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[AllSports12]

I'll ask this in hopes of getting some officials to answer honestly. Those of you who officiate girls and boys HS basketball, do you officiate differently between girls and boys?

Open up a thread in the general boys or girls' forum........ It's not a topic for the Ask the Ref forum. I've answered this question honestly in years past on there.

 

[GoEaglesCvc]

I saw this at a game last night. It is tough to describe but I will try. A player was dribbling along the sideline in front of me trying to beat a defender. He was bumped out of bounds slightly (no foul call) but was in between dribbles and not touching the ball when that happened. The ball remained in bounds and went down the court. He reestablished himself in bounds and continued his dribble immediately. No one else touched the ball at any time. The ref ruled him out of bounds and said that he stepped on the line. Was this ruling correct? I know by 9-3-3 that he didn’t go out on his own volition. So there should be no issue with him being first to touch on reentry. My thinking is that was a legal play. Like I said it isn’t easy to describe so I will clarify if need be. Thanks

 

[CasualFan24]

I saw this at a game last night. It is tough to describe but I will try. A player was dribbling along the sideline in front of me trying to beat a defender. He was bumped out of bounds slightly (no foul call) but was in between dribbles and not touching the ball when that happened. The ball remained in bounds and went down the court. He reestablished himself in bounds and continued his dribble immediately. No one else touched the ball at any time. The ref ruled him out of bounds and said that he stepped on the line. Was this ruling correct? I know by 9-3-3 that he didn’t go out on his own volition. So there should be no issue with him being first to touch on reentry. My thinking is that was a legal play. Like I said it isn’t easy to describe so I will clarify if need be. Thanks

Based on what you saw, did he lose possession of the ball while dribbling or was he still in control of the ball?

 

[GoEaglesCvc]

Based on what you saw, did he lose possession of the ball while dribbling or was he still in control of the ball?

Great question. I would say that he lost posession.

 

[AllSports12]

Great question. I would say that he lost posession.

My guess is the official ruled that his dribble was not interrupted, therefore by rule he has committed a violation by touching a boundary line while in control of the ball. No way to tell without talking to the official.

 

[AllSports12]

All discussion regarding girls vs boys officiating should be had in the thread opened up in the basketball forum.

As predicted, the discussion was turning into a bash/blame officials on here. (it's starting to go that way on the other thread as well)

Thanks....
AS12

 

[SWOHHSfan]

In OH HS BB are referees from participating teams regions allowed to call teams games from their Region in Final 4?
Same question for Regional assignments?
EX: SW plays Central Region in a D1 Girls SF this year. Are Officials from those 2 Regions allowed to be assigned to call that game?

 

[AllSports12]

In OH HS BB are referees from participating teams regions allowed to call teams games from their Region in Final 4?
Same question for Regional assignments?
EX: SW plays Central Region in a D1 Girls SF this year. Are Officials from those 2 Regions allowed to be assigned to call that game?

It's not uncommon to have officials from the same region working the games.

 

[MCGal]

I know they used to try and have the crew not be from the area of the participating teams... but I'm guessing the gas/travel costs have made it so that's less of a thing nowadays.

 

[SWOHHSfan]

Any referees that can help? Posted on Women's BB Forum as well, but couldn't find ASK Ref option there.
Women's College BB.
Team A awarded 2 Free throws on Foul in 2nd H of game.
Post player on Team B voluntarily runs 94 ft to other end of floor/corner by bench to have lower leg taped/bandaged (officials did not direct her to).
Lead ref sees/notices this, No game stoppage.
Team A player makes 1st FT, Team B post still being bandaged once again no game stoppage.
1 of Team A guards notices and drifts back to top of key in case Team B is going to throw a long pass off FT make (possible deception by Team B).
Team A player misses 2nd FT and Team A garners Offensive RB.
Team A now has offensive possession with 5 on 4 situation, Team A guard that drifted back has made her way back into frontcourt.
Team B post player 94 ft away leg still being bandaged/looked at, notices Team A RB and begins to head back to defensive end.

Question? And more importantly is their a rule or just referee's discretion?

Should Team A
1) Be allowed to continue possession basically 5 on 4 (similar to injury situation, where whistle is usually blown once Team B gains possession or ball goes OB)?
OR
2) Should game be stopped immediately by referee's whistle and allow Team B to get all 5 players into defensive position and Team A retains ball Side OB?

Thanks for any clarification

 

[AllSports12]

Any referees that can help? Posted on Women's BB Forum as well, but couldn't find ASK Ref option there.
Women's College BB.
Team A awarded 2 Free throws on Foul in 2nd H of game.
Post player on Team B voluntarily runs 94 ft to other end of floor/corner by bench to have lower leg taped/bandaged (officials did not direct her to).
Lead ref sees/notices this, No game stoppage.
Team A player makes 1st FT, Team B post still being bandaged once again no game stoppage.
1 of Team A guards notices and drifts back to top of key in case Team B is going to throw a long pass off FT make (possible deception by Team B).
Team A player misses 2nd FT and Team A garners Offensive RB.
Team A now has offensive possession with 5 on 4 situation, Team A guard that drifted back has made her way back into frontcourt.
Team B post player 94 ft away leg still being bandaged/looked at, notices Team A RB and begins to head back to defensive end.

Question? And more importantly is their a rule or just referee's discretion?

Should Team A
1) Be allowed to continue possession basically 5 on 4 (similar to injury situation, where whistle is usually blown once Team B gains possession or ball goes OB)?
OR
2) Should game be stopped immediately by referee's whistle and allow Team B to get all 5 players into defensive position and Team A retains ball Side OB?

Thanks for any clarification

There are rules in place that address situations such as these, however absent knowing the reason what the player was being attended to, it's impossible to say whether or not what happened was kosher.

An educated guess is they were changing a bandage that was not blood related and the official felt that no stoppage in play was necessary. It sounds like this was not done as an effort to feign a substitution and furthermore, Team A had a player in the vicinity to watch this.

If B put themselves in a position to play shorthanded, that's on them.

Without knowing all the fact, we are only guessing.

 

[SWOHHSfan]

Is their a difference in possession if a double technical or double intentional foul is called?
Scenario in game last night

Team A shooting 2 FTs
After 2nd FT is made by Team A, Team B calls Time out. Would obviously be Team B ball OB.
1 Player each from Team A and Team B get into a locked arm/holding situation after 2nd FT walking away from FT line toward sideline

Initially Double technical is called, Team B awarded ball as expected, no FTs awarded
Then
Changed to Double intentional fouls, Team B awarded ball as expected, no FTs awarded

Always confused by whose possession after Double anything, when no FTs are awarded.

Question:
Is either call (double tech or double intentional) followed by a "jump ball"/possession to whoever has arrow pointing their way?
Or is it always whoever possession it was going to be?
Almost as if nothing was called and play on?

Thanks for any clarification.

 

[AllSports12]

Is their a difference in possession if a double technical or double intentional foul is called?
Scenario in game last night

Team A shooting 2 FTs
After 2nd FT is made by Team A, Team B calls Time out. Would obviously be Team B ball OB.
1 Player each from Team A and Team B get into a locked arm/holding situation after 2nd FT walking away from FT line toward sideline

Initially Double technical is called, Team B awarded ball as expected, no FTs awarded
Then
Changed to Double intentional fouls, Team B awarded ball as expected, no FTs awarded

Always confused by whose possession after Double anything, when no FTs are awarded.

Question:
Is either call (double tech or double intentional) followed by a "jump ball"/possession to whoever has arrow pointing their way?
Or is it always whoever possession it was going to be?
Almost as if nothing was called and play on?

Thanks for any clarification.

Let's first talk about the fouls...

Since the ball was dead, the fouls are defined as Technical Fouls. (these can be intentional in nature, but that doesn't change the classification). Taking it a step further, since the fouls were committed at the same time (or approximately the same time) this is a Double Technical Foul.

Now, let's talk about resumption of play.....

Because we do not shoot free throws for double fouls of any sort and B was entitled to a throw-in after the time out....

Play is resumed after the time out with a throw-in by B from anywhere along the end line. (in other words B can run the end-line)