Latest Human Rankings 12/20/07

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With one week to go before all states are finished, here is the latest summary of the human national polls.

School cnnsi espn prepnation risemag studentsports usatoday Ave Rank
1 Northwestern (Miami, FL) 1 1 2 2 1 1 1.3
2 St. Xavier (Cincinnati, OH) 2 2 1 1 2 5 2.2
3 Katy (TX) 4 5 3 3 4 4 3.8
4 Prattville (AL) 8 9 4 10 5 2 6.3
4 De La Salle (Concord, CA) 11 8 5 5 6 3 6.3
6 Washington (Miami, FL) 6 4 8 6 10 8 7.0
7 Central Catholic (Pittsburgh, PA) 14 11 20 9 7 11 12.0
8 Don Bosco Prep (Ramsey, NJ) 9 12 21 13 12 12 13.2
9 Birmingham (Van Nuys, CA) 13 19 13 15 19 17 16.0
10 Centennial (Corona, CA) 21 15 11 21 18 14 16.7
11 Poly (Long Beach, CA) 19 18 14 17 20 23 18.5
12 Westfield (Chantilly, VA) 20 24 15 16 13 25 18.8

Miami Northwestern is #1 in 4 rankings. St. Xavier is #1 in 2 rankings.

MNW, StX and Katy are the only teams ranked in the top 5 in every human poll.
 
 
USA Today really hammered X for the Iggy result, despite the new QB.

Prattville hasn't played as tough a schedule and has had a close call or two also (ex. 10-7 versus Opelika with no effect on their ranking).

Katy has been winning very impressively, but they really haven't faced what you'd expect to see in Texas 5A. Their best competitor so far has been Madison. That said, only one team has really even kept it reasonably close with them all year. They've looked like a machine.

It will be interesting to see what happens with DLS after the Centennial game, but I don't see USA Today dropping them down at all.
 
consumerman said:
DLS shows the only victory against a top ten team from those cumulative rankings
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Centennial isn't a top ten in any national poll. DLS played one team even remotely close to these rankings and nearly lost. What happens if they actually had to play several such teams?

X has played and beaten at least four teams listed in the calpreps poll compilation. Not to mention crush Centerville, who took highly ranked Byrnes to OT, and crush Elder, who snapped ranked Independence's streak.
 
lancer1997 said:
Interesting how? Corona was nationally ranked in most polls.
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Mainly based on what happened with PrepNation.

Centennial is very good, but to be honest I'm surprised they've stayed as high as they are. After a couple of quality early wins to move them up the polls (Dominguez, Crespi), they then lost to MD and didn't really beat anyone of note or reknown after that. They never beat a team that finished with fewer than 3 losses.

I certainly wouldn't have them anywhere near the top ten.
 
I agree, why is centennial even in this, let alone in the top ten? They have two losses. 1 to a top ten team and 1 to a team not ranked in the top 25.

yet Colerain and Dublin Coffman are nowhere to be seen in most of the rankings, let alone top ten,.. despite the fact that these teams only lost one game all season to a top 5 team.

I am not lobbying for a national ranking for Colerain or Dublin Coffman because their seasons are over, but when you have a two loss team in the top 25, it doesn't seem right.
 
coletrain06 said:
I agree, why is centennial even in this, let alone in the top ten? They have two losses. 1 to a top ten team and 1 to a team not ranked in the top 25.

yet Colerain and Dublin Coffman are nowhere to be seen in most of the rankings, let alone top ten,.. despite the fact that these teams only lost one game all season to a top 5 team.

I am not lobbying for a national ranking for Colerain or Dublin Coffman because their seasons are over, but when you have a two loss team in the top 25, it doesn't seem right.
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If they had wins over highly ranked teams it would make more sense, but the best they've got is an early win over regionally ranked Crespi. They've dropped two games since then. Whatever.
 
DLS led Centennial at one point 31-7 and after surviving a Halloween 12 minutes, came back with the game on the line and drove for the go ahead score and then had 2 stops and won by 6 points

St X never led St Iggy by 24 points and escaped with a 3 point 3 overtime win

St X never led in the semis 31-7 and escaped with a 3 point win 10-7 when the other team had the ball deep inside St X territory and just needed a few more seconds to pull out the win

Neither St Iggy or the semifinal opponent have ever been or are currently ranked near Centennial
 
coletrain06 said:
I agree, why is centennial even in this, let alone in the top ten? They have two losses. 1 to a top ten team and 1 to a team not ranked in the top 25.

yet Colerain and Dublin Coffman are nowhere to be seen in most of the rankings, let alone top ten,.. despite the fact that these teams only lost one game all season to a top 5 team.

I am not lobbying for a national ranking for Colerain or Dublin Coffman because their seasons are over, but when you have a two loss team in the top 25, it doesn't seem right.
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Centennial lost to Mater Dei, who as most of you are aware is home to the best player in the country (according to Gatorades POY) and hes the first junior to ever win the award, and he is also ranked #1 overall in the 2009 recruiting class, and most say the best QB prospect playing HSFB right now.

Now, MD did lose a couple games after beating Centennial, but its not like the team other than De La Salle that CC lost to is a nobody.

But I do agree they are ranked too highly. If DLS didnt take the foot off the gas and begin subbing so early when it was 31-7, the game woudlnt have ended up as close as it did.

That said St. X still has my vote for #1
 
And it is curious to me that a team that went 13-0 and won the largest division championship in the largest state in the country which has produced more NFL players than any other state and outscored 13 opponents 392-28 in the first half this year can be as low as 8th or 11th on 2 of these polls

what can they do ?

cant play in a bigger division a la BTW

cant play in a larger state a la some of these Missisiippi and ALabama schools

I guess they could ahve outscored their 13 opponents 400-0

oh 392-28 is pretty darn close
 
lancer1997 said:
Centennial lost to Mater Dei, who as most of you are aware is home to the best player in the country (according to Gatorades POY) and hes the first junior to ever win the award, and he is also ranked #1 overall in the 2009 recruiting class, and most say the best QB prospect playing HSFB right now.

Now, MD did lose a couple games after beating Centennial, but its not like the team other than De La Salle that CC lost to is a nobody.

But I do agree they are ranked too highly. If DLS didnt take the foot off the gas and begin subbing so early when it was 31-7, the game woudlnt have ended up as close as it did.

That said St. X still has my vote for #1
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I think you are mistaken about the subbing so early
 
consumerman said:
I think you are mistaken about the subbing so early
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Nope. if you watch the game youll see in the middle of the 3rd. Its not a full throw in the pups sub, but it is a lets get some people some work sub. A kid here, a kid there...etc.

Also it took a fantastic play by the CC WR to make that 1st TD of the second half. The DLS DB was all over him. Sometimes you just have a one on one matchup that works out in their favor.

In the end though, you also cant penalize CC for losing MD, which is my main point.

Sure CC is probably too high at #11 or wherever they are, but I dont think they are much much much worse simply because they have 2 losses. They lost to a legit top 5 team, and a team who was ranked top 5 when they played as well.
 
SLCDad said:
With one week to go before all states are finished, here is the latest summary of the human national polls.

School cnnsi espn prepnation risemag studentsports usatoday Ave Rank
1 Northwestern (Miami, FL) 1 1 2 2 1 1 1.3
2 St. Xavier (Cincinnati, OH) 2 2 1 1 2 5 2.2
3 Katy (TX) 4 5 3 3 4 4 3.8
4 Prattville (AL) 8 9 4 10 5 2 6.3
4 De La Salle (Concord, CA) 11 8 5 5 6 3 6.3
6 Washington (Miami, FL) 6 4 8 6 10 8 7.0
7 Central Catholic (Pittsburgh, PA) 14 11 20 9 7 11 12.0
8 Don Bosco Prep (Ramsey, NJ) 9 12 21 13 12 12 13.2
9 Birmingham (Van Nuys, CA) 13 19 13 15 19 17 16.0
10 Centennial (Corona, CA) 21 15 11 21 18 14 16.7
11 Poly (Long Beach, CA) 19 18 14 17 20 23 18.5
12 Westfield (Chantilly, VA) 20 24 15 16 13 25 18.8

Miami Northwestern is #1 in 4 rankings. St. Xavier is #1 in 2 rankings.

MNW, StX and Katy are the only teams ranked in the top 5 in every human poll.
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you are wrong. holding out on the florida team are we. Pahokee florida has an ave human rating of 8.2 putting them at #7
 
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consumerman said:
DLS led Centennial at one point 31-7 and after surviving a Halloween 12 minutes, came back with the game on the line and drove for the go ahead score and then had 2 stops and won by 6 points

St X never led St Iggy by 24 points and escaped with a 3 point 3 overtime win

St X never led in the semis 31-7 and escaped with a 3 point win 10-7 when the other team had the ball deep inside St X territory and just needed a few more seconds to pull out the win

Neither St Iggy or the semifinal opponent have ever been or are currently ranked near Centennial
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Had DLS gone on 4-5 hours down the road after losing their QB the week before, then maybe your asinine comparison would make sense.

Thanks for pointing out that X never blew a big lead. And thanks for pointing out that once a team had scored 31 points, they won't end the game with 10.
 
consumerman said:
And it is curious to me that a team that went 13-0 and won the largest division championship in the largest state in the country which has produced more NFL players than any other state and outscored 13 opponents 392-28 in the first half this year can be as low as 8th or 11th on 2 of these polls

what can they do ?

cant play in a bigger division a la BTW

cant play in a larger state a la some of these Missisiippi and ALabama schools

I guess they could ahve outscored their 13 opponents 400-0

oh 392-28 is pretty darn close
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Never playing a team that finished with fewer than two losses can have an effect. Only playing two that won 10 games or more can also. Only having one opponent that has hit the rankings radar and even then barely escaping is another.
 
concha said:
Only having one opponent that has hit the rankings radar and even then barely escaping is another.
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let's compare

DLS won the largest division championship in the largest state by 6 points, against a national top ten team that was favored to win, and led 31-7 at one point, a six point victory

st x won by just three twice, once against an unranked team which took st x to 3 overtimes and the other game also a win by three when the other team had the ball deep inside st x territory, poised to score as time ran out, another 20 seconds and st x loses

if dls "barely escaped" with a 6 point win over a national top ten to win the largest state championship, what do you call a win over an unranked team by 3 points?

oh I know

domination

hypocrite
 
consumerman said:
And it is curious to me that a team that went 13-0 and won the largest division championship in the largest state in the country
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Trick question right - Juneau-Douglas (Juneau, AK) But they only won 11 games.

At first I was thinking population. Then I realized California does not have a championship game - only a "Bowl Game" kinda like the New Orleans Bowl between FAU & Memphis.
 
Bordertown said:
Trick question right - Juneau-Douglas (Juneau, AK) But they only won 11 games.

At first I was thinking population. Then I realized California does not have a championship game - only a "Bowl Game" kinda like the New Orleans Bowl between FAU & Memphis.
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I guess you missed the post game festivities when the commissioner awarded DLS the Division 1 championship trophy and announced DLS as Division 1 CHAMPIONS
 
Like you I did not attend the game.

I understood California had a Bowl Game where one team from the Southern part of the state was INVITED to play a team from the northern part of the state. Did they change the format in 2007?

But congrats on the "STATE CHAMPIONSHIP":shrug:
 
Bordertown said:
Like you I did not attend the game.

I understood California had a Bowl Game where one team from the Southern part of the state was INVITED to play a team from the northern part of the state. Did they change the format in 2007?

But congrats on the "STATE CHAMPIONSHIP":shrug:
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De La Salle (Concord, Calif.) has long been one of the country's top high school football teams, but Saturday the Spartans silenced a few doubters by defeating Centennial (Corona) 37-31 for the Division I California championship.

Quote from USA Today, another proof source

sorry you dont like our playoffs where DLS won 4 playoff games in a unified division

then tell us when Texas no longer splits its 5A division into 2 parts and no longer waters down the quality with 4th place league finishers who sometimes are 3-7 or 5-5 making the playoffs

At least California has a unified playoff division for its top bracket

Texas can NOT say that
 
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CARSON, Calif. (AP) — Noah Perio caught a 25-yard touchdown pass from Mike MacGillivray with 5:09 to play to give De La Salle a 37-31 victory over Centennial in the second annual California Interscholastic Federation's Division I state championship Saturday night.
The Spartans (13-0 and ranked No. 3 in USA TODAY's Super 25) became the first team from Northern California to earn a state football title since Berkeley won in 1924, although the Concord, Calif., school has won won 16 straight North Coast Section championships.

they do teach reading and comprehension in texas dont they?
 
Nope!!!!!!!!! Just football.

I am not getting into the trap of whose system is worse. They both need serious over hauls. Some more than others and we will disagree on that fine point.

Merry Christmas.
 
In a state the size of California you can win a big school title by playing just two teams that manage to win more than ten in a season? You can do it never running into an undefeated team?

Wow. Tough stuff.

Forgive me while I pass out from laughter.
 
laugh all you want you are just continuing to show your ignorance and bias

DLS outscored 13 opponents 392-28 in the first half
St X allowed 24 points in 1 half

St X had 2 narrow escapes - both 3 point wins they could easily have lost

California is 3-0 in the herbie including wins by a team that not only did not win 10 games in california, they barely won 5

the gcl went winless in the herbie last year
and took a miracle comeback this year in 1 game to barely scrape 2-2 in the herbie

that is worth laughing at

and then when the little boys are allowed to travel they would not even go 2-6

laugh
laugh
laugh
 
consumerman said:
laugh all you want you are just continuing to show your ignorance and bias

DLS outscored 13 opponents 392-28 in the first half [Given DLS's schedule, what a shocker]
St X allowed 24 points in 1 half [No, they didn't. You're wrong! Another shocker....]

St X had 2 narrow escapes - both 3 point wins they could easily have losty [DLS played one decent team and almost lost. And you're talking trash about X? LMAO!!!!!!]

California is 3-0 in th eherbie [Which has zero relevance to X and DLS. You being irrelevant. Yet another shocker.]

the gcl went winless in the herbie last year [Consumerman. Lord of the Irrelevant]and took a miracle comeback this year to barely scrape 2-2 in the herbie

that is worth laughing at

and then when the little boys are allowed to travel they would not even go 2-6

laugh
laugh
laugh
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One decent opponent. One near loss. Coincidence?
 
Cal High was 11-1 and a state top team and only loss was on a last second FG 10-9 to a team that won its section

DLS beat them, 37-0


they didnt slip by 10-7 with the other team inside the 15 ready to take the lead

they didnt trail any team by 24-13 as st x did

they didnt need three overtimes to be a team that used to be good 15 years agi
 
concha said:
DLS played one decent team and nearly lost. Everybody knows it. Deal with it.

Dismissed.
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curious that MV isnt a decent team (I agree) but they BEAT a socalled GCL playoff power

curious that Cal Hi is not decent

curious that a 6 point win to a national top ten is a game "nearly lost"

so what dois that make a 3 point 3 overtime win over an unranked team>>


CHOKE CITY?
 
DLS can claim to have won the biggest division championship in the largest state

DLS can claim to outscoring its opponents 392-28 in the first half

DLS never trailed by 24-13 to anyone, let alone a 2 loss team

DLS never took 3 overtimes to beat an unranked team

DLS never had a slim 3 point lead with the opponent within 1 play from less than 20 yards to score

DLS never scored as few as 10 points a game (or 17)
 
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