JAVMAN83
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Fry's 4:08.03 / 8:49.40 1600m/3200m at '85 State is the best double in Ohio history for that combo. I can see that from the data. I'm going to review McAfee's vs. others to see where it stands.
All-Time Lists Update - UPDATED 4 November - Boys' 4x1,2,4,8 added
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JAVMAN83
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Boys' All-Time 1600m/Mile & 3200m/2-Miles - Top 50
Top 50 cut-off marks:
1600m - Performers - 4:11.1 MT (Updated) / Performances - 4:09.98 or better (converted marks included, but not ranked)
3200m - Performers - 9:07.54 (was 9:08.53) / Performances - 9:03.07 or better (converted marks included, but not ranked).
As always, community input is welcomed!
Top 50 cut-off marks:
1600m - Performers - 4:11.1 MT (Updated) / Performances - 4:09.98 or better (converted marks included, but not ranked)
3200m - Performers - 9:07.54 (was 9:08.53) / Performances - 9:03.07 or better (converted marks included, but not ranked).
As always, community input is welcomed!
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KingHorn419
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The 1600m list has Chad Johnson listed as Dayton Colonel Crawford instead of North Robinson Colonel Crawford
JAVMAN83
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Correction made. Thank you.
JAVMAN83
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In re-reviewing, I did have that on my list under hidden performances not shown. The mistake I made was in listing 3200m performances beyond the top 50. I've corrected that as the #50 performance is at 9:03.07.
Thank you.
Are you including all performances under the 4:11.23 cut-off? Same for 3200m - I hope my question makes sense.
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JAVMAN83
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No, the top 50 performances & performers. The performers cut-off was 4:11.23. I apologize for not being more clear.
JAVMAN83
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Thank you. I missed Hall's 4:09.45 which is in the top 50 performace list. Blank's 4:10.86 falls outside the top 50 performances, but I did miss his later 4:09.15 mile at NBNO's in '14. I've included that now.
JAVMAN83
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Files have been updated. Keep additions/corrections coming if you spot them. Thanks again!
Here are clarified cut-offs:
Top 50 cut-off marks:
1600m - Performers - 4:11.1 MT (Updated) / Performances - 4:09.98 or better (converted marks included, but not ranked)
3200m - Performers - 9:07.54 (was 9:08.53) / Performances - 9:03.07 or better (converted marks included, but not ranked).
Here are clarified cut-offs:
Top 50 cut-off marks:
1600m - Performers - 4:11.1 MT (Updated) / Performances - 4:09.98 or better (converted marks included, but not ranked)
3200m - Performers - 9:07.54 (was 9:08.53) / Performances - 9:03.07 or better (converted marks included, but not ranked).
JAVMAN83
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During '24-'25, my goal is to add to the list of events I've already been building lists for, but a lot more research is needed still. The immediate priority, though, after the outdoor lists are finalizing the top-30 indoor lists for boys & girls.
'24 projects
'24 projects
- Indoor Top 30 lists
- Outdoor lists including javelin & multi-events updated
- All-yards lists initial release
- State Meet Results 1908-20 completed
Ignore this if my interpretation/understanding is incorrect.
4:08.21, Jacob Dumford, state, 2013, 1st
4:08.38, Dustin Horter, state, 2017, 1st
4:06.96, Dustin Horter, state, 2018, 1st
4:07.70, Ryan Chevalier, state, 2022, 1st
4:09.46, Connor Ackley, regional, 2023, 1st
JAVMAN83
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Thank you! The file has been updated save for Ackley's 4:09.46. That was already listed.
Keep em coming folks!
JAVMAN83
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Here is the schedule of the 1966 state meet for the portion between the mile & 880 with start times. I suspect this was the same for the '69 state meet given no event changes took place.
2:30pm - Mile Run - Class A & Class AA
2:45pm - 880yd Relay - Class A & Class AA
3:00pm - 440yd - Class A & Class AA
3:15pm - 180ydLH - Class A & Class AA
3:30pm - 880yd - Class A & Class AA
So, given that information, it appears McAfee had an approx. 1 hour recovery between events.
I still haven't found a better Mile/880 or 16/8 double yet.
CC Track Fan
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These lists do not put distance running in NW Ohio in a very good light. If I counted correctly there were 4 boys from NW Ohio in total between both 1600 and 3200.
Lancermania
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I looked in my 1969 program and that is the same time schedule. Btw, the Official Program costs 25 cents in 1969. McAfee was 6.5 seconds ahead of second place finisher Stapleton of Mentor in the mile
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JAVMAN83
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Glad to see you here again, Lancermania! Hadn't heard from you in awhile. Stapleton, I believe later of UC Bearcasts fame, moved to #2 all-time (at the time) with his 4:15.0 behind McAfee. It was an incredible race.
JAVMAN83
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It certainly isn't any intent on my part to put anyone or any region in any negative light. I hope it isn't taken that way. I'm sure the NW excels in other areas. Minster at the D3 level is a stone-cold killer program.
Toledo Central, later Toledo Scott, has been a major powerhouse for much of it's 100+ year program.
Lancermania
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McAfee ran 4:13.9 at the regional in 1969 which was his state qualifying time.
CC Track Fan
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I certainly didn't take it that way. It is just what the fact are of that area of the state in these two events and was a bit of a surprise to me. Thank goodness for Fry so there is some representation.
JAVMAN83
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Fry was a one-man team.
So was Zishka, who has the best two-day triple I've seen yet: 8:49.9 (3200 on Friday), then 4:10.3 (1600), 1:53.5 (800 - 2nd) at the '80 Bellaire Relays.
JAVMAN83
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Yes indeed. His 4:13.9 / 1:54.4 runs at the '69 Class AA regional at Welcome Stadium was a nice warm-up for his assault at state. On cinder, too, from my information.
Newton's Third
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Zishka was very far from a one man team. They had 5-6 under 1:57 and a dozen or more under 2:00 and something like 8-10 under 4:35. They also had nearly every event with decent coverage. They came very close to scoring a perfect score in the '80 SE district. Also, unless Bellaire changed the format in '80, '79 and prior had those events (3200/2mile morning, 1600/mile, 800/880) all on the same day.
CC Track Fan, the NW like the SE sport very low populations compared to the central, NE, and SW. Some of their underrepresentation is just numbers.
JAVMAN83
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I'm aware of how strong Lancaster was in that period. My comment was not meant a slight in any context, only that Zishka was so good that his average performances were more than adequate to decimate most team's best runners. One of my former teammates competed with Zishka at Lancaster on their distance team, and I knew how good he was.
Thank you for the clarification on Bellaire's schedule. I misinterpreted a newspaper article's intent when it mentioned Zishka "coming back to win the 1600m" after the 3200m. I had no idea they changed up the normal schedule like that and assumed the 3200m had been run on Friday evening.
Newton's Third
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Due to all your posts, I know that you know the sport well, and likely meant what you explained above.
Off topic, but I was using the context to pontificate about just how strong Lancaster was at that time. '77-78 was my first year coaching in Ohio and they were in our league. I was shell-shocked wondering if that level of performances across the board was normal in Ohio. 3-4 throwers over 55', many 13'+ pv, 4-5 under 1:55, 6'10" hj, 23'+ lj low 14 hh,..... They were loaded for sure.
CC Track Fan
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It certainly is smaller than the big 3 areas but nothing like the SE. Greater Toledo has sizable population and Zak Kirk (Maumee) is the only one on either list from that area. The other 3 on the list are more on the edges of the NW region. Having three on the list from the smaller towns in NW is good representation the issue is greater Toledo has fell short of producing high end distance runners.
JAVMAN83
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Definitely NOT the norm in Ohio. More like a California/Texas/Florida team with that kind of firepower.
Newton's Third
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Is Todd Black from NW Ohio or just coach there?
I remember Hallbrin upsetting Zishka in the mile in '80, Haley from Lancaster winning in '81 in 4:11-4:12 but didn't Monske (DeVilbiss?) win in '82? If my memory is correct, he is a Toledo city guy addition.