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Hearing discussions upcoming over the next 2 days about XC and Track Divisional expansions...

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Hearing discussions upcoming over the next 2 days about XC and Track Divisional expansions...

I heard the OHSAA is mum on the situation and if we get 4 divisions we'd be lucky

Saw this posted covering the next 2 seasons....

Even a greater disparity than last year (268 vs 1335); my goodness

More schools have a track team defined by OHSSA as 13 teams moved up to D1 and only 5 moved down.

Saw this posted covering the next 2 seasons....

Even a greater disparity than last year (268 vs 1335); my goodness

True. There is no reason the divisions have to have equal numbers.Absolutely *$)T#$Y_*F# ridiculous! Batavia & Badin with over a THOUSAND less boys now have to compete against Mason! OHSAA is NOT working in the best interests of student-athletes.

The downside to that is if you make D1 have only 30 schools the other two divisions are going to have a whole heck of a lot more schools.A far more equitable system would be not to divide into equal pools of the # of schools, but into equal pools of the # of STUDENTS in a pool. OHSAA has it back assward.

I'm not arguing for staying with 3 divisions. Should be at least 5 in a state the size of Ohio.The downside to that is if you make D1 have only 30 schools the other two divisions are going to have a whole heck of a lot more schools.

I'm doing a mini-project this week to seek out a better distribution based on OHSAA's database. Will get back with you all later this week.

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Very Simple. Do the divisions just like they do now and then divide D1 into two divisions. D1. 16.66% D2. 16.66%. D3, 33.33%, D4. 33.33%I'm not arguing for staying with 3 divisions. Should be at least 5 in a state the size of Ohio.

I'm doing a mini-project this week to seek out a better distribution based on OHSAA's database. Will get back with you all later this week.

Have considered that, but I'll let the data drive my decision-making.Very Simple. Do the divisions just like they do now and then divide D1 into two divisions. D1. 16.66% D2. 16.66%. D3, 33.33%, D4. 33.33%

What would the population difference be in the new D1? Would we just end up with a new group complaining about the size difference? How much difference between the top and bottom of D1 will people accept?Very Simple. Do the divisions just like they do now and then divide D1 into two divisions. D1. 16.66% D2. 16.66%. D3, 33.33%, D4. 33.33%

That really is the question. If you take the first 60 schools by enrollment you have Mason with 1335 at the top and Sycamore with 631 at the bottom. If you go to 72 its Euclid with 591. If you go to 80 its Troy with 577. 100 is Eastlake North with 505. (I used the boys numbers).What would the population difference be in the new D1? Would we just end up with a new group complaining about the size difference? How much difference between the top and bottom of D1 will people accept?

The reason I say 6 is that you do not have to add any district or regional meets. You can run the same amount of meets as qualifiers and you are really just adding a little time to each meet by running 2 divisions at each. No extra officials or meet sites needed.

Example:

D1 and D2 at the original d1 meet running in order but by the division

4x800 girls d1

4x800 girls d2

4x800 boys d1

4x800 boys d2

100mh girls d1 heats 1-3

100mh girls d2 heats 1-3

110mh boys d1 heats 1-3

110mh boys d2 heats 1-3

100m girls d1 heat 1-3

100m girls d2 heat 1-3

100m boys d1 heat 1-3

100m boys d2 heat 1-3

In reality you are adding 2 extra heats of 4x800 and maybe a few heats in sprints (finals day will have extra distance races but it is a quicker day anyways). You will have the same amount of teams at each district and regional since the divisions will be less schools in each division.

The state meet would most likely need to go to 3 days but we just did that so it can be done.

Thanks for looking up the numbers. They illustrate my suspicion. Even limiting D1 to 60 schools the top is is still more than double the bottom school. It won’t settle the complaint. There just aren’t that many schools over 1000 boys. D1 would have to be a very small number of schools. They could all just go right to the state meet.That really is the question. If you take the first 60 schools by enrollment you have Mason with 1335 at the top and Sycamore with 631 at the bottom. If you go to 72 its Euclid with 591. If you go to 80 its Troy with 577. 100 is Eastlake North with 505. (I used the boys numbers).

8 Boys schools and 4 girls schools over 1k. (2 additional girls schools have 990 or more)Thanks for looking up the numbers. They illustrate my suspicion. Even limiting D1 to 60 schools the top is is still more than double the bottom school. It won’t settle the complaint. There just aren’t that many schools over 1000 boys. D1 would have to be a very small number of schools. They could all just go right to the state meet.

I understand the complaint but at that point, in my opinion, it just doesn't matter. Being half the size is better than being a third the size. A school with around 600 boys/girls can definitely with the handful of 1k+ schools. It has been happening year after year. It's the schools that are 1/3 the size or less that don't have a chance.Thanks for looking up the numbers. They illustrate my suspicion. Even limiting D1 to 60 schools the top is is still more than double the bottom school. It won’t settle the complaint. There just aren’t that many schools over 1000 boys. D1 would have to be a very small number of schools. They could all just go right to the state meet.

If you think the D1 disparity is bad, just look at D3. Biggest school is 143, There are dozens of schools of schools less than half the size. The smallest being 33. Not to mention the schools that are even smaller but only take a couple kids to districts.

I certainly agree. Those handful of huge schools are not dominating D1 as a group. There’s no plan possible where teams are going to be happy going up against a mega school and there’s not much chance for a school with 33 boys in any plan.I understand the complaint but at that point, in my opinion, it just doesn't matter. Being half the size is better than being a third the size. A school with around 600 boys/girls can definitely with the handful of 1k+ schools. It has been happening year after year. It's the schools that are 1/3 the size or less that don't have a chance.

If you think the D1 disparity is bad, just look at D3. Biggest school is 143, There are dozens of schools of schools less than half the size. The smallest being 33. Not to mention the schools that are even smaller but only take a couple kids to districts.

D1 - 15%

D2 - 20%

D3 - 30%

D4 - 35%

If we use every school in the enrollment numbers, there are 804 boys schools and 807 Girls schools. I did some rounding.

D1 - 15%

D2 - 20%

D3 - 30%

D4 - 35%

Boys Schools per division:

D1-121

D2-161

D3- 241

D4- 281

Girls Schools per division:

D1-121

D2-161

D3-242

D4-283

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If use the number of schools with track team per OSHAA definition (695,649) here is the breakdown.If we use every school in the enrollment numbers, there are 804 boys schools and 807 Girls schools. I did some rounding.

Boys Schools per division:

D1-121

D2-161

D3- 241

D4- 281

Girls Schools per division:

D1-121

D2-161

D3-242

D4-283

Boys Schools per division:

D1-104

D2-139

D3- 209

D4- 243

Girls Schools per division:

D1-97

D2-130

D3-195

D4-227