How does having Trump as president actually benefit you?

underthelights said:
You’re absolutely right that incorporation is designed to shield individuals from personal liability for business debts, and when used ethically, it’s an important tool for entrepreneurship. However, Donald Trump’s use of incorporation has been repeatedly criticized for being exploitative and unethical. For instance:
1. Trump Taj Mahal (1991): Trump’s casino in Atlantic City filed for bankruptcy, leaving thousands of creditors and contractors unpaid. While the business floundered, Trump managed to restructure the debt in a way that preserved his personal wealth and lifestyle.
2. Trump Plaza Hotel (1992): Trump personally guaranteed hundreds of millions in loans for this project but used bankruptcy protections to negotiate reduced debt obligations. Meanwhile, investors and smaller businesses tied to the project suffered losses.
3. Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts (2004): His company declared bankruptcy after accumulating $1.8 billion in debt. While shareholders and bondholders faced huge losses, Trump secured a golden parachute, maintaining his personal wealth.
4. Trump Entertainment Resorts (2009): This was another Atlantic City project where Trump’s company declared bankruptcy, leaving creditors in the lurch. Despite the company’s poor performance, Trump continued to profit from licensing his name to these ventures.

Each of these cases highlights a pattern: Trump used the corporate shield not just to manage risk, but to offload the financial consequences of his decisions onto others, including small businesses, investors, and employees. This approach raises serious ethical questions. While incorporation is a legitimate legal structure, abusing it to repeatedly avoid accountability undermines the fairness of the system and harms those left footing the bill.

I understand the term, “it’s business” and agree he made business moves that gave him the most profit. Sure, you can say this is smart. However, if he is willing to exploit everyday people with questionably business ethics for his personal gain, what then makes him someone you would trust to essentially run the largest free market, for profit capitalist society and economy in the world and expect him not to exploit it for his own personal gain?
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All this is true …but MAGA Cult still believe he is looking out for them … and is going to clean up DC … to help them … 🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
ProV1 said:
If Trump was black and he had stolen a $200 TV during a protest, you would be screaming for prison.
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He, Trump is not black and he did not steal a $200 TV so I have nothing to scream about except the fact you are accusing him of just another crime he did not do. We already have enough accusations being made at Trump we do not need another lie add on.
 
joesports said:
All this is true …but MAGA Cult still believe he is looking out for them … and is going to clean up DC … to help them … 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Well I was counting on Biden to unite us (he promised) and being the true honest man he has been reported to be I trusted he would make some steps to drain the swamp.
 
joesports said:
All this is true …but MAGA Cult still believe he is looking out for them … and is going to clean up DC … to help them … 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Joe, IMO, I think that is a true statement. Trump will either succeed in pushing the conservative agenda forward and redefining what government should be to the people and obliterate leftist policies, or he will fail miserably, which the Republican Party may never recover; thus leaving us in a single party state, which is bad for both sides.

Biden ran under the banner of unity and transparency. He failed in both and actually created a greater wave of government distrust which cast Trump in the limelight. The party of securing democracy was selfied holding their di*k by installing Kamala as the party nominee, without a voice of the people. Talk to me about voter suppression...that is a fact in its simplest terms.

The excitement around Trump is comparable to FDR, JFK and Reagan. Those three met the expectations of the office, all with their own legality questions of their presidencies; yet, the country moved forward for more the better than worse. Can Trump do the same? The odds are not in his favor but here he is redefining the odds.

We may never be alive when the affected history the 47th POTUS is written without bias but it will be clearly written the Nation elected a convicted felon to lead them. What does that say about the democratic party?

So yes, somebody needs to clean up DC and why that would offend anyone is beyond me.
 
19AL63 said:
He, Trump is not black and he did not steal a $200 TV so I have nothing to scream about except the fact you are accusing him of just another crime he did not do. We already have enough accusations being made at Trump we do not need another lie add on.
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Trump stole most of his business career. There are many examples.
 
underthelights said:
I'm not sure what you're suggesting I lied about or what you think I believe. There has been a great deal of evidence that shows Russia ran interference. We interfere in elections around the world as well. The way you're looking at it without recognizing any data or evidence contrary to your belief is extremely partisan. The fact of the matter is that Russia stood to benefit from a Trump presidency over the candidates he has run against, if in no other way than the fact the Trump's administration doesn't want to interfere in the affairs of Russia, mainly Ukraine. I'm not saying that it's necessarily a bad thing, that's another argument. Alliances change, and if that happens for the betterment of our country, so be it. We used to be at war with England and now they're our closest ally. Now, back to Russian interference; whether or not Trump and his team were in on it is something that will not come out in our lifetime, much like the information regarding the Kennedy assassination.
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Well, that's an interesting and revealing take. Uh, wow.
 
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A yuge accomplishment. FJB for his stupidity.
 
Guillotine said:
My favorite part?

"The fact of the matter is that Russia stood to benefit from a Trump presidency over the candidates he has run against..."

It's almost like he's forgotten the nice haul the Clinton's pulled in over the sale of Uranium One!

lmao
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I found the whole thing curious.

He is sincere, I think, but perhaps unaware of how it resonates logically outside of Leftist circles?
 
underthelights said:
I'm not sure what you're suggesting I lied about or what you think I believe. There has been a great deal of evidence that shows Russia ran interference. We interfere in elections around the world as well. The way you're looking at it without recognizing any data or evidence contrary to your belief is extremely partisan. The fact of the matter is that Russia stood to benefit from a Trump presidency over the candidates he has run against, if in no other way than the fact the Trump's administration doesn't want to interfere in the affairs of Russia, mainly Ukraine. I'm not saying that it's necessarily a bad thing, that's another argument. Alliances change, and if that happens for the betterment of our country, so be it. We used to be at war with England and now they're our closest ally. Now, back to Russian interference; whether or not Trump and his team were in on it is something that will not come out in our lifetime, much like the information regarding the Kennedy assassination.
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What the hell? There is NO credible evidence that Russia "ran interference" in the 2016 election. Purchasing a few FB ads had no impact whatsoever on that election.

The fact of the matter is that Trump acted to constrain Putin/Russia during his term. The last thing Russia wanted was for Trump to win for the following reasons:

* During the Trump administration Putin/Russia did not invade any neighbor. In contrast Putin invaded Georgia during the Bush administration, annexed Crimea during the Obama presidency and invaded Ukraine during the Biden presidency. Putin has claimed that Trump made them nervous because of the strategic ambiguity associated with Trump's foreign policy's regarding reaction to Russian adventurism on their border.

* The Trump administration pushed for sharply increased defense spending in both our conventional and nuclear arsenals. This was clearly not in Russia's interest.

* During unrest in Syria Trump authorized the annihilation of a Russian mercenary group.

* Trump repeatedly tried to bully Germany and Western Europe to NOT buy Russian natural gas which would make them dependent on Putin & Russia.

By his actions Trump did more to thwart Russian imperial ambitions then the Bush, Obama & Biden administrations combined. It is not "partisan" to dismiss accusations of Russian interference in the 2016 election. This position is clearly supported by the facts of the actions taken by the Trump administration during this time.
 
IVCguy said:
I found the whole thing curious.

He is sincere, I think, but perhaps unaware of how it resonates logically outside of Leftist circles?
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I'm more inclined to believe he purposely distorts the truth.

He's a "if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullchit" kind of guy. lol

You do know he's an attorney?
 
Gamma Gobbler said:
Joe, IMO, I think that is a true statement. Trump will either succeed in pushing the conservative agenda forward and redefining what government should be to the people and obliterate leftist policies, or he will fail miserably, which the Republican Party may never recover; thus leaving us in a single party state, which is bad for both sides.

Biden ran under the banner of unity and transparency. He failed in both and actually created a greater wave of government distrust which cast Trump in the limelight. The party of securing democracy was selfied holding their di*k by installing Kamala as the party nominee, without a voice of the people. Talk to me about voter suppression...that is a fact in its simplest terms.

The excitement around Trump is comparable to FDR, JFK and Reagan. Those three met the expectations of the office, all with their own legality questions of their presidencies; yet, the country moved forward for more the better than worse. Can Trump do the same? The odds are not in his favor but here he is redefining the odds.

We may never be alive when the affected history the 47th POTUS is written without bias but it will be clearly written the Nation elected a convicted felon to lead them. What does that say about the democratic party?

So yes, somebody needs to clean up DC and why that would offend anyone is beyond me.
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You just keep believing in fairytales … the Big Red Fat guy will be here soon … and the fat Orange guy after that … neither are going to clean up anything … but you guys can dream … and makes excuses when your dreams don’t come true … you probably still believe Mexico will pay for the wall … and Trump will bring down grocery prices … 😂😂😂😂
 
joesports said:
You just keep believing in fairytales … the Big Red Fat guy will be here soon … and the fat Orange guy after that … neither are going to clean up anything … but you guys can dream … and makes excuses when your dreams don’t come true … you probably still believe Mexico will pay for the wall … and Trump will bring down grocery prices … 😂😂😂😂
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Your post seems odd, considering I actually agreed with you.
 
There aren̈t that many things I know for sure, but I have observed that when you combine post-modernism - and the problems of finding truth and the moral confusion that comes with - and the trained rhetorical skills of an attorney, you get this strange effect where utter nonsense is packaged in a sensible-sounding way.

It doesn't hold up to scrutiny well, but it at least sounds somewhat convincing - or, at least, they seem convinced of it.

But in the case of the Russia hoax, an attorney knows there is no real evidence to an imaginary, conjured, or manufactured crime. The best that can be done is to try to weave a narrative with points of false evidence or distort a fact to fit the narrative. But the real vs
the imagined and the factual vs the false gets exposed with careful scrutiny over time. Lies are immediately powerful, but lacking substance, they cannot withstand the tests of scrutiny and time.

So, I'm surprised that an attorney, after something like the Russia hoax has failed those tests so miserably, would try to salvage the hoax narrative or hang onto a portion of it as possibly true. It's odd behavior, but when I see that, I generally conclude that the admission is too painful or the consequences too great for such a one to simply say, "Yeah, I got drawn into that one."

After all, we have all been there at some point or another where we believed someone or something that was proven to be false. The admission merely puts us within the lines of fallible humanity, but, most importantly, it makes it possible for us to learn why we were fooled and not be fooled the next time.

When there is a refusal to acknowledge the revealed truth, it is certain that such a one will be peddling more hoaxes down the line. Next thing they will be telling us something totally ridiculous like that a male can be a female...
 
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IVCguy said:
There aren̈t that many things I know for sure, but I have observed that when you combine post-modernism - and the problems of finding truth and the moral confusion that comes with - and the trained rhetorical skills of an attorney, you get this strange effect where utter nonsense is packaged in a sensible-sounding way.

It doesn't hold up to scrutiny well, but it at least sounds somewhat convincing - or, at least, they seem convinced of it.

But in the case of the Russia hoax, an attorney knows there is no real evidence to an imaginary, conjured, or manufactured crime. The best that can be done is to try to weave a narrative with points of false evidence or distort a fact to fit the narrative. But the real vs
the imagined and the factual vs the false gets exposed with careful scrutiny over time. Lies are immediately powerful, but lacking substance, they cannot withstand the tests of scrutiny and time.

So, I'm surprised that an attorney, after something like the Russia hoax has failed those tests so miserably, would try to salvage the hoax narrative or hang onto a portion of it as possibly true. It's odd behavior, but when I see that, I generally conclude that the admission is too painful or the consequences too great for such a one to simply say, "Yeah, I got drawn into that one."

After all, we have all been there at some point or another where we believed someone or something that was proven to be false. The admission merely puts us within the lines of fallible humanity, but, most importantly, it makes it possible for us to learn why we were fooled and not be fooled the next time.

When there is a refusal to acknowledge the revealed truth, it is certain that such a one will be peddling more hoaxes down the line. Next thing they will be telling us something totally ridiculous like that a male can be a female...
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Do you remember during the investigation all of those that said “look, he’s pleading the 5th, so that proves he is guilty?” Or, “if he had nothing to hide, he should willfully testify to the committee and prove his innocence.”

The whole thing was a farce. A fantasy made out of thin air by his opponent. And he and his legal team knew it. How do you testify and prove innocence against something that isn’t true? How do you mount a defense against a fairy tale? And yet, there are many that still believe that his reluctance to go along willingly with a circus sideshow is an admission of guilt. Absolute craziness.
 
joesports said:
You just keep believing in fairytales … the Big Red Fat guy will be here soon … and the fat Orange guy after that … neither are going to clean up anything … but you guys can dream … and makes excuses when your dreams don’t come true … you probably still believe Mexico will pay for the wall … and Trump will bring down grocery prices … 😂😂😂😂
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I see that you still have not gained an ounce of self awareness since the election. The latest polls are showing that 54% are feeling positive about the second Trump term. You act likes it’s only rabid MAGA people driving this, yet they only make up about 40% of the electorate. Where is that additional 14% coming from? And the current Biden/Harris administration is cratering as far as approval rating. I believe they are around 37%. So, almost all independents and some democrats are polling negatively against the current administration.

Maybe it’s time to realize that the actions and behavior of the Biden/Harris administration was so noxious that a majority of the country was willing to put the most embattled candidate ever back into the White House? Maybe it’s time to stop insulting a large portion of the American people and stop sky screaming six weeks before the candidate takes office?

Trump may fail miserably, but the American people were more willing to risk that potential failure instead of carrying on with the known trajectory of the Biden/Harris ticket…
 
lotr10 said:
What the hell? There is NO credible evidence that Russia "ran interference" in the 2016 election. Purchasing a few FB ads had no impact whatsoever on that election.

The fact of the matter is that Trump acted to constrain Putin/Russia during his term. The last thing Russia wanted was for Trump to win for the following reasons:

* During the Trump administration Putin/Russia did not invade any neighbor. In contrast Putin invaded Georgia during the Bush administration, annexed Crimea during the Obama presidency and invaded Ukraine during the Biden presidency. Putin has claimed that Trump made them nervous because of the strategic ambiguity associated with Trump's foreign policy's regarding reaction to Russian adventurism on their border.

* The Trump administration pushed for sharply increased defense spending in both our conventional and nuclear arsenals. This was clearly not in Russia's interest.

* During unrest in Syria Trump authorized the annihilation of a Russian mercenary group.

* Trump repeatedly tried to bully Germany and Western Europe to NOT buy Russian natural gas which would make them dependent on Putin & Russia.

By his actions Trump did more to thwart Russian imperial ambitions then the Bush, Obama & Biden administrations combined. It is not "partisan" to dismiss accusations of Russian interference in the 2016 election. This position is clearly supported by the facts of the actions taken by the Trump administration during this time.
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There is loads of evidence. You should read this. It includes all the cooperation from the Trump campaign.

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The greatest thing I have come to appreciate is the day Trump takes office means the embarrassment of having a President with full blown dementia and having non elected people (whoever they are)running the nation comes to and end.
 
19AL63 said:
The greatest thing I have come to appreciate is the day Trump takes office means the embarrassment of having a President with full blown dementia and having non elected people (whoever they are)running the nation comes to and end.
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And rated as a predident way higher than 4 worst preident ever. Rumor is trump pooped himself lmao.
 
ProV1 said:
It includes all the cooperation from the Trump campaign.
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There is NOTHING in that report proving, or even alleging, Trump or the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians to win the election. Further, there is NOTHING in that report proving Vlad preferred Trump over Clinton.

You are a lying sack of chit.
 
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