Exactly my only reasoning for a shot clock in HS @CDRam84, “it would eliminate deliberately holding the ball longer to preserve a lead.”
We’ll agree to disagree and I respect your opinion. I guess the last 3:30 doesn’t matter then, only the first 28:30. Games should only be played for 28:30 then.
Well, that's not really a good companion. In football you can't play defense UNTIL the ball is snapped. In basketball....the team can always try to defend, steal, and foul to get the ball back. It's not similar in football.
Good news is you don't have to buy a ticket to go to the game or you can leave if you went.No way I could watch a high school game with a 25-20 final…that is like watching paint dry or 4th grade rec…i would have used my entire bench to put them in the bonus in the first quarter…no team shoots 100% from the line…you want slow and boring? How about watching 40-50 free throws
Go guard the ball. Try to get a steal. Commit a foul.
Go guard the ball, or try to get a steal, OR grab a rebound as a shot goes up at the end of the shot clock.
Why can't you pressure the offense into a turnover or a 5 second count?
Why can’t you pressure the ball and try for a 5 second count without fouling which in turn pressures your opponent into a bad shot at the end of the shot clock?
Oh…I have walked out on deliberately slow games…probably 3-4…Score is 14-10 at half I am out…I also walk out on blowouts…and now that I am familiar with the region after 22 years I don’t bother going to games I think won’t be competitive…life is too short to watch bad anything.
Maybe play better defense and/or offense earlier in the game? That might work too.
Life is too short to go to any high school game unless you have a relative involved,
Sounds like you have a good strategy then.
Maybe if kids (and coaches) would spend more time at the FT line rather than another 4ft 9in further back, it would discourage the accepted practice of fouling as a way to get the ball back without the opponent scoring.
At first I thought this too, however what concerns me a bit is how antiquated the high school game is at the moment compared to college & the NBA. It's noticeable how much more football mirrors the modern college & NFL games compared to basketball. If a sport doesn't evolve it dies
I'm not opposed to the game evolving but I'm not sure the shot clock is such an integral part of the game that without it the game will die
…the game was still slower but not ridiculous scores of 30-28…so I see the point folks are making about getting out and guarding. Two other points I would make are: a shot clock rewards good defense a little more and also rewards offensive efficiency….a team should be able to get up the floor and run thru the offense 4-5 times in 35 seconds..if you can’t get a decent shot after running thru 4-5 Iterations of the offense then your players are not screening well, cutting hard etc…my coach said any offense on earth will work if it is run sharply and quickly a d with purpose. Nowadays I see tons of bad screening both in the set, use and timing..I see lazy cutting and most of the guys on the floor couldn’t not come off a screen and rise up and make a shot from 12-15 feet! Ball handling and shooting 3’s ( didn’t have them in my day) are way better today…with a few exceptions post play has declined…rare to see a post player with a variety of finishes…they are out there but not as prevalent I guess because it isn’t as flashy in the 3 ball era…I think a clock would force coaches and players to be more efficient. I think I will see it in my lifetime (I am on the short view to 60)…To some degree it kind of becomes the 6th defender. In a way I think it would allow coaches to just pack it in and wait for the other team to have to shoot. So while it may force quicker more decisive offense it would also allow for less aggressive defense, at least until the other team proves they can sink those deep shots.The lacrosse idea is interesting but maybe a little too interpretive for basketball…but still interesting. The elam ending is very fun to watch..forces teams to actually play…no fouling, no holding the ball. The stall became more effective when coaches like Bob Knight installed the one foot in the lane help side concept (so actually weak side is a match up zone)…back in the 70’s when a team tried to run 4 corners on us my coach would yell “STRAIGHT UP!”…which meant you followed your man everywhere….restroom, locker room, concession stand
That's a poor take. The game adjusts as talent and skill increases. Antiquated is more of your lack of understanding of how to play the sport when 3 out of your 5 are skilled ball handlers. As the talent increases as you move up the ladder.of course things change. Baseball is an individual sport irrelevant to this. Football still has massive massive differences at the HS level ( veer, option, wingt) all based on talent and skills.
Did I say you could not?
Fair is fair - being up by 10 with 3:30 left should not automatically lead to a win. That's high school basketball!
Yes, and I bet most people who were fans of the better team they nearly beat were wishing there was a shot clock.
I'm in your camp on this view.
You have no idea what your talking about have you ever played the game. You must have been a ball hog and no need for a shot clock
Yep, high schools are not colleges that can recruit the player to fit the rule. I expect some pretty atrocious basketball at the small school level once this goes through. Deliberate offenses that make the defense work, and stay on the floor , will be a thing of the past. Every coach will be just 35 seconds maximum away from a timeout.
It doesn’t have to though- you can coach for that, too
