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[CasualFan24]

When the second horn sounds, we are in the huddle using our voice to let them know the "time out is over, we are ready to play"...... if that doesn't work, then we tell them again..... if that doesn't work, we them we are starting without them, either by advising that we will put the ball on the floor or will give it to the other team.

Assistant coaches are vital in this process. We (crews I work with) will idenitfy one assistant from each team before the game and tell them, "your responsibility tonight is to get your team out of the huddle"

Utilizing the game management techniques noted above have allowed me to get through 4+ decades of officiating basketball rarely using the resumption of play procedure.

Last time was last year....... we put the ball down 17 seconds after the second horn sounded. Team A was still sitting on their bench.

If that makes the three of us working that game bad officials..... so be it.

What would you do if there was significant delays?

I just feel that it is preventable. The official that was responsible for alerting that team of the first horn, should (as Allsports said) be there at the huddle telling them they need to come out of the timeout RIGHT NOW. Then once the team disburses, a conversation with the head coach about this is the last time you're going to be late coming out of the timeout - and issue the threat of starting play without them the next time it happens. Obviously if this is continued to be ignored then yes, you can take drastic measures like putting the ball down and starting the count.

I kind of think of it this way - what would OHSAA or any observer say to you in the locker room if you did or called "x" during a district, regional or state playoff game? This is one of those things - an observer is going to eat you alive in the locker room for putting the ball down and starting a count during a game like that - and there is no reason to treat a regular season game any differently IMO. Now on the flip side, observers will also get on you if you're not getting the teams out of the huddles quick enough too....but I think the consequences of that are less than that of putting the ball down and counting....

In this situation - is it within the rule for an official to issue a delay of game warning?

 

[AllSports12]

I just feel that it is preventable. The official that was responsible for alerting that team of the first horn, should (as Allsports said) be there at the huddle telling them they need to come out of the timeout RIGHT NOW. Then once the team disburses, a conversation with the head coach about this is the last time you're going to be late coming out of the timeout - and issue the threat of starting play without them the next time it happens. Obviously if this is continued to be ignored then yes, you can take drastic measures like putting the ball down and starting the count.

I kind of think of it this way - what would OHSAA or any observer say to you in the locker room if you did or called "x" during a district, regional or state playoff game? This is one of those things - an observer is going to eat you alive in the locker room for putting the ball down and starting a count during a game like that - and there is no reason to treat a regular season game any differently IMO. Now on the flip side, observers will also get on you if you're not getting the teams out of the huddles quick enough too....but I think the consequences of that are less than that of putting the ball down and counting....

- Preventable the vast majority of the time. This is a rare occurrence, so the officials must be doing something right.

- As far as District, Regional, and State games...... If the situation warrants it, then it warrants it. (you played both sides of the fence with the observers )

In this situation - is it within the rule for an official to issue a delay of game warning?

No !! This does not meet the criteria set forth by the rules to issue a delay of game warning.

The resumption of play procedure has the penalties built in.....

- If against the throwing team, they face a throw-in violation or may turn the ball over due to a hurried return to the court resulting in an intercepted pass and/or and easy bucket for the opponent.

- If against the opponent of the throwing team, an unrestricted throw-in and potential uncontested bucket.

- Technical fouls if either team doesn't get the message and repeats their delay actions

 

[CasualFan24]

- Preventable the vast majority of the time. This is a rare occurrence, so the officials must be doing something right.

- As far as District, Regional, and State games...... If the situation warrants it, then it warrants it. (you played both sides of the fence with the observers )

No !! This does not meet the criteria set forth by the rules to issue a delay of game warning.

The resumption of play procedure has the penalties built in.....

- If against the throwing team, they face a throw-in violation or may turn the ball over due to a hurried return to the court resulting in an intercepted pass and/or and easy bucket for the opponent.

- If against the opponent of the throwing team, an unrestricted throw-in and potential uncontested bucket.

- Technical fouls if either team doesn't get the message and repeats their delay actions

What always got me with this rule - is there is a really simple solution to this that isn't part of the rule. If a coach doesn't get out on the 2nd whistle, hit them with another charged timeout. I know that's not the rule, but wouldn't it solve a lot of the issue? I bet coaches will make sure they get out on time for fear of losing a valuable timeout! If they're out of timeouts, technical. Would cure a lot of headaches!

 

[AllSports12]

What always got me with this rule - is there is a really simple solution to this that isn't part of the rule. If a coach doesn't get out on the 2nd whistle, hit them with another charged timeout. I know that's not the rule, but wouldn't it solve a lot of the issue? I bet coaches will make sure they get out on time for fear of losing a valuable timeout! If they're out of timeouts, technical. Would cure a lot of headaches!

Your desired response is already the result of the rule.

In the less than two handfulls of occasions I have seen the respumption of play procedure implemented, I have yet to see the delaying team not frantically rushing onto the court when they hear that whistle blown and the ball either being placed on the floor or handed to their opponent for an uncontested throw-in. I also have never seen an offending team not get out of the huddle on time after every subsequent time out interval.

 

[Smarty2022]

What always got me with this rule - is there is a really simple solution to this that isn't part of the rule. If a coach doesn't get out on the 2nd whistle, hit them with another charged timeout. I know that's not the rule, but wouldn't it solve a lot of the issue? I bet coaches will make sure they get out on time for fear of losing a valuable timeout! If they're out of timeouts, technical. Would cure a lot of headaches!

Just making up Rules would cure a lot of headaches? I’d think that lead to more headaches!! Folks are going to get fired up quickly as soon as someone just starts making sh it up!!

 

[CasualFan24]

Just making up Rules would cure a lot of headaches? I’d think that lead to more headaches!! Folks are going to get fired up quickly as soon as someone just starts making sh it up!!

I'm not stating to just make it as we go - I'm suggesting a rule change boss. How many years you been putting on the stripes?

 

[AllSports12]

I'm not stating to just make it as we go - I'm suggesting a rule change boss.

Submit the recommendation to the DOD. Don't look for it to go anywhere, because it's not a problem.

 

[TriangleMan]

Thought this would've been asked already but couldn't find it anywhere. Saw a lot of yes/no on Facebook talking about NCAA rules and a gather step allowance.

This past Sunday, did Caitlin Clark travel on this game winning shot?

Caitlin Clark nails sensational buzzer-beater 3 for Iowa win - ESPN Video

Caitlin Clark comes up big for Iowa with a clutch, buzzer-beating 3-pointer for Iowa.

www.espn.com

 

[AllSports12]

Thought this would've been asked already but couldn't find it anywhere. Saw a lot of yes/no on Facebook talking about NCAA rules and a gather step allowance.

This past Sunday, did Caitlin Clark travel on this game winning shot?

Caitlin Clark nails sensational buzzer-beater 3 for Iowa win - ESPN Video

Caitlin Clark comes up big for Iowa with a clutch, buzzer-beating 3-pointer for Iowa.

www.espn.com

Gather Step is an NBA rule.

From the NCAA Women's Rule Book..... Rule 9-5 - Traveling (parts pertinent to this play are bolded)

Art. 4. A player who catches the ball while moving or ends a dribble may stop and establish a pivot foot as follows:
a. When both feet are off the playing court and the player lands:
1. Simultaneously on both feet, either may be the pivot foot;
2. On one foot followed by the other, the first foot to touch shall be the pivot foot;
3. On one foot, the player may jump off that foot and simultaneously land on both, in which case neither foot can be the pivot foot.

Art 5. After coming to a stop and establishing the pivot foot:
a. The pivot foot may be lifted, but not returned to the playing court, before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal;
b. The pivot foot shall not be lifted before the ball is released to start a dribble.

She caught the ball with both feet off the court. Her right foot returned to the floor followed by her left foot. This established her right foot as the pivot foot. She legally picked that foot off the floor, but returned it to the floor before the ball was released on the try for goal.....

This was a travel