Division Expansions

A few notes on the records listed in the file above.

* Jesse Owens' 20.8 sec. 220 yard record was set in the semi-finals of the 1933 State Class A meet, not the finals as OHSAA lists on their site. I have proof to back-up this information. It was also set on the straightaway 220 yard dash as was customary for that day except in a few meets.

* Dave Mills' 46.6 sec. 440 yard record was set on a 1-turn configuration at the state meet. I've gone into this on another thread. The NE Ohio district officials successfully petitioned OHSAA to change the race from the normal 2-turn 440yd as we see today to the 1-turn configuration. This was done just prior to the state meet as officials determined to give Mills the best chance to beat the existing national scholastic record of 46.7 sec. which he did manage to do. OHSAA changed from the 1-turn to the 2-turn configuration with the 1953 state meet.

* For the 180yd LH, 220yd, OHSAA did NOT distinguish records set on the straightaways for these events vs. those set over a turn-start. Statisticians now do of course completely distinguish between the two, but at that time, this was not unheard of, unfortunately. Mike Leinhan's (Solon-1956) 180yd LH record was set on the straightaway and had a measured wind-reading of +6.8 mph (+3.1 mps), wind-aided, but was listed as the meet record by OHSAA over subsequent years for whatever reason. 1956 was the first state meet whereby wind measurements were made at the behest of the NFHS in order to submit any marks for potential national record consideration. Some of these wind readings were noted in various newspaper accounts over the years, but OHSAA never published them :(
 
Anyone have any guesses on how the 5 divisions will break down for track? I have a friend who coaches for a school that is going to be on the cusp of a few different ones
 
HomeStretchHero said:
Anyone have any guesses on how the 5 divisions will break down for track? I have a friend who coaches for a school that is going to be on the cusp of a few different ones
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As BJ Duckworth said at both the coaches' clinic and the officials' clinic a couple weeks ago, they are working with a model at expects 60-80 teams in DI, and the other four divisions to be divided so that there is an equal number of teams in each of those divisions. But that is just a model. The actual decision will be made by the BoD at a future date and you should not rely on that model in any way shape or form until this decision is made.
 
Me thinks the "Super" Division 1 might not have a district meet, but go directly to a regional model then to state. Prior to 1965, the implementation of the regionals in Ohio, state qualifiers came directly from a lot of old district meets directly.
 
JAVMAN83 said:
Me thinks the "Super" Division 1 might not have a district meet, but go directly to a regional model then to state. Prior to 1965, the implementation of the regionals in Ohio, state qualifiers came directly from a lot of old district meets directly.
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This is the way. A "super" regional (or some clever name) to determine state qualifiers in D1, and 2 day district meets like there are now for the other 4 divisions. Current district sites host Divisions 2 and 3 on Wednesday/Friday, and Divisons 4 and 5 on Thursday and Saturday, or something like that. Or not. Looking forward to finding out how this will all work.
 
fanofrunning said:
This is the way. A "super" regional (or some clever name) to determine state qualifiers in D1, and 2 day district meets like there are now for the other 4 divisions. Current district sites host Divisions 2 and 3 on Wednesday/Friday, and Divisons 4 and 5 on Thursday and Saturday, or something like that. Or not. Looking forward to finding out how this will all work.
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The only problem with a super regional is the rounds to qualify. Prelims for the 3200 and 4x800? I also look forward to seeing how this would work.
 
EuclidandViren said:
The only problem with a super regional is the rounds to qualify. Prelims for the 3200 and 4x800? I also look forward to seeing how this would work.
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If the Super Division 1 is as small in the number of schools that I envision (I have no idea as I'm not "plugged-in"), there will be a heavy concentration of schools in the SW, Central & NE Ohio areas. NW & SE Ohio have far less numbers of the super-sized schools, so the super regionals will need to be balanced and some schools will definitely be travelling some distance. However, this is nothing new in OHSAA annals as the old district meets that qualified directly to state had many teams travelling 2 hours to their respective district meet. Just food for thought.
 
JAVMAN83 said:
If the Super Division 1 is as small in the number of schools that I envision (I have no idea as I'm not "plugged-in"), there will be a heavy concentration of schools in the SW, Central & NE Ohio areas. NW & SE Ohio have far less numbers of the super-sized schools, so the super regionals will need to be balanced and some schools will definitely be travelling some distance. However, this is nothing new in OHSAA annals as the old district meets that qualified directly to state had many teams travelling 2 hours to their respective district meet. Just food for thought.
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There will likely be no SE and only maybe 2 NW schools in D1. If the OHSAA sticks to the percentage ranges they have mentioned then there will be 64-84 teams in D1. For example, at 64 teams (for girls) there would be 28 teams from central, 2 from NW, and the rest split evenly between NE and SW.
 
mathking said:
There will likely be no SE and only maybe 2 NW schools in D1. If the OHSAA sticks to the percentage ranges they have mentioned then there will be 64-84 teams in D1. For example, at 64 teams (for girls) there would be 28 teams from central, 2 from NW, and the rest split evenly between NE and SW.
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Sounds like 3 regionals for D1 as possibility?
 
Altor said:
IIRC, the model described by Mr. Duckworth at the officials clinic was 3 regions for all 5 divisions.

Again, just a model.
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Hmm...I didn't know that. Just 3 regions? Sounds like there will defintely be some 2-hour commutes for some if that holds true.
 
JAVMAN83 said:
Sounds like 3 regionals for D1 as possibility?
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If it is 3 regions with no district, it will be interesting to see whether they move some teams from the central to the NE and some to the SW, or whether they do proportional advancement. Because the central could be a nightmare meet for track and field. Even at the low end of 64 total, that would be a 28 team invitational. That would mean prelims in everything (including the 4x800). If you did proportional advancement, instead of splitting up into three equal sized regions, you'd end up with 7 or 8 kids qualifying from the central.

Cross country would be easier logistically, but I shudder at the thought of 28 or even 34-35 teams worth of kids lined up at the start line at Pick North. More often than not someone gets hurt at the start there as it is.
 
mathking said:
If it is 3 regions with no district, it will be interesting to see whether they move some teams from the central to the NE and some to the SW, or whether they do proportional advancement. Because the central could be a nightmare meet for track and field. Even at the low end of 64 total, that would be a 28 team invitational. That would mean prelims in everything (including the 4x800). If you did proportional advancement, instead of splitting up into three equal sized regions, you'd end up with 7 or 8 kids qualifying from the central.

Cross country would be easier logistically, but I shudder at the thought of 28 or even 34-35 teams worth of kids lined up at the start line at Pick North. More often than not someone gets hurt at the start there as it is.
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I would think they got to do an equal or really close to equal region. I would suggest having 2 cental region meets send the NW teams there and have two 15 or so team meets. This is under the assumption there is no district meets for D1.
 
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