Caitlin Clark

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Wayyyy over hyped 😂
 

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eastisbest said:
Clark had a day to make 14Red happy. :D
6-22, 1-10, 5 TO
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Yea, only 5 turnovers. You've actually given this more publicity than the national media does. It's very interesting to me to see how she's covered. There is rarely anything negative about her games. She's broken every rookie scoring and assist record (few say that she's likely played more mintue and had a prime role as a rookie like none other in league history). She is a runaway leader in turnovers but no one says anything about her turnovers. They just say her teammates can't catch. But obviously they can score because she gets all the assists. 🤷‍♂️ The league and networks are so invested in her they can't turn back now.
Now I've said on here the Olympic break was just what the doctor ordered for her as she was able to get her legs back under her and has played her best basketball since the break. Clark's 3 pt. FG % has finally got above 34%, but her standard FG% is only 41%.
Meanwhile a gal like A'ja Wilson is the best player in the league and it's not even close. 27PPG, 51% FG, 10 RPG and her team wins.
And as I've said on here before, the best player on Indiana is Kelsey Mitchell, look it up!
 
Cedar_Point said:
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Wayyyy over hyped 😂
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Performance overhyped to a degree, from a league and marketing standpoint, Clark has hit a home run, or even a grand slam. The proof will be that she has to win titles to keep this status, and I just don't know that it's possible. I do think in a year or two she's going to be shipped off to a bigger market, NY, LA or Vegas. The league will want to maximize profitability as much as possible.
 
Cedar_Point said:
Every record or milestone

Wayyyy over hyped 😂
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The Washington Mystics had a record crowd of 20,711 for a game. 14red is right. How come some skinny chick is getting all this press and a team no one's ever heard of draws two decades? Reporting is unfair. /s
 
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14Red said:
Meanwhile a gal like A'ja Wilson is the best player in the league and it's not even close. 27PPG, 51% FG, 10 RPG and her team wins.
And as I've said on here before, the best player on Indiana is Kelsey Mitchell, look it up!
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Player A and Player B are on the same team.
- Both score 19.2 points per game.
- Both played every game this year
- Player A shoots a little better percentage (5%) than Player B
- Player B has more than double the rebounds as Player A
- Player B has 4 times as many assists as Player A
- Player B has double the steals and triple the blocked shots as Player A

Who is the better player? You said look it up, and I did. Mitchell is a fine player, she is player A. Clark is superior. Not sure why you hate Clark.
 
wolves82 said:
Player A and Player B are on the same team.
- Both score 19.2 points per game.
- Both played every game this year
- Player A shoots a little better percentage (5%) than Player B
- Player B has more than double the rebounds as Player A
- Player B has 4 times as many assists as Player A
- Player B has double the steals and triple the blocked shots as Player A

Who is the better player? You said look it up, and I did. Mitchell is a fine player, she is player A. Clark is superior. Not sure why you hate Clark.
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I've said it many times, not hate at all. Just enlightening so many of you.
Mitchell puts the ball in the basket, she can get herself open and she can create.
Clark, to her credit, has seen she can't dominate like she did in college, she's crafted herself into a facilitator, good for her.
How many of Clark's assists is because of Mitchell?
A little better percentage? 5% is a mile in basketball my friend. And that's both in 2pt. FG and 3 pt. FG.
Just let Clark win her own battles, too many people just want to hand her accolades. She's a good player, isn't that enough?
 
What was the Fever's record last year with Mitchell? What was the Fever's record this year with Clark? That might resolve the question who was the "star" on that team, not a miniscule difference in shooting %.
 
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14Red said:
I've said it many times, not hate at all. Just enlightening so many of you.
Mitchell puts the ball in the basket, she can get herself open and she can create.
Clark, to her credit, has seen she can't dominate like she did in college, she's crafted herself into a facilitator, good for her.
How many of Clark's assists is because of Mitchell?
A little better percentage? 5% is a mile in basketball my friend. And that's both in 2pt. FG and 3 pt. FG.
Just let Clark win her own battles, too many people just want to hand her accolades. She's a good player, isn't that enough?
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You take the player with the 5% better shooting percentage. OK. I'll take the player with double the rebounds, double the steals, triple the blocked shots, and quadruple the assists.

Your inability to acknowledge her greatness as a player, and her enormous benefit to the league in terms of TV ratings and attendance, is mystifying.

Literally everyone with a brain and at least one eye can see this. Your inability to see this is either:
1) Hate / Jealousy
2) Pure Ignorance

Pick one, I'm good with either.
 
wolves82 said:
You take the player with the 5% better shooting percentage. OK. I'll take the player with double the rebounds, double the steals, triple the blocked shots, and quadruple the assists.

Your inability to acknowledge her greatness as a player, and her enormous benefit to the league in terms of TV ratings and attendance, is mystifying.

Literally everyone with a brain and at least one eye can see this. Your inability to see this is either:
1) Hate / Jealousy
2) Pure Ignorance

Pick one, I'm good with either.
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Some of these stats you are hanging your hat on is due to the role on the team. Clark has the ball in her hands more than just about any other player in the league, so the assists are a given. Near the top of the league in minutes played. Basketball value is mostly granted to the people who score and shoot high percentages. You don't get points for assists, rebounds or steals.
 
14Red said:
Some of these stats you are hanging your hat on is due to the role on the team. Clark has the ball in her hands more than just about any other player in the league, so the assists are a given. Near the top of the league in minutes played. Basketball value is mostly granted to the people who score and shoot high percentages. You don't get points for assists, rebounds or steals.
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It is her role on the team to rebound, block shots and get steals? Seems like those are everyone's job. Mitchell should be doing those things as well, right? But Clark does them at double, triple and quadruple the rate. Are her minutes double that of Mitchell? Nope.

Why do you suppose she plays the most minutes and has the ball in her hands so much? Could it be that the coach knows who her best player is? Good lord it is like talking to a wall...

Also, you did not pick #1 or #2.
1 ) Hate Clark
2) Ignorant
please choose which applies to you.
 
I'll go for #2 for 14Red. I have a long memory and have been reading Yappi since its inception. Many years ago 14Red was notorious for his slurping of Pete Rose (hence his moniker on Yappi). He constantly posted that Pete was merely understood, never bet on baseball, and was unfairly blackballed from baseball. He admiration for that lying POS was nauseous. He was not merely ignorant, but willfully ignorant of all the info that contradicted his love for Rose. Now he's adapting that same attitude toward Clark despite all the stats and other evidence supporting the strength of Clark.
 
wolves82 said:
Why do you suppose she plays the most minutes and has the ball in her hands so much? Could it be that the coach knows who her best player is? Good lord it is like talking to a wall...

Also, you did not pick #1 or #2.
1 ) Hate Clark
2) Ignorant
please choose which applies to you.
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Do you really want an answer to that?

ESPN and other sports networks have hitched it's wagon to Caitlin Clark. She's going to play no matter how she's doing. Do you think the coach has any say so in her playing time? This is pro sports, and a league linked to the NBA.

I'll take choice #3. Neither.

It's amazing that you continue on this blind crusade. It's ok if Clark isn't the greatest women's player of all time, because she's far from it currently. I've never said she's not a good basketball player. I don't know why you need it to be 100% or 0%. This is straight out of the NBA marketing playbook. Remember a few years back Trae Young from Oklahoma and Lonzo Ball were highly marketed players coming out of college. Well it took a couple of years before we found out they were not the guys we thought they were going to be. I think you'll see in a few years that Clark will be a good solid WNBA player but she'll need a couple really good pieces around her to have any shot at winning anything.
 
14Red said:
Do you really want an answer to that?

ESPN and other sports networks have hitched it's wagon to Caitlin Clark. She's going to play no matter how she's doing. Do you think the coach has any say so in her playing time? This is pro sports, and a league linked to the NBA.

I'll take choice #3. Neither.

It's amazing that you continue on this blind crusade. It's ok if Clark isn't the greatest women's player of all time, because she's far from it currently. I've never said she's not a good basketball player. I don't know why you need it to be 100% or 0%. This is straight out of the NBA marketing playbook. Remember a few years back Trae Young from Oklahoma and Lonzo Ball were highly marketed players coming out of college. Well it took a couple of years before we found out they were not the guys we thought they were going to be. I think you'll see in a few years that Clark will be a good solid WNBA player but she'll need a couple really good pieces around her to have any shot at winning anything.
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I don’t think anyone is saying that she is the best player in the WNBA … but she is the most impactful one … she has brought more attention to the league than anyone one in league history … and it is not even close … throw in the fact that her rookie season is the best or nearly the best rookie season ever in the WNBA … and almost anyone with any kind of basketball knowledge can see where this is going … her impact on the WNBA is reminiscent of the impact that Bird/Magic and MJ had on the NBA … now to have sustained success and continue impact her team will need to do more than just make the playoffs … my bet is she and her team are only going to get better (most rookies do) … and saying she will need good pieces around her … duh … MJ, LeBron, Magic, Steph, Kobe … all needed good pieces with them to become champions!
 
14Red said:
Do you really want an answer to that?

ESPN and other sports networks have hitched it's wagon to Caitlin Clark. She's going to play no matter how she's doing. Do you think the coach has any say so in her playing time? This is pro sports, and a league linked to the NBA.

I'll take choice #3. Neither.

It's amazing that you continue on this blind crusade. It's ok if Clark isn't the greatest women's player of all time, because she's far from it currently. I've never said she's not a good basketball player. I don't know why you need it to be 100% or 0%. This is straight out of the NBA marketing playbook. Remember a few years back Trae Young from Oklahoma and Lonzo Ball were highly marketed players coming out of college. Well it took a couple of years before we found out they were not the guys we thought they were going to be. I think you'll see in a few years that Clark will be a good solid WNBA player but she'll need a couple really good pieces around her to have any shot at winning anything.
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You said she is not the best player on her team. I proved you wrong. Stop being thick.
 
She can finally get some well deserved rest. She had a good year if you ask me. Let's see how she does next year. I wonder if the ratings will drop off since the Fever are out of it.
 
wolves82 said:
You said she is not the best player on her team. I proved you wrong. Stop being thick.
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She's not, Kelsey Mitchell is the teams best player overall. BTW, through all this nonsense, what matchup do you think Clark gets every game? The other team's weakest player. Mitchell gets the better assignment because she's quicker and a better defender. Stop just looking at stats.

In last night's game, who took the shots down the stretch? Mitchell. Simply put, Clark cannot create her own shot in the halfcourt when necessary. She's great in transition in both passing and pulling up, but as we know in the playoffs games slow down and become half court games. Indy had a nice season and Clark was a big part of it. But let's not get too far ahead of ourselves.
 
joesports said:
I don’t think anyone is saying that she is the best player in the WNBA … but she is the most impactful one … she has brought more attention to the league than anyone one in league history … and it is not even close … throw in the fact that her rookie season is the best or nearly the best rookie season ever in the WNBA … and almost anyone with any kind of basketball knowledge can see where this is going … her impact on the WNBA is reminiscent of the impact that Bird/Magic and MJ had on the NBA … now to have sustained success and continue impact her team will need to do more than just make the playoffs … my bet is she and her team are only going to get better (most rookies do) … and saying she will need good pieces around her … duh … MJ, LeBron, Magic, Steph, Kobe … all needed good pieces with them to become champions!
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I think you need to go ask some Iowa / Indy Fever fans.

But I digress... Impactful yes, but alot, ALOT of that is due to marketing. She had a good season. Most WNBA players don't play much as rookies, the league is a very veteran league. So any "rookie" records and stats are misleading to a point. She played nearly every minute of every game, stats are going to come.

So let me ask you since you seem interested. As of now, is Clark closer to her ceiling, or is there room for improvement? I think there is some room for marginal improvement with experience, all players get better with that. But she's likely not going to get quicker, or more explosive, her ball handling is ok. My point is I think she's closer to her ceiling than people think. Now she's smart enough that she's turned herself from a scorer to a facilitator, and I see that more as her role moving forward.
 
14Red said:
I think you need to go ask some Iowa / Indy Fever fans.

But I digress... Impactful yes, but alot, ALOT of that is due to marketing. She had a good season. Most WNBA players don't play much as rookies, the league is a very veteran league. So any "rookie" records and stats are misleading to a point. She played nearly every minute of every game, stats are going to come.

So let me ask you since you seem interested. As of now, is Clark closer to her ceiling, or is there room for improvement? I think there is some room for marginal improvement with experience, all players get better with that. But she's likely not going to get quicker, or more explosive, her ball handling is ok. My point is I think she's closer to her ceiling than people think. Now she's smart enough that she's turned herself from a scorer to a facilitator, and I see that more as her role moving forward.
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Give it up and go have a beer
 
About once a year I re-learn my lesson. Talking to 14Red is like talking to a wall. Facts and logic just don't matter. I'm an idiot for trying.

I also learned that the "best overall player" on the Fever has the same scoring average, half the rebounds, 1/4 the assists, half the steals, and 1/3 the blocked shots as the "weakest" player. "overall" apparently just means "quickest" or something. Up is down. Black is white. What else might I learn from this genius?
 
wolves82 said:
About once a year I re-learn my lesson. Talking to 14Red is like talking to a wall. Facts and logic just don't matter. I'm an idiot for trying.

I also learned that the "best overall player" on the Fever has the same scoring average, half the rebounds, 1/4 the assists, half the steals, and 1/3 the blocked shots as the "weakest" player. "overall" apparently just means "quickest" or something. Up is down. Black is white. What else might I learn from this genius?
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Pete Rose is the greatest player in the history of baseball.
 
wolves82 said:
About once a year I re-learn my lesson. Talking to 14Red is like talking to a wall. Facts and logic just don't matter. I'm an idiot for trying.

I also learned that the "best overall player" on the Fever has the same scoring average, half the rebounds, 1/4 the assists, half the steals, and 1/3 the blocked shots as the "weakest" player. "overall" apparently just means "quickest" or something. Up is down. Black is white. What else might I learn from this genius?
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He said he would rather have the Reds roster over the Indians....
 
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