 may be hearsay because ESPN would have to leap frog them over a couple of teams. We'll see in a couple of days.
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wrong.
 
concha said:
USA Today really hammered X for the Iggy result, despite the new QB.

Prattville hasn't played as tough a schedule and has had a close call or two also (ex. 10-7 versus Opelika with no effect on their ranking).

Katy has been winning very impressively, but they really haven't faced what you'd expect to see in Texas 5A. Their best competitor so far has been Madison. That said, only one team has really even kept it reasonably close with them all year. They've looked like a machine.

It will be interesting to see what happens with DLS after the Centennial game, but I don't see USA Today dropping them down at all.
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Shows what you know.. I've seen Katy play in nearly every game, this post-season... the toughest team (by far) they faced was Pasadena Memorial. Pflugerville was 2nd, in my opinion.
 
consumerman said:
curious that MV isnt a decent team (I agree) but they BEAT a socalled GCL playoff power

curious that a 6 point win to a national top ten is a game "nearly lost"

so what dois that make a 3 point 3 overtime win over an unranked team>>


CHOKE CITY?
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so called power??? I don't think anybody would call Moe a "power" anymore. and I would imagine a 3 point 3 overtime win over a rival would be as near a loss as the six point win. the other team scores a touchdown in either and they win.

consumerman said:
DLS can claim to have won the biggest division championship in the largest state

DLS can claim to outscoring its opponents 392-28 in the first half

DLS never trailed by 24-13 to anyone, let alone a 2 loss team

DLS never took 3 overtimes to beat an unranked team

DLS never had a slim 3 point lead with the opponent within 1 play from less than 20 yards to score

DLS never scored as few as 10 points a game (or 17)
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1) State Champs. 2) I love how you use the 392-28 in the first half stat ALL THE TIME. The only stat you use actually...What was DLS's opponents record? 3) True, but that two loss team was a state champion as well. 4) True, but I don't think DLS travelled to Cleveland to play The Jesuit Bowl in 30+ mph winds with a sophomore quarterback making his first start. 5) That opponent was 13-0 and had the most potent offense in the state. I believe four D-I signees. Also Massa, played worse in this game than he did against Iggy. 6) Specht's offenses are known for being conservative, ball protection/time consuming offenses. If you knew anything about X, you would know that Specht has absolutely no qualms about putting a game in the hands of his defense.


Oh, and State Champs.

:Party: :Party: :Party: :Party: :Party: :Party:
 
consumerman said:
Please note I "predicted" an injury to Dodge back in the early fall

a QB throwing the ball leaves himself vulnerable

an option QB that practices running every day knows and expects to get hit and how to absorb it, an option QB is vulnerable in pro fb, this is high school

a passing QB with tight ends and 2 backs has much better protection than a wide open 4 wide receiver 1 back passing offense

ask bill walsh
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MNW runs the same 4 wide system. How come Harris did not get injured. The QB from ST. X got injured in a more traditional system. I would bet the percentages are very close for QB injuries in a spread offense vs a traditional set in HIGH SCHOOL.

In Professional football, as I am sure Bill Walsh was referring to, I bet a QB would be more likely for injury.

Give it up you are really reaching - --
 
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