Is that really an upset? I mean it was a #9 #8 game.
Biggest Upsets Tonight?
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True, but I listened to players this week who were exited about their opportunity to play a #1 seed state power house last night.
Some guys I know officiated a game where the #15 seed beat a state ranked team, convincingly. I'll bet those kids are really disappointed to be playing another football game instead of taking the winter off.
No thanks.
Seems to work pretty good though.
Running clock blowouts are not really unusual in the state finals.
So yeah, people should get over it.
"Seed 1 went 28-0 - Seed 16 went 0-28
Seed 2 went 25-3 - Seed 15 went 3-25
Seed 3 went 25-3 - Seed 14 went 3-25
Seed 4 went 25-3 - Seed 13 went 3-25
Seed 5 went 22-6 - Seed 12 went 6-22
Seed 6 went 24-4 - Seed 11 went 4-24
Seed 7 went 20-8 - Seed 10 went 8-20
Seed 8 went 10-18 - Seed 9 went 18-10" Cmon eh
I thought the expansion from 4-8 was a mistake, but was proven wrong very quickly.
I think the 16 week season is too long. I would rather see more divisions with a 4, or 5, week tournament.
A lot of people prefer an expansion to 12 teams instead of 16. I would rather see 112 more teams have the opportunity to play than 112 teams get a bye
JMOBIPNW.
queencitybuckeye
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But the majority of kids in that situation that took loss number eight or more would come down on my side.
queencitybuckeye
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Yes they do. In the regular season, those who don't earn a postseason bid stay at home.
raising4daughters
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Shows that Harbins get the top 1-6 right, not so much after that.
reganaustinjames
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To borrow a phrase... "That's just like, your opinion, man."
ghsknightsfan
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according to this date you’d think 12 teams would be the perfect number.
Yeah this is the smoking gun that 16 teams are way too many and anybody who disagrees is basically just wanting to see their lil jimmy play in the playoffs lol.
RollingTrain
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Four huge Calvert turnoversI didn’t see Crestview putting up a 40 burger tonight.
queencitybuckeye
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One they didn't earn IMO. It shouldn't be for the bad or the mediocre.
Nothing wrong with that though.
reganaustinjames
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If you can't see the overall societal problem with that, then I can't help you.
This thinking is what is killing off the importance of everything
No team under 500 should be in the Playoffs. Heck my former HS beat a 9-1 team at 3-7 last night and i still believe they had no business there in the first place. 8 teams per region and I'd even say at max 12 is more than enough. 16 is ridiculous as no 16 seed team won.
The Dock
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A 3-7 beat a 4 seed QB’d by an Ohio State commit, last night, so it’s a good thing they didn’t ask you.
Still doesnt change the fact that 0 teams from the 16th seed won
That's just ignorant.
Nothing you say will convince me that playing football with your teammates and friends is a bad thing.
PeterDragon
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I would ask you what team these players play for but that would be none of my business. You just be on staff at BGHS.
Stirred not Shaken
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Agree with this but it is not going to change. No doubt some teams play soft schedules and have good records as a result but that does not mean 3 - 7 teams who play harder schedules should be in the playoffs. Again, to make it to state takes 16 games and not only the games themselves but practices also, lot of wear and tear on a HS body but again this (the playoffs) is about one thing and one thing only OHSAA greed.
Stirred not Shaken
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Don't disagree with you but if all the bad and mediocre teams were kept out of the playoffs you might have 10 - 12 teams in the playoffs per division esp. D-6, D -7 this year.
MahoningFan
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Do you believe that prior to 16-team playoff regions, the state champion was not proven to be the best team in the state?
eastisbest
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Ooooohhh, Aaaaahhhhh. Gee, you're right. They should have made the cut-off 13th seed. Dude, if you're going to make a troll account, at least be able to troll. More douche, less stank. smh
Stop being obtuse (or just stupid, whichever it is). The number regardless what it is, is arbitrary as to who is "best." ARBITRARY. They could make it 2 per region just to cause whine to pour out of headuptheazz types.
Athletics are organized around school function because their function is to school. To provide carrots for academic participation, for citizenship, for social skills. Any team feeling so overwhelmed by a possible opponent can opt out. The coaches will take care of "safety." If there was time, all-in would be just as fine an option. The ARBITRARY number of participants isn't chosen to make sure the "best" team gets in. It's simply a compromise to all-in, to avoid losing regular league or OOC games. And yes, more games means more revenue to run less attended programs in the schools. If the negatives out-weigh the positives, if teams are running open round games at a loss, the ones that matter, the participating schools will over-turn it.
For those whose singular goal is that the "best" get opportunity to play as many games as possible before the BEST wins it all? The number of lower seeds winning justifies the 16 to most people understanding chance vs. deterministic.
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eastisbest
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A mapping of upsets by region would probably confirm what most know. The larger geographically the region, the more upsets as there are fewer in-season games between those teams to allow Harbins to settle. As much as some do not want to buy into transitive logic, it is sound. If A beats B beats C it is more likely that A beats C. But if B never plays C as occurs in the larger geographical regions, the Harbins lose predictive value when A meets C in the first round of play-offs. Anecdotally: most in the NWO threads knew immediately that Findlay was in trouble, not based on Harbins but based on transitive thinking. Looking at what few games did occur between NWO and Central Ohio in-season and over the years, even if not one-step removed linking Findlay and Central Ohio, we knew. Findlay losing would not be an upset. It would be an "upset."
Unless OHSAA wants to considering districting, the high rate of upsets more than justifies 16 teams/region. There is more than one poster here would bet half a year's salary with 1:5 odds to predict upset.
If "fewest Harbins upsets" is the goal, would districting reduce upsets and allow the number of participants to reduce to 8/region?
Tracking upsets by geographical region and public vs. private would be instructive. There is meaning hidden there.
Noted most of the upsets were 9 going to meet 1.
NWO, the region with lowest population density in the higher divisions had the highest proportion of upsets by far: 9/24.
In the lower divisions, again NWO 8/32 and I think that's SEO 7/32.
Unless OHSAA wants to considering districting, the high rate of upsets more than justifies 16 teams/region. There is more than one poster here would bet half a year's salary with 1:5 odds to predict upset.
If "fewest Harbins upsets" is the goal, would districting reduce upsets and allow the number of participants to reduce to 8/region?
Tracking upsets by geographical region and public vs. private would be instructive. There is meaning hidden there.
Noted most of the upsets were 9 going to meet 1.
NWO, the region with lowest population density in the higher divisions had the highest proportion of upsets by far: 9/24.
In the lower divisions, again NWO 8/32 and I think that's SEO 7/32.
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